As posted elsewhere here is where I'm at on my model so far...


Here is a screen capture for comparison.


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Ok... working from the top down the very next part I need to model is tricky. I believe on the blue recognizer that Flynn flys this part has a different shape then that seen in the very first picture in this thread. In fact I think there are several different versions of this part seen in the film.

Lets call the shape seen in the first picture above shape 1.

Here is a screen cap which shows this shape DID appear in the film.


Here is the shape I'll call shape 2.


Note the cut out at the back of the shoulders (circled in green) is no longer vertical but sloped to match the inner back shape. Here is a screen capture that shows this shape from the movie.


Flynn's recognizer doesn't have this cut out at all. I'll call that shape 3. Here is a screen capture that clearly shows that cut out is missing.


However that's NOT the only difference between Flynn's recognizer and the recognizer seen in the second image of this post. Note the blue circled area in the second image in this post, it is vertical. On Flynn's its sloped to match the front of the chest. You can see that if you look close at the image just above. You'll also notice from a front view its missing the line circled in green here:


and has the extra lines which I've made red on one side seen here:


Here is the best screen cap I could find that shows the chest slopes up to the top of the 'slab' that extends out past the extent of the chest. Lets call this slab the shoulder. And yet the leading edge of the shoulder is vertical and NOT sloped to match the chest.


Carl

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Ok... so I've now shown 3 different shapes for the shoulders of the recognizers seen in the film. Is that it? No, here is a forth shape.


Here the chest doesn't slope up to the top of the leading edge of the shoulders. It actually slopes up to some point behind this and as a result there is now a cut out similiar to what is seen on the back of the recognizer. There is also something very odd going on with the triangles on either side of the chin.

So by my count that is atleast 4 different models being used as a recognizer in the film. Does it make sense to ask which is the "most" correct?

Opinions?

Carl

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Hi Carl!

Very good observations you did there!
Just found that my reco is missing the cutout
on that platform under the "head" yesterday,
and now im reading your thread here

Your reco-head looks really great so far!

Have you checked the "cockpit" when Flynn and
Ram enter the reco? Locks different from the
other models again....

I grabbed some frames from the dvd yesterday
to get some refs for Flynns reco.
Guess what? They used 2 or 3 different models for that version too.
Ill go thru them and post my findings later.

Dirk

Hi Carl!

I found 3 versions of Flynns Recogniser:

First is the one he starts with.
The second has the damage on the other leg and the cube
on the left side missing and the broken leg looks different.
The third is like the first, but the cut at the inside of the
broken leg looks different.

Then i got that cockpit-shot of the reco.
Dunno where to place it on the reco, if you see the upper part of it.
I guess the didnt thought about anyone could examine it frame by frame

Dirk

Cueball Wrote:Hi Carl! I found 3 versions of Flynns Recogniser: First is the one he starts with. The second has the damage on the other leg and the cube on the left side missing and the broken leg looks different. The third is like the first, but the cut at the inside of the broken leg looks different.

Interesting stuff... Seeing as how all this had to be modeled and rendered I really don't understand why all these different models were made. It's almost like they had a team of animators and each was responsible for x-number of frames. If two animaotors needed a recognizer model instead of sharing it looks like they made their own. I'm probably wrong but that's almost what it looks like to me. If they were using the same model it should be simplier to get all the shapes consistent then it would be to end up like this.

Cueball Wrote: Then i got that cockpit-shot of the reco. Dunno where to place it on the reco, if you see the upper part of it. I guess the didnt thought about anyone could examine it frame by frame

WOW!!! I see what you mean. You know... it looks like that is on the side of the head to me and not the front. Just looking at its shape I'd think the eyes/windshield should be on the surface pointing away from the camera indicated by the red arrow.


I know that can't be right though as I can see the joy stick Flynn uses to fly the recognizer there in the middle of the window. If makes no sense to have that there on the side of the head. Is one to fly a recognizer while looking through the ear cut out?

Carl

Wow - amazing attention to detail!

I never noticed all the differences in the recognizer models used in the film. Every film has continuity errors, but you don't generally notice them until you really look closely at things. And I'm surprised that the recognizer model itself has so many subtle differences from scene to scene.

I'm guessing it is a result of the computer animators not being able to see the finished renderings until they were screened - long after they were plotted, frame-by-frame, and rendered one frame at a time for transfer to film. Remember - these guys had no rough animation to review before rendering the final version. It was plot, plot, plot, render for film, and there it is. If something was messed up to the point of it being unusable, it was redone. Otherwise, it stayed in the film.

Very interesting though - how (what we all thought was) a single model, was rendered so many different ways.

And the broken reco issues I'm sure were nothing more than lack of communication between renderings - typical continuity errors.

I can't wait to see you finished recognizer, Carl!

persoanlly i im not a die hard purist to that level of detail would I star developing 3d models I woud try to improve on the original design if it was astehtically pleasing..

I love the reco's but i never liked the faces as the look almost cartoony ape like... this would be the area I would tweak the most

Wow, I had no idea there were so many inconsistencies in the models. Especially the Recognizers. It's amazing how you guys spot these things.

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