Yeah, that's a way better idea. Any line of that sort that makes it a bit clearer is all I'm saying. I think he was just fizzling into energy, though. You'll notice that Clu was derezzed in a similar fashion during his brief torture scene at the beginning of the original movie... I think that's just him derezzing, not his energy transferring into the energy drainer

LWSrocks2 Wrote:Yeah, that's a way better idea. Any line of that sort that makes it a bit clearer is all I'm saying. I think he was just fizzling into energy, though. You'll notice that Clu was derezzed in a similar fashion during his brief torture scene at the beginning of the original movie... I think that's just him derezzing, not his energy transferring into the energy drainer

oops i forgot
clu's death was very different from ram's death

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html The feet sockets really let loose, and Clu SCREAMS in agony, but doesn't speak. Suddenly his body appears to dissolve into the broken pattern of a fading television picture and disintegrates into electric static.

even tho this may be from a draft - the intentions of the writers are clear:
they died in different ways.

it's even visually different

That was the fourth draft script, Rimwall. They might have intended for him to be "sacrificing himself" or "supplying energy to the reco" but that was obviously changed in the final draft.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill

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Well, you know... perhaps your right.

Kat Wrote: rimwall Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote:I just watched this piece on youtube, and it just seems like it's yes, a slow de-rezz ,as opposed to us watching Tron smash programs with his disk. There doesn't seem to be any need to energize the Recognizer, since it was running just fine moments before. I just think it was a slow death of a program, which may or may not send it's last dying energy into whatever its touching. right. a couple of more words from ram and they could have depicted it explicitly as a self-sacrifice scene, instead of something ambiguous. now that you mention it - it does seem weird to minimize the significance of ram's sacrifice. Well, he doesn't have to be doing it on purpose, right? If energy isn't created or destroyed, then it has to go somewhere, right?

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Kat Wrote:Well, he doesn't have to be doing it on purpose, right? If energy isn't created or destroyed, then it has to go somewhere, right?

If it's meant to be a sacrifice, they really shoulda done something more with it.

The Reco could've needed more power to reach the tower or something.

And it's hard to call it a sacrifice if it just happens by accident. That'd be like saying I sacrificed myself for a tree because after I became dirt, a tree grew in the nutrients.

Kat Wrote:Perhaps the novel was based on an earlier script. Perhaps the novel was based on the novelization writer's interpretation of the scene. I still want to know if the people who write novelizations just...do, or do the writers of the actual movie make sure that what is written in the novelization is what they actually intended characters to be thinking/feeling/doing. I'm sure any of us could write a novelization of either movie that interprets a lot of the scenes in different ways.

you're probably right about the novel being based on the scripts.
the draft script also describes it as energy transfer.
i suppose as long as the novel follows the the main storyline
then it's considered ok.

programs manipulating energy (in the novel) is just trivial *shrugs*

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 308 SHOT OF THEM BOTH 308 He extends his own hand to touch hers, palm to palm. As contact is made, a rich glow appears between the two hands, strengthening as we watch. A look of wonder crosses her face as the energy flows into her. She turns, entwining her fingers in Tron's. GIRL TRON!! She throws her arms around him...

the deleted love scene between tron and yori describes her transformation
as also involving absorbing energy

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 315 HIS POV 315 With her hand still on the wall panel, she is glowing absorbing extra energy, changing. The severe work clothes metamorphosize into shimmering, diaphanous drapery, twinkling with thousands of diamond-like points of light. A silvery tinkling SOUND comes from her robes as she moves forward; her beautiful face, now surrounded by a soft mane of hair, glows with pleasure at the expression in Tron's face. She smiles lovingly, and reaches out her hand.

so scenes showing programs that can manipulate energy
have either been downplayed or removed.

we can only suppose that later on they decided that flynn should be
the only energy manipulator.

rimwall Wrote: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 308 SHOT OF THEM BOTH 308 He extends his own hand to touch hers, palm to palm. As contact is made, a rich glow appears between the two hands, strengthening as we watch. A look of wonder crosses her face as the energy flows into her. She turns, entwining her fingers in Tron's. GIRL TRON!! She throws her arms around him... the deleted love scene between tron and yori describes her transformation as also involving absorbing energy http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 315 HIS POV 315 With her hand still on the wall panel, she is glowing absorbing extra energy, changing. The severe work clothes metamorphosize into shimmering, diaphanous drapery, twinkling with thousands of diamond-like points of light. A silvery tinkling SOUND comes from her robes as she moves forward; her beautiful face, now surrounded by a soft mane of hair, glows with pleasure at the expression in Tron's face. She smiles lovingly, and reaches out her hand. so scenes showing programs that can manipulate energy have either been downplayed or removed. we can only suppose that later on they decided that flynn should be the only energy manipulator.

I always sort of assumed sex between programs would involve an energy transfer at, um, certain junctures of the act...on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

Pilgrim1099 Wrote: Kat Wrote:I always sort of assumed sex between programs would involve an energy transfer at, um, certain junctures of the act... Kinda like the film Cocoon in the pool scene? lol. Still, this is a great discussion thread! Keep it up! I'm sure that most programs, even Flynn can will their energy, although it appears the programs are more conservative or limited in that capacity, similar to currency while Flynn, now in "God" mode, has an abundance.

Dunno...never saw that movie.

In my fic, I'd assumed only users could consciously move energy around from one entity to another (there's actually a few paragraphs where Sam's demonstrating to my OC. Energy loss, as it turns out, makes you colder and sort of depressed/thick; gaining energy makes you warmer, more cheerful, more with-it--logical really). Though as it turns out, my OC's weird user power seems to be that she can especially manipulate energy--she can give or take it without touching someone else (whereas everyone else has to actually be touching the user or program they're transferring energy with), and she and her program lover can willfully transfer energy back and forth between each other even though they can't with anyone else.

I always figured it doesn't make much sense if just anyone can transfer energy--otherwise, wouldn't all fights just end with whoever can take the other's energy faster? Why get out your disc at all--just drain your opponent, right? It actually makes a problem in my story, because how does the OC ever get into any scrapes if all she has to do is drain energy from whoever she's in a fight with until they're too weak to fight back?