Kat Wrote: rimwall Wrote: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 308 SHOT OF THEM BOTH 308 He extends his own hand to touch hers, palm to palm. As contact is made, a rich glow appears between the two hands, strengthening as we watch. A look of wonder crosses her face as the energy flows into her. She turns, entwining her fingers in Tron's. GIRL TRON!! She throws her arms around him... the deleted love scene between tron and yori describes her transformation as also involving absorbing energy http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/TRON.html 315 HIS POV 315 With her hand still on the wall panel, she is glowing absorbing extra energy, changing. The severe work clothes metamorphosize into shimmering, diaphanous drapery, twinkling with thousands of diamond-like points of light. A silvery tinkling SOUND comes from her robes as she moves forward; her beautiful face, now surrounded by a soft mane of hair, glows with pleasure at the expression in Tron's face. She smiles lovingly, and reaches out her hand. so scenes showing programs that can manipulate energy have either been downplayed or removed. we can only suppose that later on they decided that flynn should be the only energy manipulator. I always sort of assumed sex between programs would involve an energy transfer at, um, certain junctures of the act...

it seems according to the draft script *energy transfer*
can be achieved using their own hands.

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Kat Wrote:I always sort of assumed sex between programs would involve an energy transfer at, um, certain junctures of the act...

I always thought the very notion of programs having sex like humans do is rather silly, no offense. There's no basis for it. Programs are not physical, biological beings and do not function as humans do. They don't have flesh and blood like a human does, they don't eat or drink (they take in energy in a simulation of human food and drink if they choose but they can also intake it in pure form and either way they don't excrete), they don't sweat, they don't have cells or body fluids and tissues of any sort, they are patterns of energy and information.

Look at the slow derez of Clu in the gif image in this thread. We see a program viscerally disassembled, layer by layer, first it's "clothing" and then it's "skin" and then it's "flesh" until the deepest layers are revealed, just patterns of moving data and energy. It's actually quite gruesome if you realize that's actually his body we see deconstructed piece by piece.

"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter" is a fact for programs. There is no reason they would or should have genitals or an excretory system as they are not made of meat and fluids like we are. There's no reason whatsoever to expect them to replicate a biological process like sex. A user could always modify one or more programs to accurately simulate the human sexual process in order to enable human sexuality in them, but barring that there's no reason whatsoever to expect they could or would do so in their basic unmodified state.

A congress between two (or maybe more, who knows) programs wouldn't be a physical act of physical insertion and liquid injection and whatnot. There's no reason it would be. Instead, it would logically be more like an I/O connection, an exchange of data and energy that most likely would also involve the transmission and perhaps even to some degree the merging of thoughts and emotions and a synthesis of consciousness. It would be more like what we'd imagine an intimate contact between telepaths would be rather than anything like physical human sex. It might not even require proximity, let alone direct contact. It would be more like opening an instant messaging window than anything we as humans would consider sexual.

Yori's reaction to the kiss from Flynn was appropriate. It was something she had never even considered, it had never occurred to her to use her "lips" with those of another being, such a use was completely novel to her. If we can consider the deleted "love scene" canon, we can be sure that whatever Yori planned to do with Tron in her chambers it wouldn't remotely resemble sex as we know it.

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Tron showed us that programs (in this world) can form friendships, so why not pair bonds, even if human-like sex is not an issue. When Flynn told Tron that Ram didn't make it, he showed true sadness, although it was for a second, then he went on to another directive, introducing Flynn to Yori. Yori liked and respected Dumont too. We didn't get to see too many others, and not much of the T:L world relationships. But it has to be there.

If programs are simulations of their Users, then why not form gender based relationships. Makes me wonder if two involved gay software engineers created related programs, would they reflect their gender as gay-like?where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Kat Wrote:Right, but if we're going from the purely biological viewpoint, then there is no reason for them to form pair bonds at all, let alone heterosexual pair bonds, because there is no procreation. In the EOL Club in T:L, though, there's definitely something going on.

IluthraDanar Wrote:Tron showed us that programs (in this world) can form friendships, so why not pair bonds, even if human-like sex is not an issue. When Flynn told Tron that Ram didn't make it, he showed true sadness, although it was for a second, then he went on to another directive, introducing Flynn to Yori. Yori liked and respected Dumont too. We didn't get to see to many others, and not much of the T:L world relationships. But it has ot be there. If programs are simulations of their Users, then why not form gender based relationships. Makes me wonder if two involved gay soltware engineers created related programs, would they reflect their gender as gay-like?

I think IlluthraDanar is on the right track here. We know that Programs, to a certain degree at least, are mirror images of their programmers. This, to the degree that pair-bonding exists it's certainly a residual echo of human behavior. That still doesn't mean it would be a physical process, like everything else Programs do it would be a uniquely electronic thing that only has so much in common with humanity and no more.

I do think that Programs written by gay programmers would seek same-sex interactions, it fits with the paradigm of Programs emulating their programmers.

Again, this would be a vague imitation of human pair-bonding sexual behavior, translated into the uniquely electronic ways of the Grid. A consummation of such a pair-bond would certainly be not a physical process but instead an exchange of energy and information that may or may not require physical contact. It is likely to have far more in common with opening an IM chat window than anything we'd call sexual.

There's no doubt in my mind that Programs, beneath their circuit suits, are as smooth and neuter as a Barbie or Ken doll. There's no reason they would have body hair, nipples, genitals, a urethra or an anus, nor would they have sweat glands or skin oils or pores. They're not biological beings. They just don't work like we do.

As I said, I'm sure a User could modify a Program to possess sexual characteristics so they can engage in sexual congress with a User, but there's no way in my mind that they possess such in an unmodified state.
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Wow, Kat, you noticed that? Dang.

Kat Wrote:In the Encom system, programs look like their users. In the arcade system, it doesn't appear to work that way between program and user anymore, because Flynn's the only user of the system. So, once again, you can't use the argument that programs form pairs because users form pairs.

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TRON.dll Wrote: Kat Wrote:In the Encom system, programs look like their users. In the arcade system, it doesn't appear to work that way between program and user anymore, because Flynn's the only user of the system. So, once again, you can't use the argument that programs form pairs because users form pairs. Actually, one possibility is that Flynn copied a ton of necessary Encom-published programs over to The Grid to populate it and make it work.

I agree entirely. Even in the original, there were stronger and weaker programs, one could easily argue that the most lifelike and complex were those whose Users were also their original Programmers. If there is indeed a special connection between programmer and program, on a level deeper than that between a User and a program they didn't code themselves, it would explain why Tron, Yori, Clu, and others were standouts among the more run of the mill programmed hordes.

Every good programmer knows when to recycle good code instead of reinventing the wheel. It's why .dll files exist in the first place. There's no doubt in my mind that Flynn would have copied over well-functioning code and architecture and programs from the original Grid to save time he could spend on his original creations. What programmer doesn't?abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

LWSrocks2 Wrote:Wow, Kat, you noticed that? Dang.

Yeah, well, every time somebody posts one of these damn animated gifs, I get mesmerized and watch it ten times over every time it pops up, lol. That gives one time to notice some weird things.

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Kat Wrote: LWSrocks2 Wrote:Wow, Kat, you noticed that? Dang. Yeah, well, every time somebody posts one of these damn animated gifs, I get mesmerized and watch it ten times over every time it pops up, lol. That gives one time to notice some weird things. Seriously, though...somebody, anybody? My question about throwing discs in the original?

this is the only one i could find
that closely resembles the vertical
throw that tron made.


mesmerized hmm - interesting.
i've now included subliminal messages
in the gif that compels people to watch the simpsons movie
it also compels an uncontrollable attraction to mr. burns


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