rimwall Wrote:remember how clu can feed on flynn's resistance and become more powerful.

I don't think that was literal. Take it more like for instance, the War on Terror, drugs, or whatever... the more we fight them, the more powerful they get.... usually anyhow.

It's kind of like "for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction."

Flynn probably figured that with nothing to fight against, CLU's zeal might die down, or the regime might collapse internally, or something.
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Tron Fanatic Wrote: rimwall Wrote:remember how clu can feed on flynn's resistance and become more powerful. I don't think that was literal. Take it more like for instance, the War on Terror, drugs, or whatever... the more we fight them, the more powerful they get.... usually anyhow. It's kind of like "for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction." Flynn probably figured that with nothing to fight against, CLU's zeal might die down, or the regime might collapse internally, or something.

Man, I need to get to bed but I keep coming back here.

I took it literally when I saw the film the first time, but later thought that, as he resisted, yes, Clu would come up with ways to combat the resistance, becoming stronger. As Flynn became less involved in any resistance, Clu would lay off and just go back to controlling the city. Balance was the best Flynn could hope for.

could this be clu's secret?
a program has to want and intend to take
power from a user?

power seems to flow from the user whether
the user wants to or not.

physical contact even seems to make the
power transfer even more efficient.

is that what programs get from the simple act of
communicating with users?

This was interesting! Initially, Ram sacrifices himself to help Flynn. In the final film, Ram derezzes because he is damaged, and perhaps Flynn is not yet familiar with his potential power, or couldn't have saved Ram anyway, that program's damages being too extensive. But it changes the whole tone of the scene. A program with the ability to be self-sacrificing? Of course, maybe Ram knew he was dying so gave Flynn what he had left.

Perhaps another reason the scene was changed?

we've seen other examples of energy tranfer
initiated by programs. like tron transferring
power to yori during the scene where she did
not recognize him because of her low power.

let's see if we could verbalize this properly:

the initial unintentional power transfer between
flynn and the recognizer tells me that flynn's
own programs automatically take power from flynn
(flynn created the recognizer in space paranoids iirc)

if an inanimate non-thinking object can take power from flynn
then imagine what a thinking program like clu
can do.

(i'd like to think of flynn as a leaky battery that is
always recharging and a conductor at the same time)

energy tranfer between flynn and inanimate objects
is obviously simple because the mental component of
the tranfer involves only flynn's thoughts.

the complicated part is energy transfer between
flynn and one of his thinking programs(clu).
it's complicated because i don't have much
evidence (of the inner workings) when it comes to two opposing thoughts.

rimwall Wrote: IluthraDanar Wrote:This was interesting! Initially, Ram sacrifices himself to help Flynn. In the final film, Ram derezzes because he is damaged, and perhaps Flynn is not yet familiar with his potential power, or couldn't have saved Ram anyway, that program's damages being too extensive. But it changes the whole tone of the scene. A program with the ability to be self-sacrificing? Of course, maybe Ram knew he was dying so gave Flynn what he had left. we could note that (in terms of visual cues about derezzing) ram's derezzing was different from other derezzing it really does look like ram's energy transferred into the recognizer. i guess they dont want flynn to look like an energy vampire that can suck friends and enemies alike.

In all the times I've viewed this film, I noticed the difference in derezz but didn't apply it to any reason. So they changed it marginally, by having Ram directly infuse the vessel with what power had left rather than him give it to Flynn himself. It wasn't explained in this way. Maybe Ram unconsciously did it, so it wasn't a sacrifice. Who will know for sure, what was in the minds of the writers. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

I just watched this piece on youtube, and it just seems like it's yes, a slow de-rezz ,as opposed to us watching Tron smash programs with his disk. There doesn't seem to be any need to energize the Recognizer, since it was running just fine moments before. I just think it was a slow death of a program, which may or may not send it's last dying energy into whatever its touching.

IluthraDanar Wrote:I just watched this piece on youtube, and it just seems like it's yes, a slow de-rezz ,as opposed to us watching Tron smash programs with his disk. There doesn't seem to be any need to energize the Recognizer, since it was running just fine moments before. I just think it was a slow death of a program, which may or may not send it's last dying energy into whatever its touching.

right. a couple of more words from ram and they could
have depicted it explicitly as a self-sacrifice scene,
instead of something ambiguous.

now that you mention it - it does seem weird to minimize
the significance of ram's sacrifice.
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Well it certainly wasn't well-depicted, because in all the times I've seen it, I never once got the slightest hint that he was sacrificing himself. All I saw was that he felt like he was dying, and didn't want to die alone.

There was nothing to imply that either Flynn or the Reco needed energy, or anything to imply that either of them received it.