Are they blind? Naw, they just all have their collective HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS! I forgave them for past subs when they finally nominated and awarded LotR: Return of the King. Avatar was good but not THAT good.

Why the FRAK are they snubing Tron Legacy like this. It is so insipid, pedantic, inane. It's unfathomable how they just up and not even nominate it??? Not even a Visuals Effect nomination? WTH???

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Are they blind? Naw, they just all have their collective HEADS UP THEIR BUTTS! I forgave them for past subs when they finally nominated and awarded LotR: Return of the King. Avatar was good but not THAT good. Why the FRAK are they snubing Tron Legacy like this. It is so insipid, pedantic, inane. It's unfathomable how they just up and not even nominate it??? Not even a Visuals Effect nomination? WTH???

They're snubbing Tron for the same reason they snub all genre fiction. It's not of interest to ACTORS, who form the bulk of the voting body, as I said in the "Daft Punk better.." thread. The Academy's not a critical body, it's a democratic one, which means that, by and large, genre films, no matter how good, are snubbed. But, there's more than that.

I agree that it deserves ONE of a) VFX, b) art design, or c) costume design. Probably costume design, since Clu was such an unpolished effect that it detracted from the overall effect and the art design is so stylized as to put some people off.

That said, I get the feeling that we as nerds overestimate how good genre films are because of their appeal to that part of our psyche that yearns for escapism.

LotR is a good example of this. There was so much clamoring from nerddom about those movies that the Academy really had no choice but to nominate them, even though they were inadequate movies in and of themselves. Amazing production values, phenomenal technologically speaking, but they were, to quote Kevin Smith, "three movies walking to a f*cking volcano." The plot was spread so thin and there was such a large cast of characters that any development to speak of was decentralized. Not to mention non-sequiturs like the freaking ghost army in RotK. And, like all "parts" of a larger plot, it did not stand on its own as a complete movie. I still do not agree with RotK getting "best picture," even though one hundred percent of my fans who are huge fantasy nerds think I'm insane.

There's a point to this. We're quick to jump to the defense of Tron because we love it, but at the same time there have been a lot of really excellent movies out there this year that are more noticeable because they are more rounded, fleshed-out films that try to be more than franchise tentpoles.

I love Tron. I love the world of it, I love the aesthetic of it, I love the philosophy that you can read out of it if you try. Hell, I love it so much that I'm dropping cash for a new computer, "soundstage" space, camera gear, and spending hours and hours in CGI and physical training to make a fan film. But, no matter how much I love it, I have to acknowledge that critically the movie fell short in a lot of respects. So many respects, in fact, that I can almost excuse the lack of attention it's getting at the Oscars this year.. or, if not excuse it, then certainly understand it. And when you add the democratic nature of the awards to it, then you can really start to get a clear picture of why it's not getting the awards we want it to get.

The snubbing is beyond moronic. Frak the pretentious, and inane "critical reception" of idiotic movie critics.

The videos on this page clearly demonstrate Tron Legacy deserves nominations in visual effects, sound track and costumes:

http://digitaldomainvip.com/

the "analysis" of most movie critics is HIGHLY questionable and lacking in many factors. An informed and sensible opinion is fine.

But *some* movie critcs themselfs are who are elitist and pretentious in general and that along with their unexplained distaste for cyberpunk sci-fi (see critical reception to Blade Runner, Tron {1982}, and the highly dubious reviews of the second and third Matrix films, frak them!) or most other imaginative sci-fi films that are actually pretty good, that negative outlook the bring in from the get go flavors their very questionable and broadly subjective "analysis" of alot of movies.

I am angry at the voters of the Oscar academy (i could not care less for the dubious opinions of movie critics) for their lack of being able to even give a couple IMO deserved nominations in Visual Effects and Score.

It's as if they are willfully dismissing it. Which they probablly are, WHY, i don't know the truth as to why.
This movie isn't frakking some Skyline or Season of the B**ch crap here, this is Digital Domain and Daft Punk. Snubing their excellent work on Tron Legacy is massively short sighted and stupid. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

I've seen the other nominees for VFX. Let's see:

“Alice in Wonderland” Very nice art design and visuals, is pretty deserving IMO.

“Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1” Nothing new same VFX as previous films, nothing all that unique. The VFX was good though.

“Hereafter” This had alot of generic VFX and nothing that special, nothing particularly amazing about it's VFX IMO. Same effects have been in many many other movies.

“Inception” IMO had above average, generic VFX, and most of it's VFX have been seen the the Matrix films,and in "Dark City".

“Iron Man 2” nothing all that new or unique. Just more of what was in the first Iron Man film.

IMO Hereafter is the least imaginative, and Tron Legacy should of been nominated for VFX and for Art Direction IMO.
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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I've seen the other nominees for VFX. Let's see: “Alice in Wonderland” Very nice art design and visuals, is pretty deserving IMO. “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1” Nothing new same VFX as previous films, nothing all that unique. The VFX was good though. “Hereafter” This had alot of generic VFX and nothing that special, nothing particularly amazing about it's VFX IMO. Same effects have been in many many other movies. “Inception” IMO had above average, generic VFX, and most of it's VFX have been seen the the Matrix films,and in "Dark City". “Iron Man 2” nothing all that new or unique. Just more of what was in the first Iron Man film. IMO Hereafter is the least imaginative, and Tron Legacy should of been nominated for VFX and for Art Direction IMO. See, I very very very seldom get angry over things. But the snubbing is just beyond stupid.

First post of yours in this thread I agree with, generally speaking. I would add though that IM2 somehow looked worse than the first one.

Also, to what extent do people think the art direction is responsible for the good VFX in Legacy? I don't think it'd look nearly as good if the design wasn't as tight as it is. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

What "makes their opinion important" is that media outlets and marketing use the Oscars to prop up and hype up those movies to sell more tickets/DVD's/Blu Ray Discs.

All to give more positive street cred to those films, the actors in the film, etc.
Thus mass media outlets uses those nominations and any awards won to sway and influence public perseptions and opinions. Even if the nominated or winners aren't all that great or their nominations or those that won may sometimes be dubious...

This snubbing is a metaphorical dirt thrown in Daft Punks faces, a kick to their groin (metaphorically speaking, and pretty much kicking Digital Domain and their excellent and imaginative work to the curb.

Film critics and the Oscar academy seems to want people to not recognize ANY positives about Tron Legacy or well any *good* imaginative sci-fi that actually fairly unique, namely cyberpunk sci-fi.
It's beyond ridicoulous and moronic.

Man, if I had mad hacking skills....

I would upload a video of Sam Flynn's dog Marvin barking to the live streams and all the video feeds during Oscar night, then play the "making of" clips from the Digital Domain site for entire time the Oscars show is on. With a scrolling message at the bottom saying "Flynn and Tron Legacy will not be ignored. We do not forgive, we do not forget." Just dreaming sure.. ah if only I knew how...

so i went to the academy awards nomination site, and i gotta say, the nominations aren't that hot. :c (excuse my teenage slang, heh heh).

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I've seen the other nominees for VFX. Let's see: “Alice in Wonderland” Very nice art design and visuals, is pretty deserving IMO. “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1” Nothing new same VFX as previous films, nothing all that unique. The VFX was good though. “Hereafter” This had alot of generic VFX and nothing that special, nothing particularly amazing about it's VFX IMO. Same effects have been in many many other movies. “Inception” IMO had above average, generic VFX, and most of it's VFX have been seen the the Matrix films,and in "Dark City". “Iron Man 2” nothing all that new or unique. Just more of what was in the first Iron Man film. IMO Hereafter is the least imaginative, and Tron Legacy should of been nominated for VFX and for Art Direction IMO. See, I very very very seldom get angry over things. But the snubbing is just beyond stupid.

agreed with all. i don't think any of them have the visual effects on the same level as tron. tron could only be compared to avatar, where they partly created the sets, while the rest is made in the computer in my opinion. o:

and for costume design, alice in wonderland, i am love, the king's speech, the tempest and true grit got nominated for it.

WTF?!?!?! tron easily pwns them all!