rimwall Wrote:in the disc wars where jarvis was making a report to clu - he mentions the INITIATIVE "rectifier on schedule where INITIATIVE should be operational within 12 cycles" 12 cycles is about 10.9 years grid time so what was clu's unfinished INITIATIVE?

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rimwall Wrote: ---------- It probably is the transfer of all his units from the grid into the outside world. I say this because we see in the last act of the movie his grand speech to his troops with the holographic globe and such. --------- so clu was NOT IMMEDIATELY going to use flynn's disc? clu was NOT going to pass his whole carrier at the last act- because he still had 10.9 years before the INITIATIVE is finished - right? the carrier moving towards the i/o stream was just a way to disrupt/block the i/o transfer - right?

He was but I gather he was going to come and go from grid to real world and back. The carrier may have been able to come through the portal but I figure he would go through as a single person or maybe even send another person, in case things don't work out as he hoped first. He could park the carrier and create troops and bring them through at will.

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1) to lure Alan Bradley to the Grid via the page he sent through an old defunct

telecom line (that Flynn Lives memebers used to send a digital pulse into The Grid

with using a special hack called a "Side Ways Attack" see Tron wiki. Clu received the

pulse instead of Flynn and sent a page back which was recieved by Alan's old pager

the Flynn gave him.)

2) use Alan to lure Flynn out of hiding and use that opprotunity to obtain Flynn's

disc. He got very lucky that Sam, Flynn's son showed up. So he put Sam in the Light

Cycles and directly threaten his life, predicting that an ally of Flynn would

probably appear and rescue him... and one did.
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i think i have a problem with clu sending the page to allan

why didn't clu have guards watching the sky for the
opening of the portal?

if clu sent the page- then user identification would
be the priority of patrols looking for programs without
identity discs- you only need to scratch a user to see
blood after all

i agree about the light cycle games in that clu had
FULL CONTROL on whether or not to kill sam -
but the DISC GAMES, clu had NO CONTROL, and
sam could have easily been killed prematurely-
which argues for PRIORITY identification of users.

seems ODD for clu to send a page and not make
any preparations at all to ensure the user's
safety (well at least until clu can get his
hands on the user)

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Clu did send the page, the writers said so, it's in the script, wether you like it or not, that's what happened.

Clu really didn't know who/what User would respond to the page nor did he have a method to detect a User. Clu is limited and not omniscient. Programs follow their pupose they don't obtain special abilities on the fly unless a User encoded them into the Program. Flynn didn't like being worshiped so it makes sense that he would leave out giving Programs the ability to detect a User. Clu can only repurpose code and Programs, but is still limited in what he can do.

Sam's similated blood is unique to a digitized User, as Programs don't bleed simulated blood when wounded. Rinzler saw the simulated blood and correctly surmized that Sam was a User. That much is clear and is fine the way it was shown.

Clu figured that any User that appeared would be useful in drawing out one of Flynn's allies and with the portal open, Clu reasoned that Flynn would attempt to leave through the portal, and use that opprotunity to get Flynn's disc.

No offense, but really your over thinking things a bit and nit picking, when it's really not neccessary to.

rimwall Wrote:--------- 12 cycles is nowhere close to 10.9 years. In fact, it's nowhere close to even one year. According to the official guidebook, a year is equal to 50 cycles grid time. 12 cycles is probably alot closer to a week or even just a few days. Clu was obviously planning on having Sam get there, as he sent the page to Alan (don't ask me how that happened, I don't understand either) so it wasn't accelerated, it was just meticulously planned. --------- flynn mentions that one millicycle is 8 hours so one cycle is 1000 millicycles = 8000 hours = 333.33 days

This is part of the difficulty with continuity and canonicity. Presumably, as with Star Trek, only what appears on screen is considered canon. That said, I'm going to side with the guidebook on this one and say that the writers goofed.

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One Siren noticed Sam was "different" due to his behavior, that behavior was not typical of most Programs that get sent to the games, with him questioning where the heck he was, showing modesty (placed his hands over his trunks.)
She wasn't psychic nor able to know he was actually a User.

Only the Isos have enhanced special "sense".

apparently in the Junior novelization of the movie, it's said that Iso's are able to sense things in a way other Programs on the Grid can't...

This is a spiritual abstract in the movie, where some Programs can kind of "feel" or sense somthing about a User, like Ram did when he was about to derez or Tron after "drinking" "liquid" energy sensing Alan calling to him to make contact. on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlinewhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

Maybe the perceptive Siren is actually a User who got assigned to the wardrobe department of the grid.

And since Ram and Tron could sense, maybe they were ISOs! (no, please I'm just kidding!)

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rimwall Wrote: let's see if i get it straight. clu is looking for flynns disc for a thousand years (grid time) clu sends a page and makes NO preparations for the arrival and identification of a user and HOPES that the user who arrives does not get killed in the disk games? so... hope for the best? also clu sends a page and does not even bother to monitor the portal's opening? also clu sends a page hoping a user will come thru - BUT clu has no WAY to detect a user? if clu has no way to identify a user - why send a page in the first place?

1) Clu sent the page on the chance that a User may come into The Grid. He sent it thinking it would contact a User and would lead to a User coming to the Grid. It's game of chance and also sort of chess game, and Clu "played his cards right".
He is in-a-sense a "clone" of Flynn and very good at games of many kinds. He's not programed for thinking 4th dimensionally or to really use much abstract thinking.

2) He did have a plan, Clu's plan was to use whatever User as bait to lure out either Flynn or one of his allies to come rescue the User at any point that a User is discovered by some anamolous situation (Sam's simulated blood from being wounded during the disc war match for example.) The "portal" didn't open until after Sam arrived on The Grid.
"Oh, so it's just you?" " I got it, I expected more...." Sam: "come on, let's return home" Clu: " hm, not in the cards..."
The "portal" is a great distance from the main city, and most Programs wouldn't last long way out in the outlands where energy is very very scarce. So monitoring a location so very far away for was not really that feasable. Programs need energy from The Grid to function, in the outlands without a Light Runner or Light Jet, they don't last long.
(Only Iso's and a User can find pockets of energy hidden beneath the tessalated rock formations...)

3) With the exception of some Programs having their own intuition, most Programs need to see something out of the ordinary to determine if someone's a User. Flynn didn't include "detect Users" as a universal routine. Short-sighted of Flynn, perhaps. He might not of wanted to add that. He didn't want Programs going around worshiping every User that came to visit The Grid, once Flynn unveiled to those he wanted to unveil it to.

4) Clu can't create Programs only rectify i.e. repurpose them.

5) Clu is still a Program and not gifted with good intuition nor is he omniscient. He is limited by his routines and his programming.
He doesn't grow much beyond that to think with abstract or expanded reasoning. He does have a degree of ignorance and lack of thinking "outside the box".
That's the irony, an imperfect Program attempting to "create a perfect system". Clu's plans are a means to that end.

he can't stop being one kind of Program and all of sudden be omnscient and know everything. Clu isn't a super A.I. brain able to predict all outcomes or use
meta-knowledge beyond himself. Sorry, Clu isn't a God Program neither is he Data or "Q" from Star Trek: TNG....

Your uneccessarily nit-picking and overanalyzing things way too much. This movie is a cyberspace sci-fi fantasy, a dark fairy tale, like greek myths.
Every bit of minutua doesn't require being picked apart.