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rimwall
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RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 3:23 AM
LWSrocks Wrote:Well, first of all, it's best to type with correct spelling and grammar. Second of all, bold face and caps lock suggests shouting, italics suggests emphasis, and underline represents trying to make the underlined point more obvious make it stand out.

You'll want to stay away from all caps words and sentences, except for of course the first letter of a sentence or first letters of all words in a title.

When I type, I hear myself saying these words in my mind and if I'm talking in a tone that can't easily be recognized in text, I think about the appropriate way to format it. If I'm yelling and want to come across as such, I use caps lock. If I'm dragging a word out to emphasise it, I use italics. If I'm making a point stand out to the reader, I boldface it or underline it.

It may take awhile to get used to doing such things, but once you are, your words start to flow naturally and you don't even need to think about what kind of formatting to use to get your words across properly, you just automatically do it. I've been typing ever since I was 2 years old. I'm eleven now, so that's been a few years. I now have an average typing rate of about 70 WPM because I am so frequently typing things. I even got an award last year for being the fastest typist in my computer class.

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If I'm making a point stand out to the reader, I boldface it or underline it.
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you just pointed out boldface as shouting
are you making an exception to that rule?


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on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 4:02 AM
Just surfing back through this topic, and all I gotta say is WOW! This is STILL going on?

Let's just admit that there are again (redundant but NECESSARY word) imperfections in the TRON: LEGACY plot, and that imperfection is a main theme of Tron: Legacy.

There.

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rimwall
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RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 4:05 AM
voltes5 Wrote:
rimwall Wrote:by my understanding a discussion group of movies
is supposed to be interpretative with varying
perspectives

And you are right. I'm actually enjoying this discourse because you're helping me organize my thoughts from interpreting/analyzing this film and I truly appreciate that...

However, I understand ShadowDragon1's frustration though. You are pretty much going in circles with your questions so let me spice it up for you...

Since the Portal can be seen from anywhere, why didn't Kevin Flynn see it? I mean, he was only just meditating and staring at The Grid when we first meet him. Is he in a complete trancelike (or TRONslike) state to overlook that shiny beacon RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM? Sam even points at it from Kevin's safehouse.

Okay, now did this affect my intense love for the film? No. Because it is really not that big of a deal.

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Since the Portal can be seen from anywhere, why didn't Kevin Flynn see it? I mean, he was only just meditating and staring at The Grid when we first meet him. Is he in a complete trancelike (or TRONslike) state to overlook that shiny beacon RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM? Sam even points at it from Kevin's safehouse.
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nice one.

lets establish the timeline as from the immediate opening of the portal

let's see - lets assume kevin saw the portal.

are we sure that flynn wants to go home ?

are there any indicators that say kevin wants to go home?
are there indicators that say flynn is not interested in going home?





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rimwall
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RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?

on Sunday, January, 23, 2011 11:37 PM
LWSrocks Wrote:Good point. I think Flynn is smart, and as he stated, knows that trying to get to the portal is exactly what Clu wanted them to do. As much as he wanted to go home, he knew that he couldn't, and only ended up trying to after Sam left with his lightcycle and he grew worried about what would happen to him.

yes, as a matter of fact we can infer a lot from the
conversations,and choices that flynn makes in the movie.

we know what is flynn's plan before the portal appeared.

flynn: game over.
the guy(clu) doesn't dig imperfection
what's more imperfect than our world?
i can't let that happen. i wont.

sam: so what do we do? nothing?

flynn: it's amazing how productive doing nothing can be.
clu's planning something we've known that for a while
programs have been disappearing- there's unrest out there
even revolution. we sit tight clu might be brought down from
the inside....

there is a lot more meaning in flynn's words. there's the desire
to resolve the problems in the grid and it's programs.
a desire not to let clu out of the system.

it would appear that flynn's primary and most important
goal is to fix all the problems of the programs and the grid.

sam's actions might have forced flynn to a different course,
but later on you can still see that flynn's choice of
actions is still consistent with his primary goal to fix the grid.
like exchanging discs with quorra prior to landing on the portal while
sams back was turned.
we could even surmise that flynn is just pretending to want to go home in
front of sam just to get sam out of the grid.

all of these allows flynn an option to fix the system from the inside

thoughts?

side note
sam: we can go home dont you want that?
flynn: sometimes life has a way of moving you past wants and hopes.

there might be another scientific/medical reason why flynn himself
would not want to go home

his body might survive the transition back to our world

but his thousand years of experience – would his real-world mind be
able to coherently handle a thousand years of memory and experience.

here an excerpt from a longevity article and possible effects on
our current limited human mind.

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http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/04/Genetic%20Testing/geneticethics.htm

Bioethicist Walter Glannon believes that if our lives extend beyond 120 years, the human mind will be unable to connect our current lives with our past selves. He believes that the human mind does not have the capacity to create a chronologically solidified identity that incorporates the past with the future when 120 yeas separate the two.
—————-

i dont remember the exact thread here- but i also seem to recall someone
saying that flynn's memories seem to be degrading.

a different perspective is quorra would appear to have a brain
capable of handling a thousand years (maybe more) of experience and memories.

side note2
programs thinking and planning of revolution
indicates programs are evolving beyond their
intended functions.

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rimwall
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RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?

on Monday, January, 24, 2011 3:42 AM
voltes5 Wrote:
rimwall Wrote:by my understanding a discussion group of movies
is supposed to be interpretative with varying
perspectives

And you are right. I'm actually enjoying this discourse because you're helping me organize my thoughts from interpreting/analyzing this film and I truly appreciate that...

However, I understand ShadowDragon1's frustration though. You are pretty much going in circles with your questions so let me spice it up for you...

Since the Portal can be seen from anywhere, why didn't Kevin Flynn see it? I mean, he was only just meditating and staring at The Grid when we first meet him. Is he in a complete trancelike (or TRONslike) state to overlook that shiny beacon RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM? Sam even points at it from Kevin's safehouse.

Okay, now did this affect my intense love for the film? No. Because it is really not that big of a deal.

thanks also for the your input - our discussion has sparked
me on a probable motive for clu's actions

clu wants (on some level) to be re-integrated with flynn

sam or any user gets killed accidentally and rumors of
the dead but underezzed body reaches clu.
clu then makes sure the rumor reaches flynn's ear

clus projected result
flynn destroys his disk, confronts clu for the murders
and re-integrates clu

clu kills sam himself in front of everyone in the grid
the rumors reach flynn

clus projected result
flynn destroys his disk, confronts clu for the murder
re-integrates clu

well we know what happened when sam gets rescued

end result
clu gets re-integrated

which is probably the reason why clu did not kill flynn
on the bridge. clu is still giving flynn the
option to re-integrate him.

every plan and action clu takes, might appear like clu
is risking re-integration. until we look at it from
the perspective that clu (on some digital subconscious level)
wants re-integration.

it would appear getting re-integrated is an acceptable option
for clu

again many thanks voltes5 for sparking this
train of thought






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