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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 3:58 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:rimwall Wrote:
let's see if i get it straight. clu is looking for flynns disc
for a thousand years (grid time)
clu sends a page and makes NO preparations for the arrival
and identification of a user and HOPES that the user who
arrives does not get killed in the disk games? so... hope for the best?
also clu sends a page and does not even bother to monitor
the portal's opening?
also clu sends a page hoping a user will come thru - BUT
clu has no WAY to detect a user? if clu has no way to
identify a user - why send a page in the first place?
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1) Clu sent the page on the chance that a User may come into The Grid. He sent it thinking it would contact a User and would lead to a User coming to the Grid. It's game of chance and also sort of chess game, and Clu "played his cards right".
He is in-a-sense a "clone" of Flynn and very good at games of many kinds. He's not programed for thinking 4th dimensionally or to really use much abstract thinking.
2) He did have a plan, Clu's plan was to use the User as bait to lure out either Flynn or one of his allies to come rescue the User at any point that a User is discovered by some anamolous situation (Sam's simulated blood from being wounded during the disc war match for example.) The "portal" didn't open until after Sam arrived on The Grid.
3) With the exception of some Programs having their own intuition, most Programs need to see something out of the ordinary to determine if someone's a User.
4) Clu can't create Programs only rectify i.e. repurpose them.
5) Clu is still a Program and not gifted with good intuition nor is he omniscient. He is limited by his routines and his programming. He doesn't grow much beyond that to think with abstract or expanded reasoning. He does have a degree of ignorance and lack of thinking "outside the box". That's the irony, an imperfect Program attempting to "create a perfect system". Clu's plans are a means to that end.
he can't stop being one kind of Program and all of sudden be omnscient and know everything. Clu isn't a super A.I. brain able to predict all outcomes or use
meta-knowledge beyond himself. Sorry, Clu isn't a God Program neither is he Data or "Q" from Star Trek: TNG....
Your uneccessarily nit-picking and overanalyzing things way too much. This movie is a cyberspace sci-fi fantasy, a dark fairy tale, like greek myths.
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well, if Clu is able to build up a plan to get a user into The Grid, sure he's not that "lack of thinking" after all. As you say, he plays his card right, and that shows he has some wisdom.
I agree he cannot build up a perfect plan, but at the very least, he should be able to call someone to check out the portal to see if it's open or not.
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ShadowDragon1
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 4:10 AM
Clu lacks expanded meta thinking so he prone to not thinking of everything. \
Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from. Also, most likely the "portal" is inert and undetectable until it's active.
It's very very noticable once active anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet...
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 4:17 AM
i remembered Sam is able to see the portal open in Kevin's safehouse and in the train. i don't think it's that difficult to monitor.
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 4:39 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Clu lacks expanded meta thinking so he prone to not thinking of everything. \
Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from. Also, most likely the "portal" is inert and undetectable until it's active.
It's very very noticable once active anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet... |
clu has enough thinking capacity to delegate monitoring jobs to jarvis and others-
but clu does not have enough thinking capacity to tell his other minions to
look for the sudden appearance of a bright light in the sky?
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 4:42 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:rimwall Wrote:
let's see if i get it straight. clu is looking for flynns disc
for a thousand years (grid time)
clu sends a page and makes NO preparations for the arrival
and identification of a user and HOPES that the user who
arrives does not get killed in the disk games? so... hope for the best?
also clu sends a page and does not even bother to monitor
the portal's opening?
also clu sends a page hoping a user will come thru - BUT
clu has no WAY to detect a user? if clu has no way to
identify a user - why send a page in the first place?
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1) Clu sent the page on the chance that a User may come into The Grid. He sent it thinking it would contact a User and would lead to a User coming to the Grid. It's game of chance and also sort of chess game, and Clu "played his cards right".
He is in-a-sense a "clone" of Flynn and very good at games of many kinds. He's not programed for thinking 4th dimensionally or to really use much abstract thinking.
2) He did have a plan, Clu's plan was to use whatever User as bait to lure out either Flynn or one of his allies to come rescue the User at any point that a User is discovered by some anamolous situation (Sam's simulated blood from being wounded during the disc war match for example.) The "portal" didn't open until after Sam arrived on The Grid.
"Oh, so it's just you?" " I got it, I expected more...." Sam: "come on, let's return home" Clu: " hm, not in the cards..."
The "portal" is a great distance from the main city, and most Programs wouldn't last long way out in the outlands where energy is very very scarce. So monitoring a location so very far away for was not really that feasable. Programs need energy from The Grid to function, in the outlands without a Light Runner or Light Jet, they don't last long.
(Only Iso's and a User can find pockets of energy hidden beneath the tessalated rock formations...)
3) With the exception of some Programs having their own intuition, most Programs need to see something out of the ordinary to determine if someone's a User. Flynn didn't include "detect Users" as a universal routine. Short-sighted of Flynn, perhaps. He might not of wanted to add that. He didn't want Programs going around worshiping every User that came to visit The Grid, once Flynn unveiled to those he wanted to unveil it to.
4) Clu can't create Programs only rectify i.e. repurpose them.
5) Clu is still a Program and not gifted with good intuition nor is he omniscient. He is limited by his routines and his programming.
He doesn't grow much beyond that to think with abstract or expanded reasoning. He does have a degree of ignorance and lack of thinking "outside the box".
That's the irony, an imperfect Program attempting to "create a perfect system". Clu's plans are a means to that end.
he can't stop being one kind of Program and all of sudden be omnscient and know everything. Clu isn't a super A.I. brain able to predict all outcomes or use
meta-knowledge beyond himself. Sorry, Clu isn't a God Program neither is he Data or "Q" from Star Trek: TNG....
Your uneccessarily nit-picking and overanalyzing things way too much. This movie is a cyberspace sci-fi fantasy, a dark fairy tale, like greek myths.
Every bit of minutua doesn't require being picked apart. |
so clu is smart enough to stage, plan, execute and WIN a Coup d'état
but NOT smart enough to monitor the opening of the portal?
or delegate the job of looking for a bright light in the sky?
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 4:54 AM
Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from.
Yes it's visible, but only when it's active.
The "portal" structure's location is most likely hidden and undetectable when it's not active
There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky for cycle upon cycle for over a 1000 cycles for a bright blue light to appear. It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet.
Your overly obssesing on a one detail that doesn't need to be focused on.
It's like asking "why didn't Obi Wan use the Force to deactivate Darth Vader's life support system to kill him, Obi wan is a Jedi master he should of done that!" or "why didn't rebel battle ship fire a barrage of proton torpedoes at the exaust port to eventually get one in to trigger it the Death Star to explode the rebel fleet had the fire power!" it's a pointless exercise.
Your nit picking just to nitpick, and it's not neccessary to.
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:35 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from.
Yes it's visible, but only when it's active.
The "portal" structure's location is most likely hidden and undetectable when it's not active
There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky for cycle upon cycle for over a 1000 cycles for a bright blue light to appear. It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet.
Your overly obssesing on a one detail that doesn't need to be focused on.
It's like asking "why didn't Obi Wan use the Force to deactivate Darth Vader's life support system to kill him, Obi wan is a Jedi master he should of done that!" or "why didn't rebel battle ship fire a barrage of proton torpedoes at the exaust port to eventually get one in to trigger it the Death Star to explode the rebel fleet had the fire power!" it's a pointless exercise.
Your nit picking just to nitpick, and it's not neccessary to.
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what location are you referring to
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RenegadeProgram
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:40 AM
Shadow Dragon, you've done a great job of explaining the whole thing.
@rimwall:
Keep in mind the following:
*The portal, once activated (key point) would only be open for a LIMITED amount of time;
*CLU, regardless of his limited thinking/reasoning abilities, wouldn't have been able to keep sentries at the portal ahead of time, due to the humongous amount of energy that would have been needed to sustain such surveillance
*As shadow dragon stated, the whole plan was a chancy plan, due to the simple fact, that the outcome would end up totally being affected by variables outside Clu's control
Basically, the only amount of pre-planning or pre-cognition (if you will) that Clu could have done, was steer his carrier towards the direction of the portal, ONCE IT WAS OPEN IN HOPES(another key phrase) of intercepting whatever User (along with Kevin Flynn) was trying to get through it.
That is the irony of the whole thing: again, am imperfect program trying desperately to execute a perfect plan, neglecting to realize the imperfect variables associated with it.
I've seen TL twice now, and even recall Flynn talking about and explaining about the nature of the portal ( and Quorra's explaining of how certain vehicles and programs couldn't function off the grid).
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:41 AM
the sort of zen buddhist temple-like structure with the long flight of stairs, a platform, a brigde, an then the disc shaped platform... that structure;
where the "portal" i.e. the energy pillar/digital worm hole was... :/
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:43 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from.
Yes it's visible, but only when it's active.
The "portal" structure's location is most likely hidden and undetectable when it's not active
There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky for cycle upon cycle for over a 1000 cycles for a bright blue light to appear. It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet.
Your overly obssesing on a one detail that doesn't need to be focused on.
It's like asking "why didn't Obi Wan use the Force to deactivate Darth Vader's life support system to kill him, Obi wan is a Jedi master he should of done that!" or "why didn't rebel battle ship fire a barrage of proton torpedoes at the exaust port to eventually get one in to trigger it the Death Star to explode the rebel fleet had the fire power!" it's a pointless exercise.
Your nit picking just to nitpick, and it's not neccessary to.
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clu does not have to order sentries to monitor the sky for a thousand cycles-
i would imagine it makes more sense to have sentries monitor the sky
only AFTER clu ALLEGEDLY sent the page.
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:46 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:the sort of zen buddhist temple-like structure with the long flight of stairs, a platform, a brigde, an then the disc shaped platform... that structure;
where the "portal" i.e. the energy pillar/digital worm hole was... :/
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you mean sams exit point?
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 5:47 AM
To Clu, he has sent out that signal many "days" ago... He didn't know if would even contact a User at all. He took a chance that it may.
It's not logical to have sentries spend an indeterminate amount of time staring at the sky. It's uneccesary. Just like this point your dwelling on is uneccessary.
I think you want to argue just for the sake of arguing. This is were I say, give it rest now.. cause your question was answered and I gave you a rational explanation and it's unfortunate that you seem to not want to except it.
So this conversation is over.
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Posts: 593 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 6:04 AM
@rimwall:
Here's the simplest way I can think of explaining this:
*The imperfections in CLU 2.0's programming made execution of a perfect plan impossible.
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Posts: 25 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 7:16 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from.
Yes it's visible, but only when it's active.
The "portal" structure's location is most likely hidden and undetectable when it's not active
There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky for cycle upon cycle for over a 1000 cycles for a bright blue light to appear. It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet. |
If there is one big plot hole that I can't seem to forgive is CLU and his army not noticing the visible portal. Kevin Flynn and Sam are able to see it from the Outlands and Quorra even says this: "It used to let us know that Flynn was here. It became a symbol of something bigger, something better in this world."
Based on those two evidence, then there should have been no reason for CLU and his minions to not notice it...
HOWEVER,
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Your overly obssesing on a one detail that doesn't need to be focused on.
It's like asking "why didn't Obi Wan use the Force to deactivate Darth Vader's life support system to kill him, Obi wan is a Jedi master he should of done that!" or "why didn't rebel battle ship fire a barrage of proton torpedoes at the exaust port to eventually get one in to trigger it the Death Star to explode the rebel fleet had the fire power!" it's a pointless exercise. |
Agreed. This is when we just need to accept the film's logic and even its illogical rules/situations. And is this problem truly an issue to fully enjoy the film? I don't think so. You have to read science-fantasy films in a different way, as opposed to hard sci-fi films. You need to focus on the "heart" of the story.
For example, Quorra says this (I'm gonna copy what I wrote from CHUD):
"His patience usually beats out my more aggressive strategy."
At the very core of Tron Legacy is that everything is a game. In fact, a computer game is nothing but a program. And in this game, CLU is the AGGRESSIVE strategist -- so agressive that he would not think twice about killing Sam on the Light Cycle Grid; Kevin Flynn, on the other hand, is the PASSIVE strategist -- so passive that he's willing to let his son get stranded on The Grid with him just so his "mistake" doesn't escape to the real world. Either way, Sam "dies." |
Personally, I understood the "Initiative" as the completion of his army and not the actual transfer to the physical world. So all of his focus on the "Initiative" is to get as many supporters to come with him. CLU being the "aggressive" player, this plan really fits his behavior (or programming).
Like I said, I can't seem to forgive the plot hole with the visible Portal, but it hasn't affected my enjoyment and high opinion of this film. Try not to get too hung up on such details, because the bigger story is immensely rich. Just let yourself loose in this fantasy world.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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rimwall
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 7:53 AM
RenegadeProgram Wrote:Shadow Dragon, you've done a great job of explaining the whole thing.
@rimwall:
Keep in mind the following:
*The portal, once activated (key point) would only be open for a LIMITED amount of time;
*CLU, regardless of his limited thinking/reasoning abilities, wouldn't have been able to keep sentries at the portal ahead of time, due to the humongous amount of energy that would have been needed to sustain such surveillance
*As shadow dragon stated, the whole plan was a chancy plan, due to the simple fact, that the outcome would end up totally being affected by variables outside Clu's control
Basically, the only amount of pre-planning or pre-cognition (if you will) that Clu could have done, was steer his carrier towards the direction of the portal, ONCE IT WAS OPEN IN HOPES(another key phrase) of intercepting whatever User (along with Kevin Flynn) was trying to get through it.
That is the irony of the whole thing: again, am imperfect program trying desperately to execute a perfect plan, neglecting to realize the imperfect variables associated with it.
I've seen TL twice now, and even recall Flynn talking about and explaining about the nature of the portal ( and Quorra's explaining of how certain vehicles and programs couldn't function off the grid). |
the assertion that clu can only plan 1 or 2 steps forward seems STRANGE
when compared to clu's ability to plan a full Successful Coup d'état
how many steps does a coup need?
how many variables must be considered for a successful coup?
also with regards to energy if the portal is open for only 8 hours - how much
energy is clu willing to squander to stop his adversaries?
how important is it for clu to stop flynn's party?
i dont remember anything in the movie mentioning energy requirements for
posting sentries or recognizers at the exit point - do you?
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 8:13 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:To Clu, he has sent out that signal many "days" ago... He didn't know if would even contact a User at all. He took a chance that it may.
It's not logical to have sentries spend an indeterminate amount of time staring at the sky. It's uneccesary. Just like this point your dwelling on is uneccessary.
I think you want to argue just for the sake of arguing. This is were I say, give it rest now.. cause your question was answered and I gave you a rational explanation and it's unfortunate that you seem to not want to except it.
So this conversation is over. |
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There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky ... It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
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how many sentries does it take (in rotation) to look for a SINGLE bright
constant light in the sky?
do you think clu would CHOOSE NOT knowing when the portal opens-
when the alternative is to KNOW when it opens?
that's odd - its NOT inefficient because the light in the sky
(which can be observed FROM ANYWHERE in the grid)
indicates:
WHEN IT'S TIME to properly and carefully SCREEN captured
programs because one of them MIGHT be a user- so as not to risk
getting the user KILLED during the disc games.
WHEN IT'S TIME to be extra vigilant to ABNORMAL programs
that might be users
as you claim - clu had "many days" to prepare
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 8:29 AM
voltes5 Wrote:ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Monitoring the "portal" at that location isn't feasible if there's no source of energy for a Sentry or two to draw from.
Yes it's visible, but only when it's active.
The "portal" structure's location is most likely hidden and undetectable when it's not active
There's no sense to have sentries stare out at all directions looking at the sky for cycle upon cycle for over a 1000 cycles for a bright blue light to appear. It's ineffecient to do that. It will be noticed eventually once it appears anyways.
Clu was on his way to the disc war arena at the time and hadn't seen the "portal" had
re-appeared yet. |
If there is one big plot hole that I can't seem to forgive is CLU and his army not noticing the visible portal. Kevin Flynn and Sam are able to see it from the Outlands and Quorra even says this: "It used to let us know that Flynn was here. It became a symbol of something bigger, something better in this world."
Based on those two evidence, then there should have been no reason for CLU and his minions to not notice it...
HOWEVER,
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Your overly obssesing on a one detail that doesn't need to be focused on.
It's like asking "why didn't Obi Wan use the Force to deactivate Darth Vader's life support system to kill him, Obi wan is a Jedi master he should of done that!" or "why didn't rebel battle ship fire a barrage of proton torpedoes at the exaust port to eventually get one in to trigger it the Death Star to explode the rebel fleet had the fire power!" it's a pointless exercise. |
Agreed. This is when we just need to accept the film's logic and even its illogical rules/situations. And is this problem truly an issue to fully enjoy the film? I don't think so. You have to read science-fantasy films in a different way, as opposed to hard sci-fi films. You need to focus on the "heart" of the story.
For example, Quorra says this (I'm gonna copy what I wrote from CHUD):
"His patience usually beats out my more aggressive strategy."
At the very core of Tron Legacy is that everything is a game. In fact, a computer game is nothing but a program. And in this game, CLU is the AGGRESSIVE strategist -- so agressive that he would not think twice about killing Sam on the Light Cycle Grid; Kevin Flynn, on the other hand, is the PASSIVE strategist -- so passive that he's willing to let his son get stranded on The Grid with him just so his "mistake" doesn't escape to the real world. Either way, Sam "dies." |
Personally, I understood the "Initiative" as the completion of his army and not the actual transfer to the physical world. So all of his focus on the "Initiative" is to get as many supporters to come with him. CLU being the "aggressive" player, this plan really fits his behavior (or programming).
Like I said, I can't seem to forgive the plot hole with the visible Portal, but it hasn't affected my enjoyment and high opinion of this film. Try not to get too hung up on such details, because the bigger story is immensely rich. Just let yourself loose in this fantasy world. |
actually i'd be more inclined to follow occam's razor
if the evidence says that clu did not send the page
then so be it.
after all we only have flynn's assumption that clu
sent it.
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Posts: 117 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 9:11 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote: Sentries are only to capture Programs and send them to the games or to be rectified. They are limited and follow their routines. They themselfs are rectified/repurposed Programs and limited in their abilities and what they know. There "free will" was suppressed as part of the rectification process.
Clu had no prior knowledge on how to detect a User, nor do most Programs. Sensing a individual is different doesn't mean they know "oh this is a User here". Only that something a bit different about him, nothing more.
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This kind of begs the question, What would have happened if that sentry sent Sam off to be rectified? What was the sentry doing when he looked at each program and chirped then said games or rectify? Can a user, Sam or Kevin, be rectified/reprogrammed? Since Sam didn't have a disc when he was found, would he have been given one right prior to the attempted rectification?
I'm guessing we would have been led to the same point.
- This guy can't be rectified
- He must be a user
- Take him to CLU
- I'm not your father, but I'm very glad to see you
- skip straight to the light cycles.
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on Friday, January, 21, 2011 9:43 AM
having seen the movie again. I have a new thinking (everytime we see this movie i have some feedback, just show how good this film is): Although Clu sent the page to Alan the night before the whole events, but it's a time in the real world. One day in the world means many cycles in The Grid. (I'm not sure how many, need someone to calculate for me)
Clu might think it's worthless to have people monitoring it the whole time as it takes too long and it might even be meaningless, because it's not a foregone conclusion that someone will come. This may explain why he don't take the portal seriously.
But i have another question. When Quorra is captured by Tron, Kevin said his idea is to let Sam go back to the real world to shut Clu down. If hour in The Grid means minutes in real world, then in the opposite, every minutes Sam spent in real world can already result to hour in The Grid. Am i getting right?
Certainly Sam need to act very, very quickly to do this if that's the case. I'm not sure if Sam can shut down Clu that fast to avoid the chaos in The Grid (I remember Sam said to Quorra he need to find Alan Bradley to sort this out, this is not a one key job).
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rimwall
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Posts: 507 | RE: the INITIATIVE in 12 cycles - what was it?
on Friday, January, 21, 2011 12:42 PM
1day our time= 45 days grid time (i think)
clu choosing to IGNORE the IMPORTANCE of the appearance of the bright light portal-
means clu CHOOSING to IGNORE ONE of the possible INDICATORS of user presence on the grid.
means clu choosing to ignore the dangers of the user being picked for disc games.
means clu choosing to IGNORE the RISK of having the user PREMATURELY die in disc games.
does it REALLY make sense to acknowledge that the user is important to clu's plan-
but the user is NOT important enough to protect from premature death in the disc games?
does it make sense to think that clu would CHOOSE TO NOT know when the portal opens-
when the alternative is to KNOW when it opens?
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I.T. support: yes sir - you click start to turn off your p.c.
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