Does Castor's forehead tat get explained in the comics or anything? Though I dunno if it can even be called a tattoo, its more like a branding, but something about it immediately made me think of the glowing mark on the ISO's arm in Kevin's flashback.

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aldul Wrote:The End of Line gets blown up in Evolution, and yet Castor is still there with a new one in Legacy. I suspect he had a port handy to get him out of tight spots and made it out of there in time. His character is too interesting to kill off so soon.

I haven't gotten to that part in Evolution just yet, but this is very interesting to hear.

I can imagine him being in Tron 3 as a sort of last minute, surprise character. Maybe Dillinger has them cornered, and he comes out of nowhere and does something to help Sam/Quorra. Who knows.

I must ask though. Who blew up the club in Evolution? If it was Clu, wouldn't he learn that blowing up the End of Line is a rather bad way of trying to kill C/Z? Also, was there a clear escape path for C/Z in Evolution, or was the hallway and elevator rigged with explosives like in Legacy?

This is what Tron: Evolution says about Zuse:

"Basic Program. Merchant and proprietor of popular Tron City social establishment, End of Line Club. Suspected key figure in black market trade of discontinued modifications.

Self proclaimed "lubricant that greases the rusted gears of our digital society." Disparate accounts of origins exist. Reputedly designed by Kevin Flynn in TC30 as an interpreter but quickly and naturally exceeded his original directive. Unconfirmed conflicting report describes origin as low-priority actuarial algorithm who illegally co-opted identity of obsolete protocol. More investigation required for verification.

No known proficiencies. Operator-class privileges in Light Cycle operation granted."

Rinzlerortron Wrote:I don't think that just because she said he was a program, that it doesn't mean he can't be an ISO. You also have to remember, that despite being his son, Flynn doesn't really seem to be completely upfront with Sam until later when they're on the "train". So it would make perfect sense if Quorra had the same level of "trust" as Flynn did with exposing information.

You bring up some valid points, just one question though.

What exactly would be the point of Quorra withholding that piece of information from Sam?

It's not like Sam was gonna be biased either way.

typicaltronname Wrote:This is what Tron: Evolution says about Zuse: "Basic Program. Merchant and proprietor of popular Tron City social establishment, End of Line Club. Suspected key figure in black market trade of discontinued modifications. Self proclaimed "lubricant that greases the rusted gears of our digital society." Disparate accounts of origins exist. Reputedly designed by Kevin Flynn in TC30 as an interpreter but quickly and naturally exceeded his original directive. Unconfirmed conflicting report describes origin as low-priority actuarial algorithm who illegally co-opted identity of obsolete protocol. More investigation required for verification. No known proficiencies. Operator-class privileges in Light Cycle operation granted." Rinzlerortron Wrote:I don't think that just because she said he was a program, that it doesn't mean he can't be an ISO. You also have to remember, that despite being his son, Flynn doesn't really seem to be completely upfront with Sam until later when they're on the "train". So it would make perfect sense if Quorra had the same level of "trust" as Flynn did with exposing information. You bring up some valid points, just one question though. What exactly would be the point of Quorra withholding that piece of information from Sam? It's not like Sam was gonna be biased either way.

Well, Quorra seems to be big on trusting Flynn's wisdom, as she tells Sam. No doubt she also noticed that Flynn chose to keep her ISO identity a secret from Sam, so perhaps she too felt it was best to continue the ruse of there being no more ISOs. (Not that I think C/Z is an ISO, but it is a plausible explanation for why she didn't tell him.)

That can be a possible explanation.

I don't think C/Z is an ISO either. All sources point out that he's a basic program.

CLU was bent and I mean BENT on destroying the ISO's I don't think he'd he leave an ISO continue running an establishment within his city, let alone make a deal with C/Z that would leave an ISO in control of the city.

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fluffycow333 Wrote:I made this thread for intelligent discussion, not for fangirling, which is to be reserved for the Ladies' Night thread. (I mostly say this for myself) Was he really derezzed? We only saw the club explode. There was a noticable amount of time between Clu placing the bombs and the actual explosion. Did he have a relationship with Quorra? He helped the Isos at one point. He seemed troubled when Sam mentioned her, and Gem looked jealous. He fought alongside the Isos. Why did he stop and join Clu's side? What happened?

Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth:

Personally, I don't think that C/Z necessarily had a romantic relationship with Quorra in the past. I feel that he is an ISO who is ashamed of being an ISO, and also was a FORMER revolutionary who sold out the other ISOs. At some point, CLU 2 probably found out what was going down, and just as he was initiating the Purge, probably threatened Zuse with immediate derezzing, unless Zuse acted as an informant for him. The problem with that type of "logic" is that Zuse failed to see that his cooperating with CLU 2 would still end up in him being disposable, and he probably was the type of program to sell any other program or USER (especially in Sam's case) up the river for whatever "protection" or the "right price", even himself.

To me, this was evident as well, when the Black Guards stormed the EOL Club RIGHT AFTER Sam and Quorra showed up, as if on cue - in my mind I was thinking, "How would they know that Sam and Quorra were there, without Zuse/Castor informing CLU 2 about it????" It would have happened, IMHO, regardless of the trace put on the lightcycle (because Sam gave it up to a homeless program in the street saying, "Here's your lucky day!", and the homeless guy rode off, buying Sam some time to evade being tracked by CLU2). GEM may have ratted Sam out, too - she seemed very enthusiastic to help Sam when she ran into him in the TRON City streets.

While I initially found Castor interesting, I soon lost interest in him, and his death by CLU 2 was probably karma. Even if the bomb didn't kill him, the long amount of time it took CLU 2 to prepare Castor's drink, made me also think that CLU 2 poisoned it. In the end, the only way to resurrect him, is to find the recovery sector that has his code in it, and I'm sure Sam could easily do that. I don't think he will. We'll see what the writers, director, and producers of TR3N decide. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

typicaltronname Wrote: No known proficiencies. Operator-class privileges in Light Cycle operation granted." Rinzlerortron Wrote:I don't think that just because she said he was a program, that it doesn't mean he can't be an ISO. You also have to remember, that despite being his son, Flynn doesn't really seem to be completely upfront with Sam until later when they're on the "train". So it would make perfect sense if Quorra had the same level of "trust" as Flynn did with exposing information. You bring up some valid points, just one question though. What exactly would be the point of Quorra withholding that piece of information from Sam? It's not like Sam was gonna be biased either way.

That's a difficult question to answer. What was the point of Flynn holding back information from his own son? It could be the same reason. You have to remember, Quorra didn't even feel comfortable telling Sam about her being an ISO until he told her he knew about it already on the train. That means that after all they'd been through together. After he helped save her life, etc etc, she didn't truly trust him yet with sensitive information. That says a lot, and it could very well mean there was more about the ISOs both Flynn and Quorra weren't 100% upfront with, just as they weren't upfront with him for much of the movie.
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Tron Fanatic Wrote: Kat Wrote:I never thought his past with Quorra would've hinted at romance either. He's troubled by her mention...that's it. Na, there's more to it than that. It's easy to tell not by his expression, but by Gem rolling her eyes at him when he's talking about it.

Right, but Gem might have a past with her as well. Or, it's easy enough to have plenty of animosity toward someone WITHOUT your history with them being romantic. Gem reacts to his reaction (possibly, unless she has a reaction of her own...she's sort of behind C/Z, so how would she see his expression?), but we don't know WHY he's reacting that way, just that Gem's familiar with it for some reason.abortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion

Rinzlerortron Wrote: aldul Wrote:The End of Line gets blown up in Evolution, and yet Castor is still there with a new one in Legacy. I suspect he had a port handy to get him out of tight spots and made it out of there in time. His character is too interesting to kill off so soon. I haven't gotten to that part in Evolution just yet, but this is very interesting to hear. I can imagine him being in Tron 3 as a sort of last minute, surprise character. Maybe Dillinger has them cornered, and he comes out of nowhere and does something to help Sam/Quorra. Who knows. I must ask though. Who blew up the club in Evolution? If it was Clu, wouldn't he learn that blowing up the End of Line is a rather bad way of trying to kill C/Z? Also, was there a clear escape path for C/Z in Evolution, or was the hallway and elevator rigged with explosives like in Legacy?

Clu blew it up in Evolution too. It happened when Clu went nuts and started blowing everything up. There was no clear escape. It was a cut scene and I don't remember the little details. It kinda reminds me of the drummer in Spinal Tap.

"Hello Castor."
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is castor/zeus and gem still alive? i believe he is.

about the end of line club at its entry and exit points:

should we assume that the elevator is the only
way in or out of the club?

we can see more or less 40 people when sam and
gem entered the club

during the fight scene of quorra and sam -
we see a lot of programs running like headless chickens.
we see programs cowering near the elevator but making
no move to leave.
(its like we can hear the director saying dont use the elevator
just keep running and running around the club)

take note of this scene where flynn sam and the injured quorra
were on their way to the elevator

we note the number of programs still running in panic
(by the way the crowd is thinner now- the others have
escaped and the remaining ones apparently cant find
the exit/s where half the crowd went)

we note the group behind the sentry exiting out of camera range
there was also a group to the right of the sentry but they
are off-camera (they swarmed a sentry lying face down when flynn
was doing his "touch-the-ground-stop-the-music" move)

i count 20 or so programs in this scene.
we can note that the club is slowy emptying by means other than
the elevator.

when castor shoots the sentry, we can note that
the club which originally contained 40 or more programs is now empty.

so there is an alternate exit point for castor and gem.
(they just didn't show it to us)
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