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Posts: 1,461 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Sunday, April, 10, 2011 2:43 PM
I really gotta wonder how the User loyalists took to Flynn's behavior. I see why Flynn gave up on fighting Clu, but imagine being a devout Program who is completely faithful to the Users and then suddenly Flynn just disappears and turns his back on you. You'd be pretty damned bitter.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Sunday, April, 10, 2011 4:26 PM
fluffycow333 Wrote:I've read several fan fictions about Zuse when he was fighting against Clu, and they all have him tortured in order for Clu to get information about where he was helping the Isos escape to. I think it's a pretty reasonable explanation. He wouldn't want to be the same person that lead to an experience like that and so he re-invented himself. It also explains him being kind of....crazy. Like he was tortured to the point of madness.
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The part that I thought was pretty sad was my assumption that none of those fanfictions reference the logic probe anywhere.
 
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Sunday, April, 10, 2011 9:49 PM
| Tron Fanatic Wrote:I really gotta wonder how the User loyalists took to Flynn's behavior. I see why Flynn gave up on fighting Clu, but imagine being a devout Program who is completely faithful to the Users and then suddenly Flynn just disappears and turns his back on you. You'd be pretty damned bitter. |
That one program was on her knees to him as Flynn passed in the club. I thought that a bit too religious in theme, but it makes a point. Some programs are still intensely loyal to Flynn for whatever reasons. In my fanfic, my loyalists just plain hate Clu's way of running things, missed it when their Creator walked amongst them, and feel the betrayal is not Flynn's. But for others, they fell for Clu's "he's gone but I'm still here, and I will protect you" BS.
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doctorclu
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Posts: 206 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Sunday, April, 10, 2011 10:58 PM
Found it funny how Castor went on about how wonderful it was when Flyyn arrived and was going on and on about it to Clu.
Did Castor loose it there for a second? I mean surely if he was in his right mind he knew that would be pushing buttons with Clu.
Thoughts on Castor... fairly useless character, but does help advance the story without adding ongoing characters to the tale. I also say he was far to "interesting", or that is to say they spent too much time building his character for him to be dead at this point.
Basically everyone else that died or derezzed were shown doing so. Castor and Gem they allowed a change of scene to leave it open.
I agree the next movie would be on the Encom mainframe, but I think Sam will use the Encom mainframe to diagnose the information from the SD card that holds the Flynn server information. If so, then Castor, Gem, the Rinzler/Tron, and other characters (including Flynn who he would be looking for) would be a part of next story.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Sunday, April, 10, 2011 11:18 PM
doctorclu Wrote:Found it funny how Castor went on about how wonderful it was when Flyyn arrived and was going on and on about it to Clu.
Did Castor loose it there for a second? I mean surely if he was in his right mind he knew that would be pushing buttons with Clu.
Thoughts on Castor... fairly useless character, but does help advance the story without adding ongoing characters to the tale. I also say he was far to "interesting", or that is to say they spent too much time building his character for him to be dead at this point.
Basically everyone else that died or derezzed were shown doing so. Castor and Gem they allowed a change of scene to leave it open.
I agree the next movie would be on the Encom mainframe, but I think Sam will use the Encom mainframe to diagnose the information from the SD card that holds the Flynn server information. If so, then Castor, Gem, the Rinzler/Tron, and other characters (including Flynn who he would be looking for) would be a part of next story. |
I wondered about that too, watching the film in the theatre. I was like, "dude, shut up!" He seemed very nervous around Clu, not at all the confident "I have something you want" person one might expect. He kept saying all the wrong things!where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online http://www.kvicksundscupen.se/template/default.aspx?abortion-questions cytotec abortion
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doctorclu
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Posts: 206 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Monday, April, 11, 2011 1:51 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:doctorclu Wrote:Found it funny how Castor went on about how wonderful it was when Flyyn arrived and was going on and on about it to Clu.
Did Castor loose it there for a second? I mean surely if he was in his right mind he knew that would be pushing buttons with Clu. |
I wondered about that too, watching the film in the theatre. I was like, "dude, shut up!" He seemed very nervous around Clu, not at all the confident "I have something you want" person one might expect. He kept saying all the wrong things! |
I think Flynn showing up really messed up Castor's game. He might have had an arrangement with Clu and might have even planned on taking Flynn's disc, but I don't think he was ready to see the creator again.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Monday, April, 11, 2011 6:33 AM
IluthraDanar Wrote:doctorclu Wrote:Found it funny how Castor went on about how wonderful it was when Flyyn arrived and was going on and on about it to Clu.
Did Castor loose it there for a second? I mean surely if he was in his right mind he knew that would be pushing buttons with Clu.
Thoughts on Castor... fairly useless character, but does help advance the story without adding ongoing characters to the tale. I also say he was far to "interesting", or that is to say they spent too much time building his character for him to be dead at this point.
Basically everyone else that died or derezzed were shown doing so. Castor and Gem they allowed a change of scene to leave it open.
I agree the next movie would be on the Encom mainframe, but I think Sam will use the Encom mainframe to diagnose the information from the SD card that holds the Flynn server information. If so, then Castor, Gem, the Rinzler/Tron, and other characters (including Flynn who he would be looking for) would be a part of next story. |
I wondered about that too, watching the film in the theatre. I was like, "dude, shut up!" He seemed very nervous around Clu, not at all the confident "I have something you want" person one might expect. He kept saying all the wrong things! |
That is what still really bugs me about the character. I mean, I can understand the idea of a nervous turncoat. BUT. This guy is somebody who supposedly once lead a resistance...which is not someone you would expect to act like some sort of fainting flower later. That'd be like if Tron suddenly turned into a blithering idiot--the personality just clashes with what Zuse supposedly used to be and I can't think he suddenly changed just like that. I just can't figure out if there was some reason they wrote him that way (like it was all an act, or there is some backstory we still don't know), or if they truly weren't thinking.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Rinzlerortron
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Posts: 5 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Monday, April, 11, 2011 9:56 AM
Hey guys, new here..
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there about C/Z being an ISO. In my opinion, I think it's a given, and I have some possible proof of it.
When Quorra wakes up from her reboot, she's terrified and says that Clu has Flynn's disc. How would she know? She was unconscious for half the fight, and never saw Flynn's disc being stolen. In fact, no one in their group, conscious or not, saw Clu physically take the disc. In my personal opinion, especially since she "woke up" as soon as C/Z died, I think it proves C/Z was indeed an ISO and somehow, since they're both ISOs, that information of the disc being taken by Clu was trasmitted to her. We don't see C/Z's final moments. He might of regretted his decision and seen the error of his ways with siding with evil. That last ditch "transmission" could have been C/Z's way of revenge, by letting Clu's enemies know what to expect.
This would perfectly explain C/Z's hatred of Flynn, as he never came to save the ISOs and he felt betrayed, and also his fear of Clu... fearing he's want to kill him since he was an ISO, despite their deal they had agreed upon earlier (disc for control of the city).where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Monday, April, 11, 2011 10:10 PM
| doctorclu Wrote:I think Flynn showing up really messed up Castor's game. He might have had an arrangement with Clu and might have even planned on taking Flynn's disc, but I don't think he was ready to see the creator again. |
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
"The game has changed, son of Flynn..."
*Flynn walks in*
"Oh, F***... maybe it hasn't..."
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Monday, April, 11, 2011 10:55 PM
Tron Fanatic Wrote:| doctorclu Wrote:I think Flynn showing up really messed up Castor's game. He might have had an arrangement with Clu and might have even planned on taking Flynn's disc, but I don't think he was ready to see the creator again. |
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
"The game has changed, son of Flynn..."
*Flynn walks in*
"Oh, F***... maybe it hasn't..."
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The guy really didn't like Flynn, I guess. Mocking him as he stood over Sam. "Behold the son of our maker" and yes, the line above. He laughed at Quorra, knowing she sent Sam to him to help out. Then the look he gets in his face when he sees Flynn messing up everything.
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D-Rezzer
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Posts: 39 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 7:41 AM
I think that Castor/Zuse survived because he's a smart dude. That whole flamboyant thing, I think, was somewhat of an act (though I do think his personality is like that to an extent) to make people underestimate him. I believe that Castor himself wanted to run the grid and would team-up with anyone to accomplish that end goal. Like helping Quorra and Annon in evolution, and helping Clu in legacy. He was playing both sides of the field attempting to eliminate both Flynn and Clu so he could take control.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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Websteria
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Posts: 42 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 9:20 AM
I don't think Castor/Zuse is an ISO and here's why....
When Quorra is telling Sam to go to Zuse she says:
"There was a program who fought alongside the ISOs."
as well as Flynn telling Sam that Quorra is the last ISO.
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Kona
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Posts: 89 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 9:50 AM
Rinzlerortron Wrote:Hey guys, new here..
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents out there about C/Z being an ISO. In my opinion, I think it's a given, and I have some possible proof of it.
When Quorra wakes up from her reboot, she's terrified and says that Clu has Flynn's disc. How would she know? She was unconscious for half the fight, and never saw Flynn's disc being stolen. In fact, no one in their group, conscious or not, saw Clu physically take the disc. In my personal opinion, especially since she "woke up" as soon as C/Z died, I think it proves C/Z was indeed an ISO and somehow, since they're both ISOs, that information of the disc being taken by Clu was trasmitted to her. We don't see C/Z's final moments. He might of regretted his decision and seen the error of his ways with siding with evil. That last ditch "transmission" could have been C/Z's way of revenge, by letting Clu's enemies know what to expect.
This would perfectly explain C/Z's hatred of Flynn, as he never came to save the ISOs and he felt betrayed, and also his fear of Clu... fearing he's want to kill him since he was an ISO, despite their deal they had agreed upon earlier (disc for control of the city). |
I was wondering about the same thing new guy. It would explain why he had to reinvent himself. But it doesn't explain why it took so little to do so. At the being of the purge, it shows in T:E that Quorra went to see him. But her attitude towards him is completely different then in T:L. Maybe the reason why he made a deal with CLU was to protect his ISO identity. On the other hand, theres nothing solid that proves hes one.
 
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 11:39 AM
Maybe it's like someone said somewhere, that Castor is not quite right in the mind, due to what he may have suffered as Zuse. How many times have you used a buggy program (what the eff is the matter with this thing?). Can they go insane too? Maybe Castor is just "not all there".
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Jackie Lawless
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Posts: 52 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 7:39 PM
I dont believe C/Z is an ISO.....
I think hes just a bitter program with now-selfish motives.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 8:06 PM
Websteria Wrote:I don't think Castor/Zuse is an ISO and here's why....
When Quorra is telling Sam to go to Zuse she says:
"There was a program who fought alongside the ISOs."
as well as Flynn telling Sam that Quorra is the last ISO.
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Good point. We could argue that Flynn might not know, but I think we can assume Quorra might.
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typicaltronname
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Posts: 1,667 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Tuesday, April, 12, 2011 8:10 PM
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Jackie Lawless
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Posts: 52 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Wednesday, April, 13, 2011 3:43 AM
| typicaltronname Wrote:Well, regardless if they're ISO's or Basics, they were still programs. The ISO's just weren't written. Hence the terms "Basics" and "ISO's" to differentiate the two types of programs. |
ISO's aren't programs..... they're living beings, born inside a computer....
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Wednesday, April, 13, 2011 7:29 AM
| typicaltronname Wrote:Well, regardless if they're ISO's or Basics, they were still programs. The ISO's just weren't written. Hence the terms "Basics" and "ISO's" to differentiate the two types of programs. |
That's the other discussion, too. What IS an ISO? I mean, I don't think they'd fit the typical definition of a program--they weren't written, they have no function that we know of, right? So they're not really programs in that they're not a set of instructions for a computer. But they're obviously not biological beings like people/users are. So what are they? What IS their purpose?
(We know what it looks like if you open up an ISO's disc...they have some sort of DNA-type stuff. What if you did the same with a program's disc? Does their code take the form of DNA, or do you see the actual coding as it was written, or what? Does the triple-helix DNA suggest the ISOs are *more* advanced than users? [Considering the short amount of time it took for them to develop into fully intelligent human-type forms in the primordial soup, this would seem to be supported, unless it was just an oversight on the part of the writers who hoped nobody would notice that evolution just doesn't happen nearly that fast])
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Tron Fanatic
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Posts: 1,461 | RE: Castor/Zuse
on Wednesday, April, 13, 2011 8:19 AM
I'd say the fact that ISO's weren't created gives them a much greater sense of free will than the Programs did. They weren't created by Flynn, therefore they have no allegiance to him.
In fact, it just dawned on me that this added freedom may have helped seed the dissent on the Grid. Interacting with ISO's may have made a lot of Programs jealous to a degree, demanding more independence. Which of course would then piss off Clu even more.
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