KiaPurity Wrote:On a note, not to be a pervert, but I was kind of ... wtfing at Clu randomly playing with a pair of balls during the disc battle (Rinzler and Sam) (And those balls were never shown again in the movie so I'm not sure if they were specifically for the disc arena or his method of controlling Rinzler o_O)

I have baoding balls at home and they're great exercise for blood circulation for hands and increasing finger strength. It helps with my fencing, typing and writing .

Moreover, I think it was used for control over Rinzler OR it was to show Clu making a meditative decision on what to judge on.

So you have Clu using meditation balls and Flynn using Buddhism. Clu using two balls for duality like a Chinese Emperor would.

i86time Wrote: 6. Why did the opening titles list the film (and the audio of many TV spots) as TRON (no Legacy)? Seems disrespectful to the original.

I thought I only saw just TRON in that sequence also, but I attributed it to not being able to see clearly because the 3d glasses kept slipping down over my regular glasses. So there wasn't Legacy under it after all.

i86time Wrote:A couple questions though: 1. Did anyone else notice a problem with the sound mix? There were times I couldn't hear dialogue over the LFE. During the light cycle start, one of the programs says something to the effect that 'Their bikes are faster. We need to use our" and I didn't hear what the hell he said. That happened more than a few times.

Yes, but it did not seem that bad to me.

2. After Kevin had his disc taken, when they're watching CLU address his guards, he has an identity disc on his back. Where did that come from? Also when Sam battles Rinzler, when Sam throws his disc and Rinzler drops and holds onto the platform, I never saw the disc come back to Sam, yet he had both his and his dad's after the fight.

His disc does come back, you can see it curving around in the blurred out background.

3. Was Castor/Zuse worthless as a character, or is it just me. I mean there could have been any number of other plot devices used to get Sam into the city, why use a guy for 5 minutes? And what is the history with him and Quorra? There seemed like a lot of information was trimmed for this theatrical cut. There has to be something missing. 4. Why pick lame instances to recycle TRON lines? 'Big door', "in the wrists', 'I fight for the users' were great for nostalgia, but seemed contrived. Although, instead of offering Alan a beer, Sam should have made him some popcorn.

Tron Evolution explains Quorra and Zuse's relationship. They just know each other.

5. Anyone want more motivation for what CLU was doing? More deleted scences, hopefully.

Tron Betrayal and Tron Evolution explain this in more detail. Kevin told Clu that he was to create the perfect system. However, since CLU is a programmed to be a direct clone of Kevin Flynn at the time Kevin Flynn created him. As such, CLU cannot have any personality changes or change his perspective on anything because he is programmed to be exactly like Flynn at the time he was created.

6. Why did the opening titles list the film (and the audio of many TV spots) as TRON (no Legacy)? Seems disrespectful to the original.

I don't think that (design-wise) Legacy could have fit under the TRON logo in the opening titles. Otherwise, it was probably just there to induce nostalgia.

7. Did anyone else see the jet battle as a contrived rip-off of SW EP IV when Luke mans the turret?

Yes.

As far as gripes go for me, I honestly wish that the digitizing sequence was longer. That's about it, though.

Perhaps having only Tron in the title was a nod to Star Wars--in all Star Wars flicks, that's the main title (acknowledging, of course, that the secondary title appears as the episode heading of the scrawl).

Regarding the balls that Clu rolls during the disc battle--I think that was how he controlled the orientation and gravity of the arena. The camera focuses on him reversing direction when the orientation flip-flops.

Regarding comments about how certain scenes are "rip-offs" of other movies--I look at scenes like the lightjet fight (which I thought was spectacular) as being homages rather than ripoffs. If it were a ripoff, then all you would have seen would be a ship being chased and a gunner shooting at the enemy ships. This scene had dangerous light trails, treacherous terrain, cool maneuvers, and of course, amazing visuals. I wonder who also considers Flynn's safehouse a "rip-off" of 2001; Kosinski himself referred to it as an homage.

And I would say that the recycled lines from the original Tron are used much better than "I've got a bad feeling about this."

i86time Wrote: I have Betrayal, but purposefully did not crack it open before seeing the film. I'll read it this weekend. What you said was made fairly clear in the film. I'm just wondering why CLU thought ISO's were imperfect and needed to be removed and why certain programs were repurposed and others were allowed to continue unaltered.

tron betrayal also explains that there were grid bugs tearing the grid apart and that clu said they are from the isos appearance on the grid so that he wanted to remove the isos to remove the grid bugs, flynn tells him no because of his interest in the miracle of the isos, this further pushes clu to the edge

BigbadMCP Wrote: Regarding the balls that Clu rolls during the disc battle--I think that was how he controlled the orientation and gravity of the arena. The camera focuses on him reversing direction when the orientation flip-flops.

That makes a lot of sense, but I think he used them as meditation in contrast to Flynn's Buddhist practice of meditation as well.

KiaPurity Wrote: My problem is that the way they ended things in the movie-- it feels like it was an excuse to kill Kevin Flynn off so they don't have to bother with him in a sequel.

Ah, F^*#!, I wish I hadn't read that. Thanks alot. The f'n post says impressions, not spoilers. Again, thanks alot.

( Even though I did make this prediction, I would have preferred to have come to that knowledge by actually watching the movie.)

http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=387014

Murdock.dat Wrote: KiaPurity Wrote: My problem is that the way they ended things in the movie-- it feels like it was an excuse to kill Kevin Flynn off so they don't have to bother with him in a sequel. Ah, F^*#!, I wish I hadn't read that. Thanks alot. The f'n post says impressions, not spoilers. Again, thanks alot. ( Even though I did make this prediction, I would have preferred to have come to that knowledge by actually watching the movie.) http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?a=top&id=387014

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I think pretty much all the remaining files, programs and such from "the grid" was transfered to Sam's memory card.

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My impressions. Bare in mind that like many others here I've been a Tron fan for as long as I can remember and have been dying for a sequel for 20+ years.

The Good:

1. The visuals completely blew me away. I think it's far to say that will be the opinion of everyone who sees it, hate it or love it. They did a superlative job, especially with the action scenes, and I tip my hat to them.

2. The story was great. At first I thought that it would be better to expand into a modern computer system networked or on the internet, but the fact that it was done on Flynn's own server as his "playground" was an excellent idea. I love the way that the villain was fleshed out, and I enjoyed the father/son bits.

3. The nods. There were so many great nods to the original movie, and it was done in a way that fully satisfied our inner fan without seeming like it was there "just because". I love the fact that the Tron movie and arcade games were made because of Flynn, as if it had actually happened. My inner nerd loved "That's a big door" a lot, and my friends, who hadn't seen the movie in a long time, looked at me like I was some weirdo, but that's perfectly fine.

4. Olivia Wilde, Jeff Bridges, and Michael Sheen. They all knocked their performances out of the park, especially Jeff Bridges. Old Flynn acted and sounded just like one would expect him to after being stuck in a computer for 200+ of our years (according to the director in an interview anyway), CLU was voiced very well and it sounds to me like Jeff really did his best to sound younger when playing him and young Flynn. Castor/Zuse was also very interesting, though it's a shame he didn't get much screen time. I would've loved to get some more backstory on him. Quorra was always interesting to see on screen, and not just because she was smoking hot. Her curious, innocent nature was nice.

5. The Grid. Heavily detailed, and phenomenally done. The whole time I was watching, I kept thinking about all of the interesting things this digital world has that would be interesting to discover. There's so much potential to be had, not just in future movies, but in video games as well, to see what else The Grid has to offer.

6. The music. Daft Punk absolutely nailed it. I enjoyed the soundtrack on its own, but as I expected, watching the movie with it made it make perfect sense, and much more enjoyable. Easily the best soundtrack for a movie in a very long time. It's even better in IMAX surround. I picked up lots of other little details listening to it this way that you can't pick up on the CD, especially the intro and end credits. This music demands to be released in a high resolution format in surround! Crappy ol' CD stereo/mp3s just doesn't cut it.

The Okay:

1. CGI Bridges. I can't fault the filmmakers too much just because the technology just isn't there yet. They gave it their best effort, and it didn't detract from the movie too much, but the de-aged Bridges just wasn't convincing for me. The biggest issue is with his mouth. The way that it moves is just too smooth and perfect, not like it does with real people with our subtle, somewhat jerky muscle movements. His skin also had a somewhat waxy tone to it.

2. The camera. There were times in the movie where I really wished the camera would just zoom out a bit and slow down so I could take in the scenery and the action better. Sometimes there's so much going on in such a narrow view that I felt like I was missing a lot, especially during the End of Line Club fight and the first Disc Battle.

It reminded me a bit of some of the fighting from Batman Begins where all you can see is a flurry of action but you have no clue what's going on (though it's not as bad in Tron: Legacy).

3. The costumes. I'm one of those who wished they had stayed with a more detailed look like in the first movie, but after seeing Sam, Quorra, and especially CLU in action, it wasn't too bad. It seemed to fit the look of the movie well. However, there were others that just seemed too real and "human" for the Grid. Gem wearing a regular see through rain coat? Random programs wearing stuff from The Matrix but with a glowy line or two? It took me out of the feel of the movie a bit. One could say that The Grid evolved enough that programs developed some fashion sense, but why would they need or want to?

4. The lack of color variety. The first movie, both in the characters and in the world, had a lot of color in it, even if it was heavily dominated by certain ones. There were blue, red, yellow, and green programs (though most were blue and red), and the world had a lot of shaded color to go along with the glowing outlines (as you can see right here on this site). The Grid in TL and the programs inside it consisted of only two colors: very light blue and yellowish orange. The lack of color variety gave me some level of "Grid fatigue" as the movie progressed and I was hoping to see some more variety to spice things up.

5. Not enough Tron: In a sense you do get plenty of him as Rinzler, but not as his true self. It was nice to see him in the flashback, but at the end of the movie where he regains himself and stops CLU, you're left wondering why the filmmakers saw fit to just let him sink in digital water and just end it there. It didn't seem fair to the character, who the movie is named after, to do something like that. Its like he's an afterthought.

6. Flynn getting killed off (maybe). It sure looked like it, but they may pull off some sort of twist in a sequel. Anyways, I'm torn on the idea. It definitely made for a less predictable ending, but I would've preferred seeing him brought back to the real world to take back Encom and blow everyone's minds. I think that it's just a shame to kill the character off when much more could've been done with him in future sequels, should they ever come to pass.

7. The pacing. There were times in the film where I felt it should've taken more time for a scene, and others where it took too much, making the film's ebb and flow feel awkward.

The Bad:

1. Garrett Hedlund. I was very disappointed by his acting as the lead as it seemed to borrow the same wooden, stilted, awkward "Mannequin Skywalker" method of acting for this role. His character lacked personality (even though there looked to be some shades of it in the beginning before he gets sucked in), and by the middle of the movie it's like he was on auto pilot. Not only was it not entertaining to watch, but it seemed totally out of place for a guy who just got sucked into a computer world, found his dad after not seeing him for 20 years, and has a younger digital version of his dad looking to derez the hell out of him. It's like he just ho-hummed through it all, even in the end when he should've emoted like hell.

2. The ending: I'm not so much troubled by how it ended as to how short the ending was. They did the same thing in the first one and to this day it's bothered me. Just showing a very brief chat with Alan and some motorcycle riding was not at all adequate.

3. No "digital transition" animation: This one is obviously minor in the whole scope of the movie, but what's one of the most memorable moments in the first movie? The animation as Flynn is being digitized, and his journey through the system before he becomes a program. In Legacy, Sam is just zapped, and it's over in the blink of an eye. Not only was that very disappointing, but the fact that a recent South Park episode put more effort into it than they did was just sad.

Anyways, overall, I really liked the movie, though I feel it could've been better. It definitely fufilled it's role in "scratching the itch" for the sequel we've all been waiting forever for, and I the good stuff is so good that, if you're open and willing enough, you can look past the mediocre to bad stuff and enjoy it.

Here's hoping the sequel improves on the imperfections of this one.