Wow, some of you guys have some serious entitlement issues, I think.

Again, I don't know how many of you Tron collectors actually collect other toys, but as said by numerous members here, this kind of thing happens all the time. I can tell you first hand of the "300" Leonidas figure I have with no Xerses, Freddy Kreuger and no Nancy, boat loads of Angs and no Kitara or Toph in the animated Avatar line, not to mention countless delays and cancellations from various lines still running strong today.

To the person bordering on outrage a few pages back, citing the Castor issue was so far along, it was inexcusable for SM to do what they did, do a Google search on "Neca Kill Bill O-Ren". Were fans upset about it at the time, sure. Did they blame Neca and stop buying their products? No. S*** happens, get over it.

To others pulling out their hair over SM's decision to destroy these figures, do you know how many companies discard prototypes, mock-ups, production samples, and even finished pieces for whatever reason? Why not offer them to fans? Did you know that Blockbuster (used to) destroy DVD's in a "scratching machine" before they tossed them in the garbage? Why not just give them away? Why do cable companies install devices to stop subscribers from getting the premium channels when it would cost them nothing to just let the signal go through? There's a reason for everything. Does it always make sense, no, but it is what it is, and it most certainly isn't SM's fault in this particular case. What, you think they don't want to make money?!

Like I said before, you should consider yourselves lucky. In most cases you would have been looking at a Series 1 and a couple Light Cycles. Maybe that's what SM should have produced initially to test the waters before going balls out, but what's done is done. Consider ID discs, the 6", Light Jets, and all the rest a gift.

On behalf of the level-headed, I'd like to apologize to Wheat for some of the less tactful members here. You can tell SM for me, I appreciate the nostalgic ride over the past few months. It was real blast, man!

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wow, that's like the WORST internet drama argument I've ever read. And I've read quite a few. Pathetic really.

Not to call anyone out or anything.


But can we PLEASE get back to talking about toys.

I'm pretty sure that NO ONE else cares about the fights between you two or three or four

Wheat - here's something I'm actually interested in knowing:

Why did SM go with three different (four if you count the action packs) scales of figures when past movie-connected toy lines have failed miserably at retail with multiple scales?

What was the corporate thinking behind that? I mean, if it was just to get the holographic technology out there, why have the 6 inch line all together - or was that just to his a certain price point? If that's the case, why have the 12 inch line?

In this day and age of expensive plastic and tooling without using a buck system, having 3 scales seems like a complete waste of time and money.

Having one or two scales may not have saved the line, but without the 6" or 12" scale more effort could have been put into making the 3 3/4" scale (which has once again become the most popular scale for figures - being that we're repeating the oil crisis of the 70's that begat Micronauts and Star Wars). order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

LWSrocks Wrote:I agree with DevRevenge, although I'm more curious as to why they do those things at all. Why destroy the DVDs before throwing them out, when they can just throw them out? Why rip the covers off the guides before disposing of them, when they can just dispose of them?

Because people search through the garbage for that stuff.

It's their right as it's their property. I just wonder about the reasoning. Wheat said they couldn't sell the figure for legal reasons, but if that is the case why would they make 300 before they had the legal right to sell them? Chicken and egg, it doesn't matter in the scheme of things.

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wheat king Wrote: CorrupTron Wrote:Yup. They advertised the product on the back of the packages with no intention of making it. A company like Hasbro or Mattel would have recalled all product to fix their mistake and issue correcting packaging. Suck Master didn't care. We have the advantage as avid collectors to know what goes on behind the scenes but some average Joe Kid somewhere will probably be frustrated they can't find Castor anywhere not knowing that he was never even available. Actually, Spinmaster had every intention of making it. Castor would have been in wave 3 with the Battle Damage Black Guard and Tron (white Rinzler). In fact, Castor was one of my favorite figures, so yea, I'm also upset he never made it to market.

Yeah I know, you guys made about 300 of them, put them in the S2 case packs, then pulled them out due to legal issues which were resolved and then destroyed them after you guys decided to abandon the line altogether. I'd say there was an obligation to at least fulfill putting the already produced and advertised Castor out there as the last fulfillment of the license since everyone was already anticipating him but Suck Masters had absolutely no intention at that point of fulfilling it.
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There are a number of comapnies that destroy product rather than let it out into the wild. The ones that come to mind immediately are book stores who "strip' the covers off of books, mail them back to their distributors for returns.

Look, I've worked in the retail world, on both sides as a buyer and a front line retailer. And I'm telling you this stuff goes on ALL THE TIME. Product gets solicited, perhaps even made and then doesn't get to retail. It happens in every segment of retail, games, toys, clothes, etc. Just because Spin Masters couldn't fulfill ONE STINKING FIGURE, that let's face it had a limited desirability in the first place, doesn't mean the company sucks (I have issues with a number of their decisions, but to single out Castor as the main reason why you don't like SM is just juvenile).

Let's face it, we can pretty much ASSume that SM took a bath on the Tron license. By the time that they actually COULD have released Castor they had already decided to give up on the product line, so putting out another 300 figures would have cost them more money than it was worth. Could they have done something else with the figures? Perhaps thrown them up on eBay for charity? Sure, but they decided that they didn't want to go that route, perhaps they aren't set up for that. Who knows.

BUT THE SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT is baffling. You aren't OWED anything. Get over it already. You didn't get the one Tron figure you wanted, boo-hoo. Make a custom. I mean is it THAT important to you? Because as much as I like Tron and I enjoy the figures, the lack of a real "Tron" is more important to me than the lack of a Castor figure, who had what, 10 minutes of screen time?


Completism is a disease, The urge to buy everything just because you want a "full set" will kill relationships and make you miserable. You're far better off realizing that in the end it's just a thing, it's not that important to your life and happiness.


This is a great article that I dug up (I remember reading it when it was new) that pretty much illustrates my point entirely. Granted it's about comics, but it works:

http://jordynmarcellus.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/liefeldandfanculture/



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Hasbro passed on the Tron license. No way they'd want it for Tron 3. Likely a smaller collectibles niche company like Neca since Tron doesn't have the mass retail longevity that Suck Masters was hoping for.

Swann Wrote: CorrupTron Wrote:Hasbro passed on the Tron license. No way they'd want it for Tron 3. Likely a smaller collectibles niche company like Neca since Tron doesn't have the mass retail longevity that Suck Masters was hoping for. They passed because it was unsure how the public would digest this movie. Since it was a hit, I forsee a larger reatiler taking the reins. Although Neca is a great co, you don't see their products lining the shelves at Target and Walmart.

That's my point. Suck Masters dropped the line because sales did not meet their expectations at the retail level. That's why Hasbro and Mattel passed. You think Hasbro is going to mass market Tron 3 toys after Suck Masters dropped Tron Legacy? They don't want to be left with tons of product rotting in their warehouses like there was with Indiana Jones. I can tell you any toys produced for Tron 3 we will see in a much more diminished capacity.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

KSC Wrote:Wow, some of you guys have some serious entitlement issues, I think. Again, I don't know how many of you Tron collectors actually collect other toys, but as said by numerous members here, this kind of thing happens all the time. I can tell you first hand of the "300" Leonidas figure I have with no Xerses, Freddy Kreuger and no Nancy, boat loads of Angs and no Kitara or Toph in the animated Avatar line, not to mention countless delays and cancellations from various lines still running strong today. To the person bordering on outrage a few pages back, citing the Castor issue was so far along, it was inexcusable for SM to do what they did, do a Google search on "Neca Kill Bill O-Ren". Were fans upset about it at the time, sure. Did they blame Neca and stop buying their products? No. S*** happens, get over it. To others pulling out their hair over SM's decision to destroy these figures, do you know how many companies discard prototypes, mock-ups, production samples, and even finished pieces for whatever reason? Why not offer them to fans? Did you know that Blockbuster (used to) destroy DVD's in a "scratching machine" before they tossed them in the garbage? Why not just give them away? Why do cable companies install devices to stop subscribers from getting the premium channels when it would cost them nothing to just let the signal go through? There's a reason for everything. Does it always make sense, no, but it is what it is, and it most certainly isn't SM's fault in this particular case. What, you think they don't want to make money?! Like I said before, you should consider yourselves lucky. In most cases you would have been looking at a Series 1 and a couple Light Cycles. Maybe that's what SM should have produced initially to test the waters before going balls out, but what's done is done. Consider ID discs, the 6", Light Jets, and all the rest a gift. On behalf of the level-headed, I'd like to apologize to Wheat for some of the less tactful members here. You can tell SM for me, I appreciate the nostalgic ride over the past few months. It was real blast, man!

QFT. Agreed 100%. Yah I'm bummed that series 3 got cut short. But I do enjoy what I was able to get at least.