basic.exe Wrote:User #2? Ed Dillinger. Totally.

(nodding) bingo. Henceforth, one of my early theories. How insidious is that if he really is in there all those years?

yeah yeah yeah yeah, but my idea is cooler.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote: TronGate Wrote:Going on the idea of dialing in, in the 80's, to connect to any remote server you had to dial in using the phone line, which you can see in the 1983 movie WarGames...The only way that Alan could get a page is if the server connected itself to the phone line (It could be done internally if it was always physically connected, a port would only have to be opened) then someone could remotely dial in from their system. If someone else made a digitizer gun (Alan) then he could digitize into his server, then connect and transfer to Flynn's. OK, for those of you who are not familiar with basic UNIX user naming: User:Basic access, can not change system setting. Root User:Someone who can access and change everything. I would think that Flynn would have Root access because it was his server... but because Clu has taken over I think he has adopted Root level access. Depending on the servers definition of user, (Anyone with that access, or human users) it could mean Flynn and Clu, Flynn and Alan, or Flynn and ???. I think what would be the best would be that Alan sent an updated version of Tron to Flynn's server threw the open port.... 8 days before Sam went in (It would explain the "8 days up" on Flynn's computer) to try to help Flynn. Just my idea. I do recall the old style phone modems in the 80s but by 1989-90, modem technology changed to the point where they became small switchboxes attached to a phone line. All one had to do is put the line into it, Press the ON button and then type in the phone number to dial in as in: DIALxxx-xxx-xxxx Considering that Flynn is probably a very clever man, he must've had a dial up modem as a back door in case of anything. Flynn as a Root User makes sense since this was his playground until Clu took it over and bumped him off. In a sense, Clu is getting his priorities out of whack and is like a son without morality and guidance. Almost to the point that he's like a spoiled overgrown 'man child'. Somewhat. I'll bet you he wanted to see his other brother and made that call to trick Alan into nudging Sam to that direction. But on the other hand, I'll bet it was one of Flynn's buddies who snuck the phone message out of the grid.

The type of connection your talking about is an Out of Band connection.. Network techs will always install one in a network/server configuration that needs off-site monitoring even when the main internet connection is down. Typically the dial up account tied to that connection has root or at least admin access to be able to correct problems, such as a corrupted driver or reinstalling an application.

My personal theory on thsi is the 2nd user is not Alan. Notice there hasn't been much news on Sam's mom other than she is dead...What if the writers took the tron2.0 approach and she is actually integrated into the system some how aka ma3a. She could be the system kernel or something similar and have root access. It would explain her absence and the 2 users logged in.

IsoLine Wrote: The type of connection your talking about is an Out of Band connection.. Network techs will always install one in a network/server configuration that needs off-site monitoring even when the main internet connection is down. Typically the dial up account tied to that connection has root or at least admin access to be able to correct problems, such as a corrupted driver or reinstalling an application. My personal theory on thsi is the 2nd user is not Alan. Notice there hasn't been much news on Sam's mom other than she is dead...What if the writers took the tron2.0 approach and she is actually integrated into the system some how aka ma3a. She could be the system kernel or something similar and have root access. It would explain her absence and the 2 users logged in. Well, they have mentioned that Sam's Mom died in a car accident. While that could be a subterfuge for a digitizing death I think they are sticking to an unglamorous "dead mother" story and ignoring the events of TRON 2.0...After all, Alan Bradley is married to Lori Baines in this new tron universe so if Lori is still alive and married to Alan, then the whole death by digitizing idea must not have been attractive to the producers. I do however wonder if Alan and Lori have any children.....That so far has not been divulged, so there could be a Jet Bradley that we just haven't heard about yet.

I wants thinking that they would be following the tron 2.0 story just borrowing 1 element of it.

even if she died in a car wreck still doesn't mean Flynn didnt put her in his world in her dying moments. admittedly the logistics of that would be a bit cumbersome at best. There is also the idea that she may have contributed to the world Flynn was trying to create in the digital realm. If so Im sure there would be a program or 2 (or a high level process like a system kernel) with her likeness and personality, aka Lora to Yori.

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I used to do support for Unix, but it's been a while so I'm very rusty. That screen with the '2 users' is the output of a Unix command named top, it gives a dynamic view on what is going on in the system.

The list at the bottom of the window is a list of processes, so we only see processes that are being run by root so we don't have a 'clu' who the other user is. Somewhere further down that list are processes running under a different user, but that doesn't automatically mean it is somebody other than Kevin Flynn.

As root you can open a shell and do a switch user command (su) to another account and run things. A server to start up a process at boot time and have it run under a different user's account than root as well. Many software packages require setting up a user specific for that application and having that account run something in the background from boot time so I'm a little surprised that the number of users is so low.

The 8 days uptime is interesting, it doesn't have to be a conflict with the counter if the counter has the date/time to start counting from stored in a file so after a shutdown/restart it can read that date and calculate the time to the present from that.

Given the attention to detail in this (the CPU is a i386) I'm not inclined to think of the 8 days as a goof. What if Kevin Flynn was digitized, then the server shut down right after? He may have deliberately put himself in the system expecting to pop back out in a short while, but couldn't when the server was shut down. What would it be like in the Tron world then? Would he still be there when the server booted back up? Would his digital self age while the server was offline? Would everything be in limbo, or would he be able to do something as a user to prevent that (like create a safe house)? How long is 8 days in the digial world? Who would have restarted the server 8 days ago, Flynn from inside, or somebody external?

Kia it could well be that the actor that played Dillinger did not like Tron Maybe he was used to being in large productions where they had large amount of things going on. And had a hard time imagining what was going on in the computer. Its like programming a computer some people where as some do understand it like myself who have already learnt on how to program and tell the computer on how to do some things and give the outpu. I am sure that you can whip me through like crazy as being a librarian Where as I would be asking like that goes where and with what widget?? and interfaces with the whatchamfractich?

Data_pusher. Could be the good old fashion uptime command. I had shown a command from my linux machine over here that had given similar results over here. Showing two users and how long that the computer has been up.

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Kia- I think it was n the 20th anniversary edition in the add on's in rhe second cd there. I could be wrong r maybe misinterpreting it as well. I think there was one actor who was suspose to play sark and thought that there was going to be like one of the grand kind of thing where they had a large set and all that. But wasn't any of that and ha a hard time in imagining it for the movie. I think Dave may have mentioned it since he was used to large productions of what ever he was used to get into in his career. I don't know if the second dvd was encoded with the text to be played back o it though.I'll have to pull it out to find out where and in which chapter it is in for you to make sure of this. I don't want to go off in a tangent. Or is that Cosine??? Or maybe cosecant maybe. starts going to my tabe with my favoirute drink and starts mathematizing.

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I dont know if this idea was already posted, and I am a little lazy to check xD


But what if Kevin Flynn is the user in there?

That could explain his "godliness" to the digital world he made, because he could control everything in it from the computer.