HooDooMan
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on Saturday, July, 24, 2010 11:01 PM
I don't know if this was brought up in a previous thread. If so, I apologize for the repeat post. But I don't recall this being discussed.
In this most recent trailer (and also the previous teaser trailer) when Sam enters Kevin's workshop in the arcade and finds the mainframe, he wipes away the dust, and the uptime counter goes away, and we see a shot of the screen of active command windows.
After studying the onscreen data in that shot, I noticed something peculiar. It's kind of hard to make out, but it shows TWO USERS logged in to the mainframe server.
I took a screenshot and highlighted the area I'm talking about. I hope it displays correctly below:
TWO users? Hmm...
This is a STANDALONE server, so wouldn't that mean that a second user would have to be physically logged in there in the workshop?
I thought Kevin was the only person who knew about it? (I'm assuming he was the only one, but I could be wrong on that.)
So the big question is WHO IS THE SECOND USER??
Is this second user preventing Kevin's escape?
This could be nothing, and I may be making more out of this than there really is, but I find it interesting to think of this as a possible clue to what really happened to Kevin Flynn. I guess we'll all find out in December.
But in the meantime, does anyone else have any thoughts or theories on this? I'd like to hear other people's take on this. 
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on Saturday, July, 24, 2010 11:05 PM
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neomanga
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Posts: 354 | Re: Two Users
on Saturday, July, 24, 2010 11:15 PM
It also says "Up 8 days"... Could someone else have found that server 8 days ago, in the film time, if there's a "2nd User" on there?
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HooDooMan
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on Saturday, July, 24, 2010 11:34 PM
| neomanga Wrote:It also says "Up 8 days"... Could someone else have found that server 8 days ago, in the film time, if there's a "2nd User" on there? |
I saw that, and was a bit puzzled by that too, neomanga.
The "Up 8 days" could be just a process "up time" maybe? I don't know.
But I would think that the dust would have been disturbed if there had been another user there in the previous 8 days.
Also, just before Sam wipes away the dust, there is a screenshot that shows a system uptime counter of 20:11:20:16:22:16:34 and increasing, which means the server has been up for 20 years, 11 months, 20 days...and so on.
So yeah, the "Up 8 days" is puzzling to me.
I've read discussions elsewhere on the internet talking about the operating system in the screenshot being a version of Solaris OS for Unix, SolarOS. If I recall, they were basically making fun of it, as the configuration as displayed doesn't exist and would be an impossibility, or something of the sort. I don't know anything about Unix, so it could have fooled me. LOL!
So maybe it's all just a wash, and a certain amount of "suspend your disbelief" is in order.
It may not mean anything, but what if it does? 
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VRAM
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Posts: 394 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 12:02 AM
Yeah, I too tried getting some feedback on this a couple of months ago here but those 2 logged users in this Solar OS (not Solaris really but what seemed like a custom Unix-based OS programmed by Flynn himself) didn't make sense when you keep reading and look at the list of USERS... there are more than 2 and all of them are "root". Other thing is that there exist 196 tasks but just 2 are running... Makes me wonder what are those...
You need to check out the COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL TRON TIMELINE!
Meanwhile in the real world... the controller feeds the shift clock to the VRAM's video port. Each shift clock pulse causes the VRAM to deliver the next datum, in strict address order, from the shift-register to the video port... Next frame-buffer data: Who created users?
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jtr7
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Posts: 71 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 12:25 AM
Thanks for the pointing that data out, HooDooMan.
Both Flynns are the two users. One in, one out. Kevin logged on, and never logged off, and then Sam logged on, too. If not, I'll guess Alan Bradley. Until I see the film, Bruce's acting that I've seen so far really makes me think he knows something. Every scene and viral video/event with him has him acting a bit strangely outside the specific context of the moment. I fully admit it could very well just be me. I would not be surprised in the least if Alan has been acting as curator, and has been instructed by Kevin Flynn about his intentions, and it would make me feel better to know that someone, anyone, was keeping that mainframe powered-up and that location off-limits from the city planners, etc.
I'll have to see the film to see how they cover the bases and whether what I sense from Bruce is what I suspect it is or not.
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neomanga
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Posts: 354 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 12:30 AM
True, if someone found the computer 8 days earlier, you would see some sort of disturbance in the dust.
And if that is a ply to make fun of another OS, then lol  It could have fooled me too.
but, now thinking, the "Up 8 days" could have been 8 days of someone trying to contact the outside world. Like maybe Flynn somehow paging Alan. That could be a possiblity. Or, it could have been the "2nd User".
All that may not mean anything, like you said HooDooMan, but it may be something. A tiny detail like that could mean something big.
To Vram, I saw in your thread, and one part about time and the time Flynn experiences (or something like that), and with the recent enstalment from the HelloFlynn site, Flynn states that one human year is equal to 1,000 years his system time. that would mean that Flynn, not counting his "on earth years" is about 21,000 years old, being stuck in the system.
But I don't know what to make of the list of users. Could have been a copy of previous Encom users from the original film. But I'm not sure. Too much dust to fully read the screen properly. Also, about the tasks, I wonder if the "tasks" are between Flynn, and Clu... Does make you wonder...
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HooDooMan
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Posts: 585 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 1:34 AM
I found a page that talks about this screenshot here:
http://www.c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6408-SolarOS.html
From one comment, it seems that the "8 days uptime" means that the server (somehow) powered itself up 8 days prior and eventually sent out the mysterious message to Alan.
Of course that conflicts with the 20 years, 11 months, etc. elapsed time we see before Sam wipes the dust away.
VRAM, I don't know much about Unix-based OS stuff, but I'm thinking that list of all the "root" items we see are actually commands that are running and the "user" is the system itself, the "root". I think it's kind of like when you're looking at the Task Manager in Windows and look at the Processes tab, it shows the User Name as "SYSTEM", same analogy.
jtr7, I agree that Alan has acted a bit strangely in the scenes we see him in. Especially the way he says, "Wouldn't that be something," in the teaser trailer. It's almost as if he knows more than he's letting on.
neomanga, I like your line of thinking that it could be 8 days of someone trying to contact the outside world. Hence the sudden strange page Alan received.
Another thought along those lines is, if a page was made (from inside the server), that means its connected to a phone line of some sort. If that's the case, maybe a second user could "dial in" and log on to the server that way...
Oh and I thought I read that Kosinski stated that there is a time dilation effect in the server compared to the real world, that "time scales about 50 times faster" in the server than in the real world, so 20 years in the real world is like 1000 years in the server. So I think it's more on the order of 1000 years as opposed to 21,000 years. I could be wrong on that, but I thought I read that somewhere. Regardless, it's a LONG TIME. And as Flynn says to Sam, "You have NO IDEA."
Ya know, that's probably a good summation for what we all really "know" about this movie...we "have no idea." LOL!
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Pilgrim1099
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Posts: 606 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 8:26 AM
I'm NOT very surprised about the theory of two users in the system. Thanks for pointing this screenshot out. I greatly suspect the other user is someone that's been manipulating things behind Clu and Kevin Flynn on the grid.
It can't be Alan Bradley, though because the screen shows two ACTIVE users on the server. It's like going on a website and seeing how many users are on right now. If you logged off Tron-Sector, that's one user less on the value scale.
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The other problem I have now is if ENCOM is still using the Tron system, how the hell can Tron enter Flynn's private server in his arcade inner sanctum then?
The private server is locked down and isolated so that no one can get in or out. So who really controls the digitizer?
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Pilgrim1099
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on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 8:48 AM
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Clu is possibly a user-program, but he can't evolve any more than that. Keep in mind that in the first movie, the MCP had access to the digitizer and used it on Flynn.
Clu 2.0 is now filling the shoes of the MCP.
The only explanation for the two users is that Clu has attained human DNA from Flynn since he is now a clone. Here's a more interesting question. Does Clue have the memories of Kevin Flynn's life from the real world? on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online
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TronGate
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Posts: 47 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 9:03 AM
Going on the idea of dialing in, in the 80's, to connect to any remote server you had to dial in using the phone line, which you can see in the 1983 movie WarGames...The only way that Alan could get a page is if the server connected itself to the phone line (It could be done internally if it was always physically connected, a port would only have to be opened) then someone could remotely dial in from their system. If someone else made a digitizer gun (Alan) then he could digitize into his server, then connect and transfer to Flynn's.
OK, for those of you who are not familiar with basic UNIX user naming:
User:Basic access, can not change system setting.
Root User:Someone who can access and change everything.
I would think that Flynn would have Root access because it was his server... but because Clu has taken over I think he has adopted Root level access. Depending on the servers definition of user, (Anyone with that access, or human users) it could mean Flynn and Clu, Flynn and Alan, or Flynn and ???.
I think what would be the best would be that Alan sent an updated version of Tron to Flynn's server threw the open port.... 8 days before Sam went in (It would explain the "8 days up" on Flynn's computer) to try to help Flynn.
Just my idea.
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TronGate
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on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 9:12 AM
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Pilgrim1099
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Posts: 606 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 9:14 AM
TronGate Wrote:Going on the idea of dialing in, in the 80's, to connect to any remote server you had to dial in using the phone line, which you can see in the 1983 movie WarGames...The only way that Alan could get a page is if the server connected itself to the phone line (It could be done internally if it was always physically connected, a port would only have to be opened) then someone could remotely dial in from their system. If someone else made a digitizer gun (Alan) then he could digitize into his server, then connect and transfer to Flynn's.
OK, for those of you who are not familiar with basic UNIX user naming:
User:Basic access, can not change system setting.
Root User:Someone who can access and change everything.
I would think that Flynn would have Root access because it was his server... but because Clu has taken over I think he has adopted Root level access. Depending on the servers definition of user, (Anyone with that access, or human users) it could mean Flynn and Clu, Flynn and Alan, or Flynn and ???.
I think what would be the best would be that Alan sent an updated version of Tron to Flynn's server threw the open port.... 8 days before Sam went in (It would explain the "8 days up" on Flynn's computer) to try to help Flynn.
Just my idea.
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FusionAddict
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Posts: 450 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 3:55 PM
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Posts: 3,488 | Re: Two Users
on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 9:13 PM
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on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 10:30 PM
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Qix77
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on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 11:03 PM
SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: Tron now lives in the swampy part of the system and has grown old and green. He teaches Sam the way of the Disc where Sam asks "Is he my father?".
Later, Quorra doesn't think she is at Comic Con anymore and joins a scarecrow, a heartless robot, and big nasty cat that sheds hair all over the place. They go see the wonder program of the system that is played by that guy from Automan.
We then find Sam and Quorra fight each other at the thunderdome where Tina Turner sings "What's Love Got To Do With It".
After all is said and done, we find out what really happened to the cast of LOST.
.... and that is how it ends.
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on Sunday, July, 25, 2010 11:08 PM
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