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TronGods
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Gem might still be alive!?!?

on Wednesday, January, 16, 2013 5:57 PM
In Tron legacy, During Clu's speech to his army of guards on his ship, shortly after Quorra was captured by Rinzler and escorted upstairs, the camera moves from Clu and zooms in on the face of one of the guards in the crowd. The reflection of Clu talking is apparent in the guard's visor. If you look closely, you can tell that the guard has a woman's facial features and even seems to be wearing the same silverish lip-stick that Gem wears. The more that I see that part of the movie, the more that guard begins to look like Gem. I am aware that we are supposed to believe that both Gem and Castor perished in the End of Line club explosion, but the extended delay between the setting of the charges and the actual explosion leads me to believe that maybe Gem and Castor escaped only to be caught and repurposed later. I have looked everywhere online for an answer to this puzzling idea but no one has seemed to ponder this idea. Any ideas???????????????


 
MCPcomputer
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on Wednesday, January, 16, 2013 6:15 PM

This is a great possibility....
I hope she's alive... I love Gem.
She was really pretty in the movie...

I think Kevin Flynn is also alive somewhere IN one of those memories !

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on Wednesday, January, 16, 2013 11:43 PM
MCPcomputer Wrote:
This is a great possibility....
I hope she's alive... I love Gem.
She was really pretty in the movie...

I think Kevin Flynn is also alive somewhere IN one of those memories !

You're aware that if that guard was, in fact, her, she would have no personality other than SERVE CLU, right?


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Kat
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on Thursday, January, 17, 2013 12:26 AM
TRON.dll Wrote:
You're aware that if that guard was, in fact, her, she would have no personality other than SERVE CLU, right?

Didn't have a whole hell of a lot of personality to begin with??

What do you want? I'm busy.


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KingJ.exe
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on Thursday, January, 17, 2013 12:46 AM
Not to mention that whole transport was destroyed in CLU and Flynn's reintegration?

Everybody go join End of Line, an awesome TRON Roleplay forum! http://troneol.b1.jcink.com/index.php?
 
TronGods
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on Thursday, January, 17, 2013 2:01 AM
True True..even if she did survive the bombs at the end of line club, the explosion from the reintegration would have definately taken her out. shes still sexy tho!!!!!!!


 
MCPcomputer
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on Thursday, January, 17, 2013 3:21 PM

Damm it she only served CLU. Then still got blasted at the end..

Oh well back to the old drawing Grid.

She was super sexy! I wanted to marry her.

Oh well back to the dead zone sectors for me.

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Traahn
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 9:26 AM
A side-by-side screenshot of guard vs. Gem would be cool to see if OP or anyone gets around to it. I will try to do someday if I remember and have a chance to do so. I'm not able at the moment


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laphtiya
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 9:51 AM
Kat Wrote:
TRON.dll Wrote:
You're aware that if that guard was, in fact, her, she would have no personality other than SERVE CLU, right?

Didn't have a whole hell of a lot of personality to begin with??

Agreed, to be honest yeah okay the actress is attractive but in terms of the Tron universe she had completed her purpose, there is no real value in keeping this character.


 
Traahn
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 12:20 PM
I disagree (RE: no personality). She had a personality; just apparently one you didn't like. I didn't mind her character, and I bought into her acting. Rinzler only follows orders, digitally purrs and does parkour. Yet you were okay with his personality somehow, right?

Not everyone in life (or especially the computer, or in a movie) is or needs to be outgoing, flamboyant, witty, quirky or in the spotlight showing off mad skillz to have a personality, imo.


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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 12:47 PM
Gem is a jerk. She barely even mentioned that he was going to be fighting to the death. The way she says "proceed to games" makes it sound like all good fun, even though he was just arrested and forced into it. He wasn't forced to move forward past the armory, and there weren't any guards at that point. I don't see why she wouldn't be able to say more about what he's getting into.


 
Traahn
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 1:54 PM
The guard who has Clu reflected in the helmet looks totally male, imo, and nothing about his face looks like Gem.


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MCPcomputer
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 2:50 PM

Oh well maybe she is not alive...
well it's sad..
one of the best female programs.
and she winds up being blasted to bits...

END OF LINE

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TRON.dll
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 2:58 PM
Kat Wrote:
TRON.dll Wrote:
You're aware that if that guard was, in fact, her, she would have no personality other than SERVE CLU, right?

Didn't have a whole hell of a lot of personality to begin with??

True, I guess now she would have more personality! That's a definite plus!


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Argent
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 3:19 PM
Traahn Wrote:I disagree (RE: no personality). She had a personality; just apparently one you didn't like. I didn't mind her character, and I bought into her acting. Rinzler only follows orders, digitally purrs and does parkour. Yet you were okay with his personality somehow, right?

Not everyone in life (or especially the computer, or in a movie) is or needs to be outgoing, flamboyant, witty, quirky or in the spotlight showing off mad skillz to have a personality, imo.


She has a personality, yes. Everyone has a personality. I think what Kat was getting at here is that Gem just isn't a very compelling character. She isn't "outgoing, flamboyant, witty, quirky or in the spotlight showing off mad skillz", which meant there wasn't much apart from her appearance to make her stand out. With Rinzler, there was at least that suggestion of an internal conflict to give him some depth, even if that was given far too little screen time. Gem seemed to exist for no other purpose than to advance the plot - there was nothing to suggest that she had a life outside the frame.

There was definitely room for more character development with Gem, even in the little time they allotted for her. Why was she working for/with Castor, anyway? What did she hope to gain from the arrangement? Just a little dialogue between them to hint at the nature of their relationship would've done wonders for her as a character, IMO. As it was, she came off as little more than set dressing.




 
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 4:53 PM
Please. Castor/Zues is too much of a cunning slimeball NOT to have a backup plan for that kind of contingency. He's far from an idiot; he would have to factor in the idea that Administrator Clu would backstab him. End of Line probably has several escape tunnels - all well-hidden and "off the books"

It's an entire universe in there, one we created, but it's beyond us now. Really. It's outgrown us. You know, every time you shut off your computer...do you know what you're doing? Have you ever reformatted a hard drive? Deleted old software? Destroyed an entire universe?"

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Kat
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 9:01 PM
Traahn Wrote:I disagree (RE: no personality). She had a personality; just apparently one you didn't like. I didn't mind her character, and I bought into her acting. Rinzler only follows orders, digitally purrs and does parkour. Yet you were okay with his personality somehow, right?

Not everyone in life (or especially the computer, or in a movie) is or needs to be outgoing, flamboyant, witty, quirky or in the spotlight showing off mad skillz to have a personality, imo.

Nah. I "don't like" Clu's personality. I can't find anything to dislike in Gem's personality except her lack of same. The first time we see/hear her, she's behaving like an automaton. She speaks about ten sentences in the entire film, and never once does she show any sign of thinking for herself, nor of actually *doing* anything. First she's just a robotic Armory worker, and then she's just Zustor's pawn; she dutifully brings him Sam (with very little dialogue) and then goes and sits in the corner enigmatically. The most interesting thing we get out of her is an eye roll when Jarvis tries to hit on her. Otherwise, all she does is pretty much sit around and act like eye candy. I have yet to figure out why she was even necessary in the film, or what she had to do with Zustor at all.

I'm not real happy with the Rinzler character, either, but at least his lack of personality is the POINT of the character. Gem? No excuse.



CardioFunk Wrote:Gem is a jerk. She barely even mentioned that he was going to be fighting to the death. The way she says "proceed to games" makes it sound like all good fun, even though he was just arrested and forced into it. He wasn't forced to move forward past the armory, and there weren't any guards at that point. I don't see why she wouldn't be able to say more about what he's getting into.

Well, I'm sure it's not her job to do so. And remember, the programs are all pretty well-versed on what the Games entail, I'm sure. Nobody had any idea Sam doesn't know. I daresay that's his own damn fault-- if someone tells me my main objective in something I'm about to do is "survive," I'm sure as hell going to be apprehensive and not gonna just go bopping in there like he does (and oh yeah, he does. Watch him walk-- he looks like he hasn't got a care in the world. You're not walking into a rave, dude. But then his attitude throughout the whole thing is surprisingly casual, so...)

What do you want? I'm busy.


Program, please!


Chaos.... good news.
 
Traahn
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 10:04 PM
Gem was extremely necessary. Otherwise, this sofa would have been empty:




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Argent
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on Friday, January, 18, 2013 11:03 PM
You know your character's personality is lacking when the best thing you can think of to say about her is, "Damn, she looks good sitting on a couch."


 
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