I think Argent and Biff really hit it on the nail here... While we would all like to see a TRON-inspired park (trust me, I would quit my job and apply for one there!), Avatar was the bigger money-maker in the end, and as mentioned, a cultural "phenomenon" (not happy about it either, but oh well). If TRON had the same ranking, I have no doubt they would be clearing land in Florida to build The Grid.

But hey, even though it was temporary, at least we had ElecTRONica! Perhaps we'll see another TRON-inspired park (or at least a section) again someday.

Or maybe we'll master quantum teleportation, and get to visit the real Grid!

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Seraphim5 Wrote:Exactly in what way does Disney making Avatar hype betray TRON? Two separate movies, two separate Fandoms. the difference is the Fandoms' sizes and thus the income they provide. Fact is Tron Fandom is, while a sizable amount, still quite small. But Avatar has a huge fanbase and a huge following. And this means an avatar section would make much more than a TRON section...this is a (sad i admit) fact we must face...not a betrayal. I myself saw Avatar and must say it wasn't as good as TRON in my opinion, but I'm sure some Avatar fans would say the exact opposite when asked about TRON. We gotta face facts...hard as they may be to swallow.

You make a good point, but I feel that the TRON fans are being betrayed due to each properties relevance within the company.

TRON still has decent Blu-Ray sales and an animated series coming out in Jan. . . Avatar was a one hit wonder they didn't even have the rights to yet.

Tron should've been their first priority or at least taken care of first (or addressed at least somewhat, you had an entire convention! really?).

It just comes off as an odd thing to do in my mind. They're more people who find Pandora more interesting than the world where energy lives and breathes, I guess or they assume this due to the box office records.

They want to cash on this green fad before it falls out of the loop.

its a betrayal because avatar isn't disney and most ppl are split between avatar and tron much like star wars and star trek. and tron was being compared to avatar due to the cgi and 3d effects

Honestly, I don't understand the Avatar hate going on here. Avatar was a good movie, give it props. Its the highest grossing movie in history (Unless Deathly Hallows 2 got that, Im not sure) so to say it "did well for itself" is an understatement. Apparently its done well enough that it's been BROUGHT BACK into theaters twice since its original release just to add in some bonus content.

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I can deny it, because it less than 2 years after the movie came out and nobody is really talking about it anymore.

Nobody outside this board is talking about Tron Legacy anymore. And this movie is not even 1 year old. So what did you expect?
Face it people, Tron Legacy was only a mediocre success, if any (financial). We hardcore fans love it but most other people thought it was strange, beside the music, and the story was weird or bad for them.

Almost EVERYONE I talked to would actually love to visit Pandora in real. The world Cameron created the past 13 years is just brilliant. You cannot dismiss this fact. The world of TRON Legacy was not even shown in such a big scope. We saw the entrance, the arena, Flynns hiding hole, some random Outlands parts which were not that attractive to be visited, the Club and the i/o port in the end. ...
To be honest - and remember I love Legacy - the elders tree and the "town" in the trees in Avatar alone were more impressive than the whole world Mr. Kosinski designed with his team.

Though I do not understand the Avatar ride / hall because Avatar is 20th Century Fox.

You make a good point, but I feel that the TRON fans are being betrayed due to each properties relevance within the company. TRON still has decent Blu-Ray sales and an animated series coming out in Jan. . . Avatar was a one hit wonder they didn't even have the rights to yet.

What are you talking about? Avatar is no one-hit-wonder. There are 2 more movies to be released in 2014 / 2015 or something.
TRON Legacy only grossed 400 million world wide. That is only 1/7 of the Avatar sales. Remember: Legacy had the same price at the box office (13 Euros here).and only 1/7 of the Avatar fandom. Real TRON fans are rare, really rare. Everything TRON-related was a bump or just a mediocre success. Betryal, Evolution, Legacy. Do you really think Disney will go on in risking their profits just because some people want to see thier (sadly non-accepted) universe to be continued or expanded into a theme park attraction which will cost them even more money? (Though the 3rd movie seems to be made in 2013)

I really wish it would be different. However, this is how a big american company thinks. Kind of.

LWSrocks2 Wrote:Honestly, I don't understand the Avatar hate going on here. Avatar was a good movie, give it props.

"Avatar" is what I refer to as a "twinkee", it's all filler and no substance. James Cameron always had a perfect balance of technological advancement in filmmaking and story. For "Avatar", it was like he said, "Screw the story, I'm just going to advance the technology and half-ass a compilation of "Aliens", "The Abyss", "Pocahontas" and "Ferngully: The Last Rain Forest" and hope no one notices." Any film director that thinks they could have all flash and no story is no director I want to watch and don't agree with.

At least for "TRON: Legacy", it had a story and characters you could care about, crafted by filmmakers who actually gave a damn about telling a story (much like the filmmakers who did the first "TRON"). That was the first and foremost thing about the film, with the technological advancement to allow for the environment in the film, as well as the digital Jeff Bridges, taking second seat (as it should be).

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CB2001 Wrote: "Avatar" is what I refer to as a "twinkee", it's all filler and no substance. James Cameron always had a perfect balance of technological advancement in filmmaking and story. For "Avatar", it was like he said, "Screw the story, I'm just going to advance the technology and half-ass a compilation of "Aliens", "The Abyss", "Pocahontas" and "Ferngully: The Last Rain Forest" and hope no one notices." Any film director that thinks they could have all flash and no story is no director I want to watch and don't agree with. At least for "TRON: Legacy", it had a story and characters you could care about, crafted by filmmakers who actually gave a damn about telling a story (much like the filmmakers who did the first "TRON"). That was the first and foremost thing about the film, with the technological advancement to allow for the environment in the film, as well as the digital Jeff Bridges, taking second seat (as it should be). That's just my opinion, and I could very well be wrong.

At least the story was told extremely good in Avatar. TRON Legacy is far away from being a good story teller movie, though the story is not that bad. A lot of people in my cinema said after leaving the movie "That was bad!" And honestly, if I was not a TRON fan, I have to agree when it comes to the story. TRON dismissed the story as well as Avatar dismissed being an original story. Avatar was a copy of Pochahontas... but people did not care. They loved it. You see where this is going?

The story can be mediocre but it has to be told in a good way. This is what Avatar made great and TRON Legacy did not do.
Way too few emotions -> Genocide should cause a person go nuts if the killed ones were HIS creation ;
Way too complicated explanations, if any -> Why not just say the Grid is a life simulation and everything would have made sense, ISOs were not explained in a good way. PEople do not want to interpret, they want to be clarified about story details. There are plenty of thinks they did massivley wrong in telling their script. Though... the LOST boys did not wrote a clear script either. After destroying LOST, they destroyed the Legacy story because they do not even know what the ISOs exactly are themselves.

Now for example look at Inception. This is quite complex with its 5 levels of story. So 3 times as complicated as Legacy (to be honest). Though everything is explained well and people got everything if they pay attention though it is so much more difficult to understand than Legacy.

So... I can understand why people dismissed Legacy beside the unique style and why Disney prefered Avatar to be an attration in one of their parks.