Well, like I said in the original post. I'm referring to the "Art of Tron" book, not the movie. I watched the original tron a couple days ago, there are no canisters on the original Shiva laser, but the one in Kevin's lab is *much* smaller and the photos clearly show canisters.

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Page 45 of The Art of Tron says:
"...updated version of the Shiva laser, a more compact version of the device that transported Kevin into the digital world of Tron (1982)."

"The filmmakers went to great lengths to make the laser look both real and functional. For example, around the base of the laser are four cylindrical silos designed to hold the chemical elements that theoretically would remain if a human were broken down and transferred into digital space - carbon, as well as hydrogen and oxygen (water). This idea came out of a meeting with several notable physicists who were brought in to consult on the scientific realities of Tron."

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So back to my original point. Why bother with the "scientific realities" if you just want to wave a magic wand and say "Kevin Flynn's lines are the absolute laws of the world."
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Yeah, the beam skips around taking Flynn apart. Reminds me of the explanation of how a TV Tube is "painted" from behind. I get the sense that there's some sort of refraction crystal or similar in end of it.

One issue with laser taking the room apart for th raw materials (one would guess that Kevin had a safety to prevent that) is that the servers and various other electronics are sitting right in front of the laser. I would take more a couple "extra" items being materialized from the Grid using "found matter" before the laser disintegrated the two "Super Servers" holding the entire grid as well as the all the bad guys and good guys that were still inside waiting for sufficient matter to become available.

It also wouldn't take long for the shiva to hit something really important - like some structural portion of the building, before things would have begun collapsing on top of the entire room.

My mind is forming an alternate ending.
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Clu escapes Kevin Flynn and follows Sam and Quorra out of the Grid. They run off to get help.

This leaves Clu standing in the dusty lab as the Shiva begins to move his army over to the real world.

Very shortly, Clu and a half dozen sentries are standing in the room having escaped from the grid. They are dismayed and distracted by dust, cobwebs, and the arcane computer hardware laying about.

All the spare matter has been used up and the Shiva now "harvests" one of the building's main columns so that it can materialize more soldiers. Clu and his soldiers are too distracted by the workshop of the creator to realize the problem.

There's a low rumble and the entire top floor drops smashing the servers and crushing the sentries, the Shiva laser, and trapping Clu up to his neck in rubble.

We then see the inside of the arcade game floor. Games are toppling backwards into the hole where Flynn secret lab was hidden. Space Paranoids, Asteroids, Centipede...

Journey's "Separate Ways" is still blasting.

Clu is trapped. He screams in agony from his massive internal wounds, but it is entirely drowned out by hard-rocking 80s music.

We then see the "TRON" video game topple over backwards and comes sliding with hundreds of pounds of mass right at Clu's face.

Close up shot of Clu's bloody face as he draws a tortured breathe to scream "no"

Fade to black.

Loud "Crunch" (like when you drop a brick on a bag of potato chips)

Credits roll

Daft Punk plays.
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So there we go. I guess Clu's plan could work.

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I can only assume, that he wanted to assume Flynn completely in and out of the grid. He couldn't risk Flynn setting something up while he was outside of the Grid, nor could he risk Flynn escaping. Plus the master key obviously allowed Clu to take everything with him not to mention all the secrets of the Grid. Clu cannot create perhaps this is a limitation removed with the master key, also I don't think Clu was planning on taking everyone with him until he had Flynn's disc. But yes it raises more questions about this, as in has this happened??? I mean why else would Flynn have thought it possible unless it was seen?.....hmmmmm

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Just a thought here that Clu's reason for being was perfection of the system. Clu was part of that system himself, right at the apex. However, Clu had limitations precisely because he was Clu. Seeking perfection of the system also involved seeking perfection for himself.

Perhaps now that Clu saw Flynn as "corrupted" he sought to become perfect, usurping Flynn's role as creator. Becoming perfect - essentially becoming Flynn before he got "corrupted" in Clu's eyes - involved gaining the "secret knowledge" of Flynn's disk.

Edit: Perhaps that's why Clu went off the rails, it was impossible for him to be perfect unless he had Flynn's disk. He was programmed to go mad right from the start

Kat Wrote:That's apparently reality. The Tron universe is asking us to believe that Flynn came up with this technology and made it work almost 30 years ago, back in the day when the rest of the world barely had PCs. I mean, you guys. Commodore64 vs. quantum teleportation, dude! Belief is already expected to be stretched pretty far.

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Flynn didn't event Wifi he said he just thought about that in 85 but yeah I know what you mean but you need to think about what is available in market and what is actually out there. For instance computers today work on either 32 or 64 bit, however the majority of mainframe computers and vast data crunchers work on 128 or 256bit computing, and I am sure that we also have 512bit super computers knocking about somewhere. But I know what you're saying lol.

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trekking95 Wrote: laphtiya Wrote: unless he Director and writers go for the same approach marvel took with Iron Man's Armour "It just works" not explaining any of the technology involved in it. That's funny, I was just watching Iron Man tonight and thought the same thing. They don't say anything about how the tech works. But it is still a good movie.

That's valid for a lot of stories. In the original Star Wars they don't bother explaining anything about light-speed, light sabers, blasters, force fields, or levitating dune cars. It all works and it is amazing. No explanation asked for, none needed. It was way after the original movies got dusty before people started picking it apart.

Sci-Fi experts - at least the type they interview for such things have said that Star Wars was revolutionary in that they didn't worry about explaining anything.

For all the lack of explanation, Lucas kept to the rules established in the original film. That's why we all loved it - consistent story elements, acceptable technology, things that had bounds and limits - even when we didn't know what those limits were. It was another time and another place. Rules were different.

Maybe the problem is when the attempt is made to link the story back to a reality that we recognize problems and we often start to point out inconsistencies in the director's vision. I'm not sure that there are inconsistencies, I'm just wondering how these things work.

TRON.dll Wrote: Vaporware Wrote: trekking95 Wrote: laphtiya Wrote: unless he Director and writers go for the same approach marvel took with Iron Man's Armour "It just works" not explaining any of the technology involved in it. That's funny, I was just watching Iron Man tonight and thought the same thing. They don't say anything about how the tech works. But it is still a good movie. That's valid for a lot of stories. In the original Star Wars they don't bother explaining anything about light-speed, light sabers, blasters, force fields, or levitating dune cars. It all works and it is amazing. No explanation asked for, none needed. It was way after the original movies got dusty before people started picking it apart. Sci-Fi experts - at least the type they interview for such things have said that Star Wars was revolutionary in that they didn't worry about explaining anything. For all the lack of explanation, Lucas kept to the rules established in the original film. That's why we all loved it - consistent story elements, acceptable technology, things that had bounds and limits - even when we didn't know what those limits were. It was another time and another place. Rules were different. Maybe the problem is when the attempt is made to link the story back to a reality that we recognize problems and we often start to point out inconsistencies in the director's vision. I'm not sure that there are inconsistencies, I'm just wondering how these things work. I think what's nice about the original Star Wars trilogy is that most of those things (lightsabers, hovercars, etc.) is that the way they work isn't explained, but an official explanation is out there, not taking up space in the movie, if needed. This way, the fan's experience is enhanced, while the casual viewer's experience isn't interrupted by explanations everywhere that they don't care about.

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laphtiya Wrote:"For all the lack of explanation, Lucas kept to the rules established in the original film." Ahhhh this isn't entirely correct, Lucas has stepped on his own toes more times than I care to mention the biggest that comes to mind would be Obi wan saying to Yoda was he any different when he was taught by Yoda then we go straight episode one to find out oh wait he WASN'T trained by Yoda at all. I think however this is due to the nature of how Big that series has become and with other writers from all over having stuff added as Canon by Lucas things are bound to get messy. But yeah I have a strong feeling that we are going to get the "It just works" treatment with Tron.

Or Obi Wan saying to Luke that his father wanted him to have his light saber. Then in episode 3 Obi Wan took it from Anakin.

laphtiya Wrote:"For all the lack of explanation, Lucas kept to the rules established in the original film." Ahhhh this isn't entirely correct, Lucas has stepped on his own toes more times than I care to mention the biggest that comes to mind would be Obi wan saying to Yoda was he any different when he was taught by Yoda then we go straight episode one to find out oh wait he WASN'T trained by Yoda at all.

Obi-Wan was trained by Yoda. Yoda did a lot of training of the younger students, before they went to learn under a single master. We see some of this in Ep II. So while we didn't see that period of training, there is no reason to assume it didn't happen.

The only problem I can see with that dialogue and how it relates to the prequels, is that Obi-wan says "...the Jedi master who instructed me." where "...a Jedi who instructed me." might fit in a little better, but that's a very minor quibble if you ask me.
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