spacedinosaurblue Wrote:In typical science fiction, we have warp drives and force fields in just 300 years! What could a being who was the clone of a genius accomplish in a thousand years of unlimited technological experimentation?

Thank you! I've tried to express that same point, and you've nailed it brilliantly. Excellent post. I could not have said it better.

**It's wild, but when you eliminate all other possibilities, whatever is left, no matter how strange, must be the truth.
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I had wondered about the purpose of the energy flowing from the disk throughout the hangerbay. I loved that sound effect by the bye. If Clu only needed the disk to get out, why do that? Why attach it to the Rectifier with such results? I never thought about is, and sadly it was never clarified, but yes, Clu must have had his own imagineers working on things, secret things that even his Intelligence Officer didn't know about. Seems no one had any idea what Clu's plans were so how was that kept secret by the ones who were allowed to work on the project?

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:LOL... wow. Masters of the Gridiverse.. sure.. http://youtu.be/p_jz3J_ncTM?t=8m1s

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But how would the laser know how to make things?

This occurred to me re: Quorra the other day. If the way the laser works is by digitizing something, taking the information about how it's constructed, and then replicating that on the Grid, and bringing it back... then the laser knows the specs for the bodies of the two Flynns. And that's it. How would it have ANY idea of how to create a female body, never having been given those parameters before? I have my doubts that a program has all of the information necessary for creating a full body, since a program doesn't use many of the parts we would have, whether they're the necessary ones like lungs, heart, liver, etc., or those that are extraneous and unnecessary but probably would need to occur anyway such as reproductive parts, yada yada? It seems to me a computer would have to be told exactly how to construct a body for the laser to recreate it, wouldn't it?

And this could also be applied to bringing objects outside the Grid. How does the laser know how to make a ship? Does Clu know enough about real-world engineering to be able to so accurately code his vessels, weapons, etc. so that the computer can reproduce them perfectly in the real world?

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:I highly doubt that Clu, Flynn or the master key or even any cadre of Programs had the applicaple Real-world engineering knownledge/technical specifications for extapolating the virtual models/contructs of all the vehicles, weapons, and Programs to somehow materialize them into fully functioning objects and vehicles in the "Real World"; or in the case of the soldiers,materialize them as living humanoids, since the re-purposed Programs weren't Iso's and I highly doubt they all had digital DNA like Quorra or any other Iso did.... They did not show Quorra in her grid suit or holding her Disc while in the Real World, so I think one can posit the supposition that such objects probably would not be materialized in the Real World..

But as stated before if this is the case then this makes the writers of Legacy the worst writers ever, with a complete fool of a director not to mention a movie that isn't worth watching at all because the entire point of the whole movie (Clu wanting out to spread his perfection throught the world) is just pointless. So should we say cancel Tron 3 before you ever make it because lets face it, it would never happen so it is pointless to watch? You cannot argue with the Canon in the script it would be like saying you don't believe that the One Ring from Lord of the rings could only be destroyed from where it was made as it looks as if it is made from gold which can easy be broken according to real world physics.

Clu has been planning this for over a thousand years (grid time) perhaps longer, he also had unlimited access to Flynn's memories and knowledge via the master key disc. Now perhaps he couldn't take it all at once but he did find a way to take it with him, that is canon other wise why say it? Why even rest the entire point of the movie on something that could never happen? It's just silly, if you want to talk about raw matter that makes up the human body you can find all of this prity much everywhere. The human body is made up of very basic elements, we are not called carbon based lifeforms for no reason you know.

1.Oxygen (65%)
2.Carbon (18%)
3.Hydrogen (10%)
4.Nitrogen (3%)
5.Calcium (1.5%)
6.Phosphorus (1.0%)
7.Potassium (0.35%)
8.Sulfur (0.25%)
9.Sodium (0.15%)
10.Magnesium (0.05%)
11.Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%)
12.Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts)

Now I am sure a building is made up of the same things just in different percentages, trace amounts are less than 0.01%

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Yep. Somehow the little shiva laser making magic portal eating up the matter of surrounding buildings without overloading and frying whatever is powering it, which then materializes ala"Automan" style, a massive, physics defying cyberspace carrier (that somehow has 24th centery tech that Flynn nor Clu is NEVER shown to have knowlege of how to build and make work in the Real Word), along with hundreds of cyberspace troops that magically enter the "Real World" in Tron Legacy doesn't make sense to me. Yep.

spacedinosaurblue wrote this. Read it a few times or until you get it.

I think a reason why for many folks the notion of Clu's plan is implausible is at a very quick glance it seems silly to imagine Grid soldiers and assets, such as vehicles, teleporting into the real world. Especially since they're "virtual" and don't have to work like real machines.

But it's also true the on-screen dialog is explicit. Flynn looks around at the Rectifier (Clu's command carrier) and says he's found a way to do it. *He's found a way to take it with him".

It might have been better if there had been a throwaway line somewhere laying it out fully for the audience: the grid isn't just a fantasy playland but a hyper accelerated lab for research and development. I believe in one of the Flynn Lives alternate reality games, there's even a text file where Flynn muses about defining realistic physics for "his" world so that the parameters of technology and vehicles can be experimented with.

So between the lines, it sure seems the intent of the story is that Clu has had 1000 years of literally NOTHING TO DO but plot on how to get out. Nothing to do but have his engineers design alternate schematics and technology for his army that functioned according to Flynn's code base that was designed to set up the conditions to simulate the real world in order to research advanced technology in a fraction of the time it would take in the analog dimension.

When Clu slots Flynn's master disc into the Rectifier's interface, notice that data from the master disc flows down the pillar and into the hanger bay. That energy is seen flowing *into and around* the systems of *the actual vehicles* in the bay. It flows through Clu's actual Black Guard soldiers.

Why? That's a very specific detail. What is the master disc loading into Clu's soldiers and loading into his vehicles and his own command carrier? If the plan is merely for Clu to leap into the portal and jump out in Kevin Flynn's body to impersonate him?

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I'd imagine that the master disc contained the "source code" for the Grid; essentially Flynn's own personal data crypt. Based on that, the soldiers, their staff weapons and armor, the vehicles, and the carrier itself were being loaded with blueprints for alternate versions of themselves. We don't know that had they been reconstructed in reality, they would have been jet black with glowy neon lines. That's just for the energy systems that the Grid runs on. Perhaps Clu's army would have appeared with gear constructed of advanced super alloys, without the running lights. The carrier powered by some fusion technology or stranger, using a gravity control system. In typical science fiction, we have warp drives and force fields in just 300 years! What could a being who was the clone of a genius accomplish in a thousand years of unlimited technological experimentation?where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Clu was captivated by a crystal chandelier and aluminum apples.. yeah, he's sooo smart and knowledgable.LOL.
I highly doubt Clu could of exceded his coded peramiters to somehow be and engineering
super-genius able to develop antigrav, super-alloys, etc etc.. that could exsist and function in the Real World.

He may be a facimilee of Flynn but in the comic and in the movie its constantly shows that Clu has little understanding of the real physics and the state and nature of the Real World and the billions of humans inhabiting it. People are not so easily oppressed neither can nature/earth be "re-purposed" nor conquered so easily. He may of had 500,000 soldiers. Compared to the entire US military, that's hardly a threat, even with pole weapons and throwing discs and a few dozen Reco's and tanks.. LOL. Come on.

Show me ANY where in the Flynn Lives content, or in Tron Betrayal or the movie where it showed Flynn or Clu could even some how take those virtual contructs and convert them over into real vehicles or weapons that could function and exsist in the Real World. I've seen nothing to even suggest that.

Flynn saying a *figurative* throwaway line "he's figured out" whatever, isn't proof that it would actually happen. Flynn and Sam are ASSUMING Clu could "take it into the real world" Its their **assumption** said in haste. There's vastly more evidence that it would NOT work than it working.

Months ago I explained how it would *not* be possible, Vaporware has even re-stated much of what I explained as well. A few lines of dialogue of Flynn and Sam assuming something doesn't equate to what would actually of happened.

Tron Legacy is not some campy "Masters of the Universe the movie" re-tread with the Shiva projecting a materialization portal eating up the arcade and dozens of surrounding buildings, somehow not blacking out the powergrid of the city, and then all of Clu's army come flying out into the Real World. LMAO.
Audiences would face palm and walk out the theater! Come one. While some things are possible with the Science Fiction logic of the film, such as a Quorra being materialized.. but IMO it's stretching suspension of disbelief until it breaks to expect that all of Clu's army, giant Carrier with all it's soldiers and vehicles on board would magically enter the Real World.. Flynn's Disc charging up all the vehicles and soldiers with energy does not neccessarily mean they all magically can become "real".

It's far more plausible that Clu found a way to connenct The Grid to the Real World globabl network of wireless interconnected devices and the internet and transmit/upload his forces to the global network and have the take control of everything electronically with Clu posing as "Flynn" in the Real World.

Just to point out, Clu maybe had never seen a chandelier or the fake fruit bowl. If Einstein spent time away from conventionalities, he might express curiosity in them as well. Doesn't mean he's a moron.where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

IluthraDanar Wrote:Just to point out, Clu maybe had never seen a chandelier or the fake fruit bowl. If Einstein spent time away from conventionalities, he might express curiosity in them as well. Doesn't mean he's a moron.

Actually, he may not have seen them but probably heard about them from Flynn's stories way before he turned on him. And here's the thing did Flynn have his safehouse built in the very first place before constructing Tron City or after he got ousted? I'm surprised Clu never sent recognizers after Quorra's car.

Well, actually that's the writers' fault for NOT thinking of that or writing up to his intelligence level. I mean, he has hundreds of recognizers all over the place which can easily traverse over the wilderness.