ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Again, Flynn's (or Sam's) assumption =/= what would actually happen. Yes he created the foundational coding for The Grid and many of it's vehicles, and assembled the Shiva system based on Lora Baine' s technology she developed (with Walter Gibbs). (As shown in the original TRON) But I am sure the Shiva system does have it's inate limitations, no matter how it's "re-programmed". Even Star Trek Replicators are not shown materializing whole StarShips, a Star base, or massive buildings. Component parts replication yes, which are then assmebled by teams of people yeah. But even with Anti-matter-matter reactor to power things, you never see a Replicator materialize a whole damn starship. Like wise I highly doubt the Shiva would materialize the Carrier and all the vehicles and soliders on board.

Energy isn't the limitation in a Star Trek replicator, it's memory. Storing the information needed to construct huge objects from scratch, with the precise location of every atom, is beyond the ability of Trek computers.

The Shiva has no such limitation. It's ALREADY not only storing the information on the carrier, the army, and an entire city full of individuals, it's running them in a full simulation in real time. Computational power is not an issue.

Look, you can choose where to end your suspension of disbelief. But you can't pass off your opinion as canon. Like it or not, the film's script disagrees with you. Take it or leave it.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:the Death Star wasn't made by a smalll energy-to matter device with limited capacity matter storage. Flynn and Sam's bodily matter doesn't equal massive construct army and vehicles in the real-world, and nothing indicates the laser could or was even set-up to even be able to siphon off enough energy and local matter to materialize the whole damn army in the real world. Until some novelization, canon material is published, the writers, or Joe explain verbatim how it could be done. I'm going to think it could NOT be done.

Using this argument I could say that the entire movie would not happen, as an ICT technician and software programmer I know that programs do not walk around inside a computer in a somewhat virtual world it just doesn't happen.....fact.

However because I am watching a make believe movie I am able to enjoy myself and be entertained by the idea. I don't sit there saying "Well that isn't possible because......." and I was using the death star as an example, but again using your argument star wars could not have happened because humans evolved on earth and not in a galaxy far far away. So like you I am going to think that it could NOT happen

Have I made my point yet that we have to take for granted what we are told in a story or shall I keep going??

Okay Transformers, you cannot look at a sound wave and see data in the graphical interface that you are seeing in your computer. This is fact so that whole plot line of the movie is rubbish. In fact MOST movies are impossible or we are told things for granted, Iron man's armour "just works" we are offered no explination of how or why it works it just does. I don't look into why I just enjoy it, I am told in the fictional movie I am watching that it works so I enjoy it. Same here, Clu has discovered a way of doing it. If he could not do it then what is the point of the movie? The movie has no point, there is no need to watch it at all because we know that it could no way in shape happen so I'll not bother watching Tron 3 when it comes out because it can't possibly happen ;D

Not having a rant here or anything guys I am hoping that you all read this with the light heartedness and chuckle I had when I wrote this. The simple fact is that we should just enjoy the movie for what it is, a good movie.

Would his plan have worked....honestly I don't know because Clu was stopped before we could find out. However the guy who created the Grid and used the tech almost every day since the end of the first movie believed that it was possible, so we have to assume that it is possible. At least until Tron 3 comes out and we find out for a fact either way at least.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Please, show me exactly in the typed script where it specifically says "the carrier and everything aboard would enter physically into the real world". I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that.

This is a moot point seeing as no one here has a copy of the script so your argument is also invalid.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote:So, until I see specific statement from Joe or the script writters proving otherwise. I will say that it's not possible, in my point of view. Not saying it's "set in stone canon".

They already have its called the part of the script where Flynn says the line "He's found a way to do it"

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Again, Flynn's (or Sam's) assumption =/= what would actually happen. Yes he created the foundational coding for The Grid and many of it's vehicles, and assembled the Shiva system based on Lora Baine' s technology she developed (with Walter Gibbs). (As shown in the original TRON) But I am sure the Shiva system does have it's inate limitations, no matter how it's "re-programmed". Even Star Trek Replicators are not shown materializing whole StarShips, a Star base, or massive buildings. Component parts replication yes, which are then assmebled by teams of people yeah. But even with Anti-matter-matter reactor to power things, you never see a Replicator materialize a whole damn starship. Like wise I highly doubt the Shiva would materialize the Carrier and all the vehicles and soliders on board.

If you read Star Trek books on the technology it says that they used replicators to build houses. So why would Kevin think it could do that?

I don't mean to butt in here, but I'm pretty sure that Tron and Star Trek aren't canon with each other.

Also, Clu's plan probably would have worked. He's an essential clone of a genius computer engineer and the line "He's found a way to do it" probably wasn't thrown into the script just because it sounded cool. It'll probably (hopefully) be explained in Tron Uprising or Tron 3.

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Okay can all those who have a PHD in advanced quantum physics please raise your hands........anyone?

Because thats what we are talking about here with the Shiva laser, however if you want to get right down to possibilities and saying "oh it wouldn't work because of x or y" I'll invoke the Heisenberg uncertainty principle:

"Heisenberg uncertainty principle states precise inequalities that constrain certain pairs of physical properties, such as measuring the present position while determining future momentum; both cannot be simultaneously done to arbitrarily high precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the less precisely the other can be controlled or determined."

In other words the beam that transports you into the grid CANNOT PHYSICALLY WORK, so therefore the entire movie is rubbish.....but hold on............it does work in the movie that means we are changing the laws of physics which means that anything is possible even the "He has found a way to do it" Like Tron.dll states the line isn't in there for no reason at all, there is your canon proof that it will work. And if you want to talk about physically impossible things then read above because physics dictate that at the present moment at least digitizing someone into the computer would not work because of the reasoning above, so unless we do have any quantum physicists in the forum who have cracked this issue out, sitting there saying "it would not work" even though we have the movie saying it will, is just complete silly.

Again Hope you all take this in the light heartedness that is was written

laphtiya Wrote:Okay can all those who have a PHD in advanced quantum physics please raise your hands........anyone? Because thats what we are talking about here with the Shiva laser, however if you want to get right down to possibilities and saying "oh it wouldn't work because of x or y" I'll invoke the Heisenberg uncertainty principle: "Heisenberg uncertainty principle states precise inequalities that constrain certain pairs of physical properties, such as measuring the present position while determining future momentum; both cannot be simultaneously done to arbitrarily high precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the less precisely the other can be controlled or determined." In other words the beam that transports you into the grid CANNOT PHYSICALLY WORK, so therefore the entire movie is rubbish.....but hold on............it does work in the movie that means we are changing the laws of physics which means that anything is possible even the "He has found a way to do it" Like Tron.dll states the line isn't in there for no reason at all, there is your canon proof that it will work. And if you want to talk about physically impossible things then read above because physics dictate that at the present moment at least digitizing someone into the computer would not work because of the reasoning above, so unless we do have any quantum physicists in the forum who have cracked this issue out, sitting there saying "it would not work" even though we have the movie saying it will, is just complete silly. Again Hope you all take this in the light heartedness that is was written

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Kat Wrote: laphtiya Wrote: Like Tron.dll states the line isn't in there for no reason at all, Slightly OT, but... there are several lines in the movie that I expected to have some meaning later on, that didn't, and which come across as strange when you realize that they didn't actually come into play later...

Thats true which maybe they are leaving them for the third movie? I did feel like there were a few things that needed expanding on like the whole Program into reality concept this is clearly going to be open for the third movie. Here is a crazy concept what if the MCP wasnt erased but was expelled into the real world after Flynn.....dun dun dunnnnn!

rimwall Wrote:what was the original purpose of gibbs and lora for inventing laser anyway?

Not sure, I don't think it is discussed.....well not in the movie anyway I don't have a copy of the novel so I am unsure if this was expanded on.