LIT Wrote:I think that Tron should have made an appearance at the end and Kevin Flynn sohould have not exploded.

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laphtiya Wrote: LIT Wrote:I think that Tron should have made an appearance at the end and Kevin Flynn sohould have not exploded. I was waiting for Tron to turn up and give Clu a good thrashing ;D

Seriously. Tron/Rinzler is the best fighter on the Grid and Clu pwns him TWICE? WTF?? (Esp. since you see a couple scenes where Clu clearly has to bring Rinzler in to finish a job he can't do)

laphtiya Wrote: Kat Wrote: laphtiya Wrote: LIT Wrote:I think that Tron should have made an appearance at the end and Kevin Flynn sohould have not exploded. I was waiting for Tron to turn up and give Clu a good thrashing ;D Seriously. Tron/Rinzler is the best fighter on the Grid and Clu pwns him TWICE? WTF?? (Esp. since you see a couple scenes where Clu clearly has to bring Rinzler in to finish a job he can't do) Yeah but was Tron really trying to Kill Clu or simply buy Flynn time to escape, these are two very different things. If Tron wanted Clu dead when he attacked Flynn he would have just thrown his Disc at him, but didn't for whatever reason.

Somewhere not too long ago we discussed WHY Tron didn't kill him, and we'd thought it was possible that he simply couldn't, because of the nature of Clu, so all he could hope to do was give Flynn time to escape. Still doesn't explain why he couldn't fight him off still, though. Also, at the end, there's no way he wouldn't have wanted to kill Clu that time--he would've learned his lesson from the previous time.

Here's how I would have liked it to have ended:

1)Kevin, Sam, and Quorra get to the platform surrounding the portal;
2)They begin to make their way to the portal, and CLU 2.0 shows up;
3)Kevin insists on Sam and Quorra getting to the portal as CLU 2.0 closes in on him; Sam refuses, trying to persuade his Father to go with him;
4)CLU 2 makes a dash at Kevin, striking him and knocking him down;
5)As Sam and Quorra watch from the portal, suddenly, a light jet appears above the platform and a program drops down on the platform, knocking CLU 2 off the platform, leaving him hanging off the side. He takes off his helmet and to everyone's surprise, it's TRON;
6)Tron then says, "I fight for THE USERS", and he helps Kevin up, tells him to join Sam and Quorra in the portal;
7)Kevin hesitates, asking Tron, "What about the system??? I have to save it!", to which Tron says, "Don't worry. You assigned me to keep an eye on the system. I will do just that. Now GO!";
8)Kevin, joins Sam and Quorra in the portal, just as it's about to close, while Tron and CLU 2 fight it out on the platform as it begins to derez;
9)The portal closes, sucking Kevin, Sam, and Quorra through it; at the exact same moment, we see Tron strike CLU 2 with his disk, derezzing him, just as the platform explodes, and throwing Tron into the air, followed by a blinding flash of light;
10)Do a quick cut where we see Kevin, Sam, and Quorra in Kevin's secret lab: a blue bar on the screen indicates that something is uploaded onto a sd card which Sam pulls out the computer;
11)They begin to leave the secret lab until a beep is heard; Kevin rushes back to the terminal, and in flashing blue letters, the screen reads, "SYSTEM STABILIZED: CLU 2.0 PROGRAM DELETED". Kevin then quickly does a query and the screen reveals that it was TRON - that TRON actually survived and is safe;
12)Kevin, Sam, and Quorra cheer; suddenlly a voice offscreen is heard saying, "Hey, what's going on down here?";
13)Alan then sees something that causes him to freeze in disbelief: his long-lost friend, Kevin Flynn; they run to each other and give each other a brotherly hug, introduces Alan to Quorra, then they walk upstairs ;
14)Sam shows Kevin what he's done to his Ducati and Kevin is amazed; Sam tells Quorra he's got something to show her and they make their way to the bike;
15)Before Sam and Quorra ride off, both he and Kevin tell Alan that things are about to change at ENCOM; Kevin and Alan drive off to plan their corporate takeback of the company, while Quorra and Sam ride off into the oncoming sunset

*We also see a short ending montage explaining:
1)that Kevin Flynn meets the folks of FLYNN LIVES in a secret meeting and he thanks them for keeping his memory alive, and fighting the good fight;
2)Sam will be taking over ENCOM, with his father Kevin as a consultant; Kevin will launch his own enterprise, and Quorra will assist both ot them in creating revolutionary software and hardware products;
3)Alan Bradley will be Sam's right-hand man
4)It's implied that Dillinger Jr. has an ace up his sleeve - that maybe a certain familiar red program will show up again

THE END

RenegadeProgram Wrote:Here's how I would have liked it to have ended: 1)Kevin, Sam, and Quorra get to the platform surrounding the portal; 2)They begin to make their way to the portal, and CLU 2.0 shows up; 3)Kevin insists on Sam and Quorra getting to the portal as CLU 2.0 closes in on him; Sam refuses, trying to persuade his Father to go with him; 4)CLU 2 makes a dash at Kevin, striking him and knocking him down; 5)As Sam and Quorra watch from the portal, suddenly, a light jet appears above the platform and a program drops down on the platform, knocking CLU 2 off the platform, leaving him hanging off the side. He takes off his helmet and to everyone's surprise, it's TRON; 6)Tron then says, "I fight for THE USERS", and he helps Kevin up, tells him to join Sam and Quorra in the portal; 7)Kevin hesitates, asking Tron, "What about the system??? I have to save it!", to which Tron says, "Don't worry. You assigned me to keep an eye on the system. I will do just that. Now GO!"; 8)Kevin, joins Sam and Quorra in the portal, just as it's about to close, while Tron and CLU 2 fight it out on the platform as it begins to derez; 9)The portal closes, sucking Kevin, Sam, and Quorra through it; at the exact same moment, we see Tron strike CLU 2 with his disk, derezzing him, just as the platform explodes, and throwing Tron into the air, followed by a blinding flash of light; 10)Do a quick cut where we see Kevin, Sam, and Quorra in Kevin's secret lab: a blue bar on the screen indicates that something is uploaded onto a sd card which Sam pulls out the computer; 11)They begin to leave the secret lab until a beep is heard; Kevin rushes back to the terminal, and in flashing blue letters, the screen reads, "SYSTEM STABILIZED: CLU 2.0 PROGRAM DELETED". Kevin then quickly does a query and the screen reveals that it was TRON - that TRON actually survived and is safe; 12)Kevin, Sam, and Quorra cheer; suddenlly a voice offscreen is heard saying, "Hey, what's going on down here?"; 13)Alan then sees something that causes him to freeze in disbelief: his long-lost friend, Kevin Flynn; they run to each other and give each other a brotherly hug, introduces Alan to Quorra, then they walk upstairs ; 14)Sam shows Kevin what he's done to his Ducati and Kevin is amazed; Sam tells Quorra he's got something to show her and they make their way to the bike; 15)Before Sam and Quorra ride off, both he and Kevin tell Alan that things are about to change at ENCOM; Kevin and Alan drive off to plan their corporate takeback of the company, while Quorra and Sam ride off into the oncoming sunset *We also see a short ending montage explaining: 1)that Kevin Flynn meets the folks of FLYNN LIVES in a secret meeting and he thanks them for keeping his memory alive, and fighting the good fight; 2)Sam will be taking over ENCOM, with his father Kevin as a consultant; Kevin will launch his own enterprise, and Quorra will assist both ot them in creating revolutionary software and hardware products; 3)Alan Bradley will be Sam's right-hand man 4)It's implied that Dillinger Jr. has an ace up his sleeve - that maybe a certain familiar red program will show up again THE END

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I expencted CLU to derezz Kevin in a dramatic "I an't amount to anything so long as I'm just a copy of someone better!" sort of way, then have Tron crawl out of the water and duke it out with CLU while Sam and Quorra escaped.

"CLU, you can't go out there. You're just a program."
"WHo are you calling program, PROGRAM!"

I had a whole sripted scene for how I'd end it somewhere here on the forums... geez. With 700+ posts it'd be pretty hard to find now.

Just not as open as it was.
Get Kevin Flynn out of the GRID. Rescue TRON. And beat the crap out of CLU.
The final battle should have been an epic disc battle stand out between CLU + TRON and Sam + Kevin. The dock fight is a nice idea but not dramatic and catching enough for the films last climax.


In fact, this is what TRON 3 should be about. Drop the Quorra-in-real-world storyline or keep it short. This additional story is jus too much for one film.

It is way too risky to indirectly plan for a sequel if you do not know if the sales and revenue is good enough. And we still do not know if the ~600 million dollars (DVD, merchandise, OST included) is enough for Disney.

AriesT Wrote:Just not as open as it was. Get Kevin Flynn out of the GRID. Rescue TRON. And beat the crap out of CLU. The final battle should have been an epic disc battle stand out between CLU + TRON and Sam + Kevin. The dock fight is a nice idea but not dramatic and catching enough for the films last climax. In fact, this is what TRON 3 should be about. Drop the Quorra-in-real-world storyline or keep it short. This additional story is jus too much for one film. It is way too risky to indirectly plan for a sequel if you do not know if the sales and revenue is good enough. And we still do not know if the ~600 million dollars (DVD, merchandise, OST included) is enough for Disney.

I think we're on the same page, AriesT. The ending felt a little anticlimactic to me.

As for how I'd've handled things, hmm...

For starters, I would have gotten rid of the dialogue between Sam and Quorra that foreshadowed the 'reintegration' sequence, since that's not the way I would have ended things.

Aside from that, everything would have been more or less the same until the characters arrive at the portal. As in the movie, Clu would be waiting for them. While Clu and Flynn banter back and forth, we see a small troop shuttle from the Rectifier set down next to the light jet, and a group of Clu's soldiers disembark and hurry inside.

Clu's troops surround our heroes. It's not a huge group of men, but combined with the power Clu has demonstrated, the odds are clearly against our heroes. Clu orders his men to take the Flynns and Quorra back to the city and keep them under guard. He has other business to attend to, he explains, but he'll be back to deal with them personally.

And then, when things look the most bleak, the redeemed Tron would make his triumphant return - minus helmet, and with only a single disc - and all hell would break loose. Flynn, Sam, Quorra and Tron versus Clu and his goons, with the Rectifier drawing ever closer in the background, creating a sense of tension - the clock is ticking, and once the main body of Clu's troops reach the portal, it'll be too late. This is when Sam and Quorra really show off their moves, and the audience gets to see just why Tron is the greatest warrior on the Grid. (I'm not sure what I'd have Flynn doing during the battle, since he's not the most melee-oriented character - possibly some manipulation of the environment to the heroes' advantage, a show of 'User power'.)

Once Clu's goons are out of the way, it's down to Clu himself. (Boss fight time!) As the characters have already discovered, Clu seems to bat aside any attacks thrown at him. Tron and Clu square off. Slowly but surely, Tron is being forced back - we get the sense that Clu's just playing with him now, deliberately drawing out the fight until the carrier gets there. And that's when Flynn would get to do his thing. Flynn shouts for Tron to give him his disc. Tron hands off his disc to Flynn, then has to fight to keep from being derezzed by Clu - lots of insane acrobatics and hair's-breadth near-misses ensue, with Sam and Quorra stepping in at key moments to try and distract Clu, while Flynn works frantically to patch Tron's disc with the code needed to bypass Clu's security protocols and take him down. (I think that would be a nice nod to the original Tron.)

Flynn hands off the reprogrammed disc to Tron, who rallies. He attacks again and actually manages to wound Clu, who is shocked to find himself suddenly vulnerable. Shock quickly turns to rage. Tron and Clu exchange disc strikes with growing intensity as they charge each other, the battle shifting to disc melee. At last, Clu is laid low. Mortally wounded, he and Flynn exchange words before Clu derezzes. (Perhaps there's some closure between the two, and Clu is at peace with Flynn when he derezzes?)

With Clu gone, the way back to the real world is clear. Flynn entrusts the caretaking of the Grid to Quorra and Tron in his absence. Quorra wants to know if Sam will be coming back too, and the audience can sense the attraction between them. Sam, of course, says yes - and that mutual attraction gives us a hook for Sam to return to the Grid in a sequel.

The coda would have Sam, Flynn and Alan meeting at the basement of the arcade a few days later, with the two Flynns recounting their experiences to Alan. Alan wants to know what Flynn plans to do now. Flynn says that he has to go back - there's just too much work to be done on the Grid to put things right now that Clu's gone, and it's the kind of thing that can't be done from outside. He feels that Encom's in good hands with Sam and Alan. The world's still not ready for the Grid yet, and the Grid's not necessarily ready for the real world - but working together, the three of them can change that. They say their goodbyes, with Flynn extracting a promise from Sam to 'come visit your old man' before keying in the command to digitize himself at the desk.

Sam and Alan head out into the night as they discuss what they're going to do next, and talk about changing the world.

Roll credits.


Yeah, that's very rough and stream-of-consciousness, but it's more or less the direction I'd've taken things in if it had been up to me.

Kat Wrote:I'm not sure if I could take Clu pwning Tron AGAIN in the movie-- it just bugs me, considering Tron is supposed to be THE big hero and THE big fighter tying the two movies together. Yet over and over again in T:L, despite the fact that he completely mows down anybody he fights, Clu beats him easily. Yet Clu's not really shown as a warrior character--he can ride a lightcycle, yes, and he runs the show behind the scenes for those who are warriors, but Clu's not shown as a super-fighter like Tron/Rinzler are supposed to be (otherwise why would he use Rinzler at all?). So how is it that Clu is always so easily beating Tron (besides the fact that Tron's lost a foot or so in height, lol)? However, the idea with Clu being at peace-- I could see this being a tie-in to the Ram death scene with Flynn from Original Tron, yes?

As far as Clu pwning Tron goes, I probably didn't articulate that as well as I could have. I imagine it being more of a case of Clu having an unfair advantage for most of the fight - if this was a videogame, he'd have the invincibility cheat enabled. (That ties in with the idea we discussed in one of the other threads, that Clu literally couldn't be derezzed from within the system, being a 'protected file' of sorts.) Flynn embedding the necessary protocols to bypass Clu's protection in Tron's disc would level the playing field, and once it's down to pure combat skill, that's when Tron's edge in combat ability would come into play. What I really would want to avoid is anticlimax - Tron shows up on the scene, handily beats the pixels out of Clu, Clu derezzes, the end. Clu's supposed to be the big bad here, so a fight against him at the climax of the film ought to be suitably epic, IMO. That means that when the time rolls around for him to really cut loose in a fight, he needs to come off as a legitimate threat to the heroes.


As a quick aside: One of the things that struck me when watching the lightcycle scene is how much Clu's reactions there reminded me of Flynn playing Space Paranoids. It's the reaction I've seen when watching people play games, that same pure delight at fragging an opponent in a particularly wicked way. It seems like a carryover from Flynn, a manifestation of his competitive gamer side. What makes it sinister is how Clu applies it to the world around him, treating other programs as nothing more than enemies in a videogame. (That this is arguably the literal truth doesn't make that any less sinister, but it does add a touch of the surreal.) What I'm getting at with all this is that I've always imagined Clu to have had a keen interest in the games, and skills to back up that interest, as a reflection of that side of Flynn.

As far as keeping Rinzler around, I can see a few reasons for that. One is that Tron/Rinzler is more skilled than Clu in combat, even if he doesn't necessarily have Clu's sysadmin/cheat code advantage. Another is that Clu can't be everywhere at once, and it's good to have minions you can trust to take care of business when you're busy with other things. As a system watchdog application, Tron also had functions that were useful to Clu, like the ability to run a trace/track other programs (as demonstrated when Rinzler picked up Flynn's trail outside of the club.)

There are also some purely psychological reasons for Clu keeping him around. The first is propaganda value. Tron was a hero, and while it didn't seem to be something that was discussed openly by programs on the Grid, I imagine there were rumors that Rinzler wasTron, and that Clu had repurposed him into a loyal minion. By making Rinzler highly visible, having him compete in deathmatches on the Grid and using him as an enforcer, he acts as a warning to other would-be rebels - 'See how I humbled even the mighty Tron, broke him to my will and made him my minion? You would be wise not to challenge me, or you'll suffer the same fate.' And it's an ego boost for Clu himself, for the same reason - he's taken his creator's friend, a dangerous warrior who would have done everything in his power to destroy Clu if he could, and made him over into an underling who'd never think to raise a hand against him. The whole Clu/Rinzler thing speaks volumes about Clu's character to my mind.

The idea of Clu making peace with Flynn before he derezzes was meant to evoke echoes of Ram's death scene, yes. Not necessarily in a hit-the-audience-over-the-head obvious way, but something they'd notice when reflecting on the movie. (As opposed to Flynn reprogramming Tron's disc for him during the fight, which is meant to be in-your-face obvious as a callout for fans of the original.)

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