DarthMeow504
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Posts: 134 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 06, 2011 11:38 AM
Kat Wrote:| DarthMeow504 Wrote:No offense, Kat, but you can keep the meat and dirt world if you like it so much. I'll be punching the first ticket out of this shithole I can find. |
Go for it. Guess I'll be keeping the lights on for you. |
Thanks for that, and sorry if it came across harsh. But really, humanity and the mundane world has done me no favors and I'd be first in line to emigrate to the Grid. It's my Pandora.
Beyond that, though... think about it. What you're saying about conquest and greed doesn't really fly. To conquer or horde requires finite resources. Sure, the MCP tried it but had it's own agenda. And it failed. Besides, it was written to provide a conflict for the film. I don't think an actual scenario of humankind getting Grid technology would play out that way.
For one, the Shiva laser itself, by dint of converting matter to energy, is a practically unlimited source of free energy. It also provides immense manufacturing capability and transportation applications that would revolutionize the world. Just like there cannot be a money economy in Star Trek because unlimited resources makes a scarcity-driven system like capitalism impossible, we'd be forced to move into a post-scarcity paradigm. Even if the governments and coporations tried to keep it limited, the genie could only stay in the bottle for so long. Once the technology becomes mainstream, all bets are off.
And then there's the Grid itself. One outdated 1989 server held an entire city and surrounding landscape. The whole thing fit on a memory card! Nowadays that kind of processing power is in an average smartphone. Surely a modern laptop or desktop personal computer could render that much gridspace easily. And even without the economic impact of the Shiva, computers are becoming more ubiquitous all the time. Most people in the developed world could afford a computer capable of housing a Grid comparable in size to the one seen in Legacy.
What happens then? Well a lot less crime and conflict, that's for sure. Millionaires have houses the size of small office complexes, with dozens or sometimes even hundreds of rooms. Some billionaires control a private compound the size of a college campus. Few single people own an entire city. But with gridspace so cheap and easy to host, everyone with a computer could have exactly that. Can you imagine it? What would there be left to fight over? You already have more than most people today can easily imagine owning. And you can expand cheaply and easily if for some reason you need more. What is there to take when you already have more than you ever need?
We've already seen the internet have an effect on the capitalist model. We've seen prices hit zero when infinite replication is possible. We've seen the importance of money decline and more people volunteering as content creators as hobbies, labors of love. Can you imagine actually living in the net? You'd be free to pursue your dreams free of almost any restriction. Human art and innovation would be set free to expand exponentially when everyone is able to devote all their time to their passions, with limitless resources to play with.
Flynn was right. In there is our future. And one day... I'll get in.
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Posts: 217 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 06, 2011 6:51 PM
Herm... I smell "internet" based sequel. That doesn't bode well.
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 06, 2011 9:12 PM
Kat Wrote:DarthMeow504 Wrote:
TRON showed us a different world, a beautiful world of light and color and digital smoothness, a place almost too perfect to be real, a place where the ordinary limitations of the physical world do not apply. A world where giant structures or powerful equipment can just be summoned or vanished in mere moments. A world where limitations of space, resources, materials, and most other physical constraints are no more. A place where if you imagine it, then engineer it, it becomes real. We hate the MCP naturally, because we're shown this world of limitless possibility, a dream come true, and it's turning it into a nightmare. Imposing restrictions and limitations on what could be free and limitless. We as the audience not only want to see that world freed to embrace it's potential, we want to go there. We want to leave our dreary, dull world behind and go to the other world where everything is beautiful and anything is possible. When the credits roll, we want more. And are willing to watch it again just to immerse ourselves in that world.
Legacy treats it's Grid with contempt. Even by it's creator it's viewed as a prison and a waste of time, a distraction from what the film judges important which is time with his son. The message is "don't pursue your dreams, that's silly and childish, focus on your family and regular life". It's a "stop dreaming and get responsible" message, akin to "get a haircut and get a real job". Except given the amazing possibilities of the Grid, it's basically like telling the next Jimi Hendrix to put down the guitar and go to law school instead. It's a completely anti-escapist message, and that's why it was so disappointing even to fans who otherwise liked the film.
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The proves the point exactly about different people taking different things from it. We've discussed before that what a lot of people take from it is that you can't create a utopia. For all the supposed possibilities, the human race would do something to fuck it up; as Clu proved, there are those out there who can't not get greedy and powerhungry and then nothing is free anyway. We wouldn't live in harmony with what is in the Grid... we would go in, and conquer, and make it all like our way of life, and destroy anything in our way (the Bradbury book I mentioned in an earlier post, by the way, is The Martian Chronicles).
Also that if we eliminate disease and everyone lives forever and nothing bad ever happens, what kind of world is that? If we all go into the Grid, who's the poor schmuck who has to stay outside and keep the servers running? Etc. I get from it that rather than always chasing after the next best thing, maybe you should open your eyes and see what is good right in front of you. I'm not talking about settling for a shitty situation and not improving it, but knowing when you already have something good. You see, for example, that Quorra may be perpetuating the mistake Flynn has already learned from: he wanted to be in the Grid, and now she is fascinated by and wants to leave for the outside world. I wonder if she will find if it is truly better.
As far as beauty... in my fic, my character notes that she could never go to live permanently in a place without sun and stars (who needs a "digital frontier" when there are things about our own universe we still don't, and may never, understand? Ever read about physics as it relates to astronomy? Holy crap, these guys are taking educated stabs in the dark!) and the ocean, music and literature and the myriad of life and other such fantastical things found in our world (what on earth are ISOs to the diversity of just the bacteria found out here, never mind everything else?), "couldn’t imagine giving up the wonders of this world to become fully immersed in a place without ancient art, trees, warm winds…" For all that our world has some real horrors that might not be found on the Grid (which would not be erased by the Grid; if programs don't perpetuate some of the crimes that human beings do, users would just bring those crimes with them), our world also has a lot of beauty that the Grid lacks. I suppose it balances out (another conversation between my OC in my story and Tron, after she has just explained to him a rather painful human crime that apparently doesn't exist on the Grid:
“What kind of world do you live in?” he asked her quietly, his tone one of mild horror. Really it was a rhetorical question, but she answered it anyway.
“An imperfect one. Beauty is always tempered by ugliness, Tron. I know you know that.”
“In equal measure, I suppose,” he said, thinking of her descriptions of sunshine and oceans and the stars, balanced against the description of pain and betrayal she had just given him.
“Yes, maybe so.”
Our world has bad and good... perhaps greater bad, and its own share of problems, but also perhaps greater good, and certainly its own share of beauty and light. And forgetting that to idealize another place is, to me, an extremely sad example of not paying attention to what's around you, which is what Flynn learned. If nothing else, perhaps we could expend the effort that we're using to try to find some other utopia without this world's problems, to appreciate what we have and attempt to solve this world's problems instead so we won't NEED anywhere else.
I don't think Flynn should've said "perfection is unknowable ... it may be there right in front of you the whole time." That line bugged me. He should've said, "perfection is subjective and therefore unattainable for all ... and maybe what is there in front of you is already good enough without being perfect." |
Your words, Kat, drew me back to my other fandom, Star Trek. Remember how Kirk would destroy the autocracy of whatever being was in charge? The planet would then have to start all over, sometimes with help from the Federation, sometimes not. I would live on the Grid if I could make positive changes. Those poor programs had no worthy guide, no true leader. They needed better guidance than either Clu or Flynn could provide. That's a reason I want to see where they go in the next film, with Sam and Quorra. Or do THEY also forget about the leftover programs who are now without ANY guidance.
Forget it, Mr High and Mighty Master Control. You aren't making me talk.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 06, 2011 10:03 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Kat Wrote:DarthMeow504 Wrote:
TRON showed us a different world, a beautiful world of light and color and digital smoothness, a place almost too perfect to be real, a place where the ordinary limitations of the physical world do not apply. A world where giant structures or powerful equipment can just be summoned or vanished in mere moments. A world where limitations of space, resources, materials, and most other physical constraints are no more. A place where if you imagine it, then engineer it, it becomes real. We hate the MCP naturally, because we're shown this world of limitless possibility, a dream come true, and it's turning it into a nightmare. Imposing restrictions and limitations on what could be free and limitless. We as the audience not only want to see that world freed to embrace it's potential, we want to go there. We want to leave our dreary, dull world behind and go to the other world where everything is beautiful and anything is possible. When the credits roll, we want more. And are willing to watch it again just to immerse ourselves in that world.
Legacy treats it's Grid with contempt. Even by it's creator it's viewed as a prison and a waste of time, a distraction from what the film judges important which is time with his son. The message is "don't pursue your dreams, that's silly and childish, focus on your family and regular life". It's a "stop dreaming and get responsible" message, akin to "get a haircut and get a real job". Except given the amazing possibilities of the Grid, it's basically like telling the next Jimi Hendrix to put down the guitar and go to law school instead. It's a completely anti-escapist message, and that's why it was so disappointing even to fans who otherwise liked the film.
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The proves the point exactly about different people taking different things from it. We've discussed before that what a lot of people take from it is that you can't create a utopia. For all the supposed possibilities, the human race would do something to fuck it up; as Clu proved, there are those out there who can't not get greedy and powerhungry and then nothing is free anyway. We wouldn't live in harmony with what is in the Grid... we would go in, and conquer, and make it all like our way of life, and destroy anything in our way (the Bradbury book I mentioned in an earlier post, by the way, is The Martian Chronicles).
Also that if we eliminate disease and everyone lives forever and nothing bad ever happens, what kind of world is that? If we all go into the Grid, who's the poor schmuck who has to stay outside and keep the servers running? Etc. I get from it that rather than always chasing after the next best thing, maybe you should open your eyes and see what is good right in front of you. I'm not talking about settling for a shitty situation and not improving it, but knowing when you already have something good. You see, for example, that Quorra may be perpetuating the mistake Flynn has already learned from: he wanted to be in the Grid, and now she is fascinated by and wants to leave for the outside world. I wonder if she will find if it is truly better.
As far as beauty... in my fic, my character notes that she could never go to live permanently in a place without sun and stars (who needs a "digital frontier" when there are things about our own universe we still don't, and may never, understand? Ever read about physics as it relates to astronomy? Holy crap, these guys are taking educated stabs in the dark!) and the ocean, music and literature and the myriad of life and other such fantastical things found in our world (what on earth are ISOs to the diversity of just the bacteria found out here, never mind everything else?), "couldn’t imagine giving up the wonders of this world to become fully immersed in a place without ancient art, trees, warm winds…" For all that our world has some real horrors that might not be found on the Grid (which would not be erased by the Grid; if programs don't perpetuate some of the crimes that human beings do, users would just bring those crimes with them), our world also has a lot of beauty that the Grid lacks. I suppose it balances out (another conversation between my OC in my story and Tron, after she has just explained to him a rather painful human crime that apparently doesn't exist on the Grid:
“What kind of world do you live in?” he asked her quietly, his tone one of mild horror. Really it was a rhetorical question, but she answered it anyway.
“An imperfect one. Beauty is always tempered by ugliness, Tron. I know you know that.”
“In equal measure, I suppose,” he said, thinking of her descriptions of sunshine and oceans and the stars, balanced against the description of pain and betrayal she had just given him.
“Yes, maybe so.”
Our world has bad and good... perhaps greater bad, and its own share of problems, but also perhaps greater good, and certainly its own share of beauty and light. And forgetting that to idealize another place is, to me, an extremely sad example of not paying attention to what's around you, which is what Flynn learned. If nothing else, perhaps we could expend the effort that we're using to try to find some other utopia without this world's problems, to appreciate what we have and attempt to solve this world's problems instead so we won't NEED anywhere else.
I don't think Flynn should've said "perfection is unknowable ... it may be there right in front of you the whole time." That line bugged me. He should've said, "perfection is subjective and therefore unattainable for all ... and maybe what is there in front of you is already good enough without being perfect." |
Your words, Kat, drew me back to my other fandom, Star Trek. Remember how Kirk would destroy the autocracy of whatever being was in charge? The planet would then have to start all over, sometimes with help from the Federation, sometimes not. I would live on the Grid if I could make positive changes. Those poor programs had no worthy guide, no true leader. They needed better guidance than either Clu or Flynn could provide. That's a reason I want to see where they go in the next film, with Sam and Quorra. Or do THEY also forget about the leftover programs who are now without ANY guidance. |
I'm not sure what they'd do with democracy, though. It was never in their original design... I guess it would be a debate about what would pass for "government" inside a computer. Probably file hierarchy and such? User-as-supreme-dictator? Dunno. Would they know how to process democracy? As I've said before, probably even Tron doesn't work in a manner we're used to; I doubt you could explain a subpoena to him, or due process, or an arrest warrant.order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
What do you want? I'm busy.
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Posts: 606 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 06, 2011 10:13 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Kat Wrote:DarthMeow504 Wrote:
TRON showed us a different world, a beautiful world of light and color and digital smoothness, a place almost too perfect to be real, a place where the ordinary limitations of the physical world do not apply. A world where giant structures or powerful equipment can just be summoned or vanished in mere moments. A world where limitations of space, resources, materials, and most other physical constraints are no more. A place where if you imagine it, then engineer it, it becomes real. We hate the MCP naturally, because we're shown this world of limitless possibility, a dream come true, and it's turning it into a nightmare. Imposing restrictions and limitations on what could be free and limitless. We as the audience not only want to see that world freed to embrace it's potential, we want to go there. We want to leave our dreary, dull world behind and go to the other world where everything is beautiful and anything is possible. When the credits roll, we want more. And are willing to watch it again just to immerse ourselves in that world.
Legacy treats it's Grid with contempt. Even by it's creator it's viewed as a prison and a waste of time, a distraction from what the film judges important which is time with his son. The message is "don't pursue your dreams, that's silly and childish, focus on your family and regular life". It's a "stop dreaming and get responsible" message, akin to "get a haircut and get a real job". Except given the amazing possibilities of the Grid, it's basically like telling the next Jimi Hendrix to put down the guitar and go to law school instead. It's a completely anti-escapist message, and that's why it was so disappointing even to fans who otherwise liked the film.
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The proves the point exactly about different people taking different things from it. We've discussed before that what a lot of people take from it is that you can't create a utopia. For all the supposed possibilities, the human race would do something to fuck it up; as Clu proved, there are those out there who can't not get greedy and powerhungry and then nothing is free anyway. We wouldn't live in harmony with what is in the Grid... we would go in, and conquer, and make it all like our way of life, and destroy anything in our way (the Bradbury book I mentioned in an earlier post, by the way, is The Martian Chronicles).
Also that if we eliminate disease and everyone lives forever and nothing bad ever happens, what kind of world is that? If we all go into the Grid, who's the poor schmuck who has to stay outside and keep the servers running? Etc. I get from it that rather than always chasing after the next best thing, maybe you should open your eyes and see what is good right in front of you. I'm not talking about settling for a shitty situation and not improving it, but knowing when you already have something good. You see, for example, that Quorra may be perpetuating the mistake Flynn has already learned from: he wanted to be in the Grid, and now she is fascinated by and wants to leave for the outside world. I wonder if she will find if it is truly better.
As far as beauty... in my fic, my character notes that she could never go to live permanently in a place without sun and stars (who needs a "digital frontier" when there are things about our own universe we still don't, and may never, understand? Ever read about physics as it relates to astronomy? Holy crap, these guys are taking educated stabs in the dark!) and the ocean, music and literature and the myriad of life and other such fantastical things found in our world (what on earth are ISOs to the diversity of just the bacteria found out here, never mind everything else?), "couldn’t imagine giving up the wonders of this world to become fully immersed in a place without ancient art, trees, warm winds…" For all that our world has some real horrors that might not be found on the Grid (which would not be erased by the Grid; if programs don't perpetuate some of the crimes that human beings do, users would just bring those crimes with them), our world also has a lot of beauty that the Grid lacks. I suppose it balances out (another conversation between my OC in my story and Tron, after she has just explained to him a rather painful human crime that apparently doesn't exist on the Grid:
“What kind of world do you live in?” he asked her quietly, his tone one of mild horror. Really it was a rhetorical question, but she answered it anyway.
“An imperfect one. Beauty is always tempered by ugliness, Tron. I know you know that.”
“In equal measure, I suppose,” he said, thinking of her descriptions of sunshine and oceans and the stars, balanced against the description of pain and betrayal she had just given him.
“Yes, maybe so.”
Our world has bad and good... perhaps greater bad, and its own share of problems, but also perhaps greater good, and certainly its own share of beauty and light. And forgetting that to idealize another place is, to me, an extremely sad example of not paying attention to what's around you, which is what Flynn learned. If nothing else, perhaps we could expend the effort that we're using to try to find some other utopia without this world's problems, to appreciate what we have and attempt to solve this world's problems instead so we won't NEED anywhere else.
I don't think Flynn should've said "perfection is unknowable ... it may be there right in front of you the whole time." That line bugged me. He should've said, "perfection is subjective and therefore unattainable for all ... and maybe what is there in front of you is already good enough without being perfect." |
Your words, Kat, drew me back to my other fandom, Star Trek. Remember how Kirk would destroy the autocracy of whatever being was in charge? The planet would then have to start all over, sometimes with help from the Federation, sometimes not. I would live on the Grid if I could make positive changes. Those poor programs had no worthy guide, no true leader. They needed better guidance than either Clu or Flynn could provide. That's a reason I want to see where they go in the next film, with Sam and Quorra. Or do THEY also forget about the leftover programs who are now without ANY guidance. |
The only worthy person that could guide the programs is QUORRA. This makes complete sense because from her real world experiences, she can share them with the programs, teaching them what life with the users is like.
QUORRA is the perfect MCP as a 'mediator' between Users and Programs. That would have to be her destiny to "ascend" as a digital goddess.
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Posts: 274 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Sunday, July, 10, 2011 4:13 PM
The world doesn't hate, TL, for one. It just missed the mark in a few ways which in no way diminish it's quality as a movie. For none, it may not have kicked ass at the box office the way some blockbusters do, but so what? It still did fine in the theaters and certainly pulled a profit, enough to maybe even warrant a sequel. Plus I am sure it's run on video is also making some money.
The reason it didn't do better is, for one, many people thought it was only out in 3D, and not all the public who would have otherwise seen it likes or is willing to watch 3D. These are the ones who whine about getting a headache from it.
The demographic that such a movie aims for is the 18-35 year olds. Only those in that age bracket didn't see the original by and large so they didn't know all the genius ways the new one ties into and alludes to things in TL, such as sound effects borrowed from 80's video games. Much of the first film's rabid sequel-waiting-for-fans went to see it TL, but most of those who saw the original have "aged out" of wanting to watch science fiction movies. Jeff Bridges may have, in a very smart move with him starring as an older character, inspired some of that audience to give it a chance anyhow.
Garret Hedlund was great in the part but he's basically unknown to the public.
The fact that there were only two colors in the movie bothered a lot of people, though it was GENIUS to do that. How many color-shot Hollywood big boffo blockbusters have only one color essentially in them? Just saying it may not have worked for everyone.
I would say TL needed to be made much earlier to catch T's original moviegoing demographic, but then it would not have had the cutting edge technology to be the movie it is today, so that's a double edged sword. I am willing to bet some of the technology used in it was either still in development at the time or invented for the movie itself.
My only two minor criticisms of it are that after Sam enters Flynn's safehouse/apartment, there is a LOT of talking that risked putting people to sleep even if the movie is off to a great adventure again when Sam leaves to seek out Castor. The movie also looked just a bit too dark to see many details on the projected movie-theater screen, details that can be seen on the DVD since DVD actively throws light out instead of reflecting it such as when we first see the Outlands when Quorra saves Sam. I judged the theater's projection quality by how well I could see those cliffs and rocks, which usually wasn't too well. . And Quorra and Sam's fight scene wasn't well done. Their moves were hardly discernible and the editing was too choppy, hard to follow.
I was sort of hoping that Flynn would be kidnapped and forced to play in the games, still kicking absolute ASS as Lord of the Gaming Grid, after which he escapes and rejoins San and Quorra. That woulda been cool.
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on Wednesday, July, 13, 2011 2:13 AM
| Darth Tronage Wrote:And the newest Transformers movie made in one weekend nearly what Tron Legacy made over it's entire theatrical run! |
Opps. What the heck was I looking at?! I think when I posted that, Box Office Mojo had shown something like $40,000,000. I must have seen $400,000,000. Just had to clear that up.
As far as the appeal of the grid goes, I wouldn't want to live there. But the world in Tron 2.0 would be great to run around in. I like camping, but I don't want to camp all the time. In the same way, I wouldn't want to stay in a Tron like world all the time ether.
I do agree that the idea of a digital world was painted as a dark and undesirable thing in Tron Legacy. A view I disagree with. As fans we were drawn to the digital world that was presented to us in the original and then expanded on in Tron 2.0. A look and feel that set it apart from other games and movies.
Now in Legacy we're told that world is too dangerous and unpleasant and focusing on it is a bad thing. Fans, you were wrong for want more of Tron and less of the real world and should appreciate what you have in front of you. Kind of like people who put bumper stickers on their cars that require you to read them and then criticize you for reading them. (If you can read this, your too close to my bumper). (Or a chiropractor's digital sign that read "If you are reading this you need to pay attention to the road.") What?!
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 13, 2011 9:09 PM
I don't care if Transformers 3 made zillions of dollars overnight. I left that mess of a movie after 2 hours. Yes, I was there two hours and felt like I had been on a rack. As a lover of the first one, I can't understand why they keep rehashing the same stuff over. Surely there are other things the bots did in the cartoon, comics or whatever venue they came from.
Legacy I will love always, which oddly I did not at first. Go figure. I know money speaks volumes to the companies. A film must speak to the heart as well as the eyes.
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Posts: 171 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Wednesday, July, 13, 2011 11:31 PM
Why do Ameridcans always leave movies they paid for if they are not as good as expected??
I don't get this behaviour. You do not have any discipline. I never saw any german who left the theatre just because the movie was shit or not what he/she expected. They always keep sitting and that is ok because they paid a shitload of money for it.
If you know the movie is shit, why paying the ticket anyway??
I guess this stupid (for my german means) behaviour is one (small) aspect which broke Legacy's neck. I do not want to know how many people left the cinema when the story part in IFlynns house rolled. Lemme guess...In Germany: None. In the US / other countries: At least one per movie.
Beside, you have to care about Transformers making a billion. Disney sees this. Disney will also see PotC at a billion and HP7.2. 3 movies about a billion in 3 months. That is a record. They will really think hard about making another movie for 150 (Tron 3 will be cheaper because the R&D for the GRID and technique is done) which only makes 400m dollars.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 12:36 AM
I HAD to leave T3. The 3-D was not like other 3-D films I have seen. It made me literally nauseous. The theatre was brand new and the seats emitted fumes that didn't help. The length of the movie made me afraid I'd puke on the new floors.
Did no one else who saw it feel that they could have cut out 30 minutes and the integrity of the story would have been maintained? It was just too long, Sam Witwicky was shown as a loser (I liked Sam so felt this was unnecessary). It was disjointed and sometimes downright incomprehensible. So I'm expected to stay anyway, with all this factored in? I think not! Only a masochist would do that.
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Posts: 108 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 1:09 AM
Darth Tronage Wrote:Now in Legacy we're told that world is too dangerous and unpleasant and focusing on it is a bad thing. Fans, you were wrong for want more of Tron and less of the real world and should appreciate what you have in front of you. Kind of like people who put bumper stickers on their cars that require you to read them and then criticize you for reading them. (If you can read this, your too close to my bumper). (Or a chiropractor's digital sign that read "If you are reading this you need to pay attention to the road.") What?!
So, come see our movie so we can lecture you on wanting to escape in it, because the real world is better. An attitude I agree with when it comes to Legacy. |
But is it really any more dangerous than the real world is? Do the risks of our world not match those of the Grid? Sure, the Grid is an unstable and harsh environment, but was it ALWAYS that way? From what I've seen, the rise of Clu was its main reason for giving off the vibe that it's a much greater risk to live there.
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 6:24 AM
What's so harsh and unstable about it (besides the fact that living on a system that is 20 years old and miraculously has never had a power outage, hard drive failure, OS freeze-up, etc. is a disaster waiting to happen)? I mean, yeah, living under a dictator is no walk in the park, but it looks like programs who mind their own business and keep their noses clean do just fine; there doesn't appear to be anarchy in the streets, hungry lions wandering around town, roving gangs of programs beating up other programs, etc. There's no evidence shown that there is any sort of want (whatever form that may take in the Grid, since there isn't hunger to contend with). Any danger a program may be in doesn't seem to be random or to come from other ordinary programs. It appears to be "life as usual" as long as you don't tangle with Clu. I'd rather be there than certain parts of Detroit late at night, for example.where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
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Posts: 108 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 7:49 AM
| Kat Wrote:What's so harsh and unstable about it (besides the fact that living on a system that is 20 years old and miraculously has never had a power outage, hard drive failure, OS freeze-up, etc. is a disaster waiting to happen)? I mean, yeah, living under a dictator is no walk in the park, but it looks like programs who mind their own business and keep their noses clean do just fine; there doesn't appear to be anarchy in the streets, hungry lions wandering around town, roving gangs of programs beating up other programs, etc. There's no evidence shown that there is any sort of want (whatever form that may take in the Grid, since there isn't hunger to contend with). Any danger a program may be in doesn't seem to be random or to come from other ordinary programs. It appears to be "life as usual" as long as you don't tangle with Clu. I'd rather be there than certain parts of Detroit late at night, for example. |
That's basically what I was getting at. The Grid isn't paradise, but it's not worse than our world by any stretch.
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AriesT
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Posts: 171 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 12:02 PM
Yeah, Bay could have cut 30 minutes of the film... and it would have been better.
Screw that nasty human actors parts. We want huge coke cans with bagillion parts which explode entirely plus half of the world collide and do not forget, the camera always turns in circles!!
However, I have been to the US multiple times and I noticed this very unique phenomenon in every movie I watched there. King Kong - 2 people left. Munich - 3 people left. I find Munich to be one of the worst Spielberg movies of all time and I still kept siting in my chair. Inglorious Basterds - hell, 2 people left. A Tarantino movie does not deserve to be left before it ends. Beside you are highly patriotic and have to puke on the floor if you only listen to one german word - even if the german dialogues in this movie were just brilliantly funny. It's good to be german for this kind of films.
And I really believe this phenomenon and the following: "DO NOT GO INTO DA MOVIE, IT IS NO AVATAR, IT OVERCHARGED MY BRAIN", plus the negative reviews by the stupid critics vanished about 50m dollars for Legacy in the US.
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 1:11 PM
| Kat Wrote:What's so harsh and unstable about it (besides the fact that living on a system that is 20 years old and miraculously has never had a power outage, hard drive failure, OS freeze-up, etc. is a disaster waiting to happen)? I mean, yeah, living under a dictator is no walk in the park, but it looks like programs who mind their own business and keep their noses clean do just fine; there doesn't appear to be anarchy in the streets, hungry lions wandering around town, roving gangs of programs beating up other programs, etc. There's no evidence shown that there is any sort of want (whatever form that may take in the Grid, since there isn't hunger to contend with). Any danger a program may be in doesn't seem to be random or to come from other ordinary programs. It appears to be "life as usual" as long as you don't tangle with Clu. I'd rather be there than certain parts of Detroit late at night, for example. |
Yeah I think the city sentries help too. Since rape and robbery didn't seem to be an issue, as you say, as long as you don't bother the big bossman, you're probably ok unless they get short on Games combatants and start drafting programs.
Forget it, Mr High and Mighty Master Control. You aren't making me talk.
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 1:13 PM
AriesT Wrote:Yeah, Bay could have cut 30 minutes of the film... and it would have been better.
Screw that nasty human actors parts. We want huge coke cans with bagillion parts which explode entirely plus half of the world collide and do not forget, the camera always turns in circles!!
However, I have been to the US multiple times and I noticed this very unique phenomenon in every movie I watched there. King Kong - 2 people left. Munich - 3 people left. I find Munich to be one of the worst Spielberg movies of all time and I still kept siting in my chair. Inglorious Basterds - hell, 2 people left. A Tarantino movie does not deserve to be left before it ends. Beside you are highly patriotic and have to puke on the floor if you only listen to one german word - even if the german dialogues in this movie were just brilliantly funny. It's good to be german for this kind of films.
And I really believe this phenomenon and the following: "DO NOT GO INTO DA MOVIE, IT IS NO AVATAR, IT OVERCHARGED MY BRAIN", plus the negative reviews by the stupid critics vanished about 50m dollars for Legacy in the US.
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Posts: 4,349 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 7:32 PM
While we're seemingly on the topic of people leaving theaters mid-movie, I remember when I went to see The King of Kong (great movie, by the way, if not a little biased). An elderly couple left the theater mid-movie out of frustration that they weren't seeing a King Kong movie.
 
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 8:48 PM
I was thinking today, what is wrong with leaving? Unless you ask for a refund, the studio is getting their (your) money.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Thursday, July, 14, 2011 10:27 PM
| IluthraDanar Wrote:I was thinking today, what is wrong with leaving? Unless you ask for a refund, the studio is getting their (your) money. |
And if you leave quietly, you're not disturbing anyone else. (unlike people who go to the bathroom or concession stand, at least people who are leaving outright don't come BACK and crawl back over you).
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That's basically what I was getting at. The Grid isn't paradise, but it's not worse than our world by any stretch. |
Right. But then, i still stand by my earlier iteration that they're not saying the Grid is bad... only that having a "the grass is always greener" attitude, and always looking for something new when you should consider whether what you already have is good enough, is.
What do you want? I'm busy.
Program, please!
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AriesT
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Posts: 171 | RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?
on Friday, July, 15, 2011 12:40 PM
| IluthraDanar Wrote:I was thinking today, what is wrong with leaving? Unless you ask for a refund, the studio is getting their (your) money. |
I guess this is kind of a cultural or country-specific clash. In Germany, people just do not leave a film very often. I only noticed it once in the last 10 years since I am a film fan and a regular visitor of my local cinema. Maybe it is some kind of showing respect, even if the film is total bullshit.
See, I hate Terminator 4. I even got angry when watching it in theatres because it nearly destroys the whole franchise with its plot holes and very bad story twists.
Though I kept sitting and the other 400 people in the room also had balls of steel watching it until the end.
After watching TRON Legacy, I heard some people say it was bad. Though noone left. Don't ask me why but I guess it is a general behaviour here to bear up something bad. ^^abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion
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