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CaptainCR
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 23, 2011 11:17 PM
in terms of people's complaints about the film all i got to say is : ppl bitch too much

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Friday, June, 24, 2011 12:36 AM
CaptainCR Wrote:in terms of people's complaints about the film all i got to say is : ppl bitch too much

We're with you on that. However, we need to listen to the fans and critics. The ONE major item, on most fans/critics gripe list, is the story/plot. Tron 3 needs a GREAT/STRONG story, coupled with eye poping non-stop ACTION. We need to score at least 70% on the Tomato Meter, or it's all over. I'm hoping for a score of 85% or higher. I remain optimistic.

By the way, I loved Tron:Legacy. I saw it three times on IMAX and twice in REAL-D 3D. I've seen it several times, at home, on my 3D Vizio. It gets better every time I see it. But, when it comes to the average movie goer, we only have ONE shot. We need to get it right this time.


 
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Friday, June, 24, 2011 4:07 PM
Argent Wrote:Interesting topic.

I don't think the visual style of T: L had much of an effect on its reception. In fact, most of the negative reviews I've read tend to mention the look of the movie (and the Daft Punk score) as the things they did like, then go on to point out that awesome visuals aren't enough to carry an entire film.

Here are some things about Legacy that I feel people have had problems with.


Poor Pacing
This is a huge one. A number of reviews have mentioned how the first twenty-five minutes or so in the real world seem to drag. The plot is set up pretty deftly within the first few minutes - we meet Flynn and young Sam, learn about the Grid, Flynn disappears, then we segue to Sam as an adult. At this point, the audience knows what's coming - Sam's going to end up visiting this fantastic digital realm in search of his dad - and they're ready for things to start happening. And now that the audience is primed, they're expected to sit through nine minutes of Sam breaking into Encom to leak their newest OS onto the net, a dangling subplot that had no relevance to the core of the movie. I think the director would have been better off just segueing from young Sam in '89 to Alan's visit with Sam in the present. They discuss Sam's adventure at Encom Tower in the dialogue - we could've gotten away without seeing it, and it would have helped the initial pacing.

Yet despite the slow start, T: L still ends up being heavily front-loaded in the action department. After the initial wait, we're rewarded with what are arguably the movie's two strongest action sequences - Disc Wars and the lightcycle battle with Clu. Then things slow to a crawl again while we're treated to flashbacks and exposition over dinner. The light jet dogfight is a strong sequence in its own right, but it just doesn't have the same visceral intensity as the other two. The fact that it's the last big battle in the movie just makes it more noticeable.

So Legacy gets off to a slow start, hits us with a major dose of action, then drops into low gear again for a long stretch of the movie. Things pick up a bit near the end, but they never reach the intensity of those early scenes.



Failing to Fulfill The Audience's Expectations
Another issue that people I've spoken with have had with the film - and it's a sentiment I share - is that Legacy lays the groundwork for scenes that audiences wanted to see, then fails to follow through.

Flynn's vintage lightcycle is a good example of this. Sam and Quorra arrive at the safehouse, and we're shown this awesome-looking bike. It's Flynn's vintage lightcycle, the audience is told, and it's "still the fastest thing on the Grid". Sam has shown he's a kickass biker, so the audience is expecting this superbike to come into play in the story somehow. When Sam steals the bike and leaves in the middle of the night, we're ready for the payoff - maybe a highway chase where Sam has to outrun some of Clu's Black Guard bikers.

Instead, we see Sam... ride into town and give the bike to Bum.exe, in exchange for a ratty-looking cloak that Sam doesn't even end up keeping anyway.

Cue audience disappointment.

Another case of failing to follow through was when Sam went to retrieve his father's disc from Clu's carrier. The guards move to stop him, and then we cut to Jarvis' reaction as they get slaughtered offscreen. Everyone I've spoken with IRL expected that fight to play out onscreen. It was a decisive moment for Sam, marking the point where he stopped needing to be saved by others (Quorra, Flynn) and came into his own.

To be fair, a four-on-one fight between Sam and the guards was storyboarded, but time constraints meant that it couldn't be shot. The setup and pacing leads audiences to expect a fight scene, one that's supposed to be there, so they're waiting for it. But instead of being treated to an epic disc battle on par with the earlier Disc Wars scenes, we get to hear the Wilhelm scream from offscreen and watch Sam walk through a doorway looking grim.

Once again, the audience's expectations are dashed, and not necessarily in a good way.

And then we have Tron/Rinzler. The audience is introduced to a character who's apparently the arena champion, the best warrior on the Grid. He's Clu's right-hand man and enforcer. Astute viewers also pick up on the fact that Rinzler used to be Tron, the program who sacrificed himself so that Flynn could escape during Clu's coup. The groundwork has been laid for something major to happen involving this character, so the audience expects it... then, when it finally does happen, it's brief and unsatisfying. (Even moreso for the people in the audience who never saw the original, since they have no emotional attachment to the character of Tron, and the phrase "I fight for the Users!" wouldn't have any special significance to them.)

If one or more of these setups had led to the expected payoff, I think that would have improved audiences' opinions of the film.



Plot Holes
There are some things in Tron: Legacy that are poorly or inadequately explained, or just don't seem to make sense.

Some of the gaps can be filled in by looking at the supplemental materials like the tie-in comics, the Tron: Evolution games, and the T: L ARG. You shouldn't expect audiences to be familiar with additional media, though - everything they need to know for the movie to work should be there in the script.

The Legacy writers didn't do the best job of deciding which points to address in the movieitself, and which to leave to other media. (I think it says something when a pivotal scene between Flynn and Clu. one that gives a huge insight into the relationship between them and foreshadows everything to follow, appears not in the movie itself, but in the tie-in videogame.)

The undefined nature of the ISOs is probably the worst problem. Quorra's a walking, talking MacGuffin - since the ISOs are supposed to "change the world" and revolutionize everything, it's vital that the last one make it out to the real world. Yet while Flynn tells Sam (and the viewer) that they're super-special, the audience is never given any reason to believe it within the film. Yes, Quorra's incredibly hot and she has great reflexes, but there are hot and talented women in the real world already. And while we see her regrow an arm, we don't know how much of that is due to her ISOness and how much is Flynn's l33t h4x0r skills and User-ness in action (and I'm inclined to think it's mostly the latter).



I may add to this later, but it's already ridiculously long. Suffice it to say that T: L had script and pacing issues that kept it from realizing its maximum potential. (Maybe they ought to let Clu direct the sequel...) This doesn't mean I didn't personally enjoy it, but I do believe that addressing some of the points I mentioned would have led to the film being better-received by both audiences and critics.

Hey Argent, that was a pretty good critique of Tron: Legacy. As much as I love it, and as much as I hate some of the negative reviews, I'm starting to see what you're saying and some other weaknesses. Here's my points:

1)The Writing (in general) - yes, I think this could have been improved in a few spots.
EXAMPLES:
a)When Quorra and Sam break out of the game grid, no one from Clu's forces
are following them. Yes, I know their light cycles weren't designed for the outlands,
however, why didn't Clu send an army of recognizers after the grid runner as it
escaped through the Outlands?
*My solution - I would have had Clu summon some Recognizer pilots to chase
after Sam and Quorra as they got away, shooting at them, and have Quorra
and Sam dodging the blasts. That would have really showed off Quorra's
driving skills and it would have upped the stakes, IMHO. Then when the Recos
start taking damage and find their efforts futile, then they could have retreated,
right before Sam and Quorra got to the safe house (would have been too early
to attack the safe house);
b)The explanation of the ISOs - I'm reminded constantly that film is primarily a
VISUAL medium. While it was good that Flynn talked about the specialness
of the ISOs
, in retrospect, their specialness wasn't reinforced enough visually.
*My solution - during the voiceover exposition, maybe show some footage
of the ISOs exhibiting their special abilities, and during the fight scene in the
EOL Club, instead of Quorra passing out from getting her arm hacked in half,
have her able to regenerate her arm right away, and continue fighting; cut out
the scene where Flynn fixes her;
*Another thing - I would have expanded upon the revolutionary ISOs - maybe
have Sam and Quorra have a secret "war council" with a group of ISOs,
visually hinting that they would help Flynn take out Clu;
c)The ENCOM break-in: Shorten this as such - instead of showing Sam jumping
off the tower and all the breaking in footage, only show the boardroom scene so that
you can reinforce the tension and set up the villain for TR3N (i.e., the ENCOM &
Dillinger Jr. vs. Alan & Flynn conflict), then cut to the scene where Alan approaches
Sam in his apartment and you see the marks on his back showing that Sam jumped
off the tower;
d)The reunion between Father and Son - I too, felt that there should have been more
emoting in this scene; I mean, if your Dad just mysteriously disappeared for 20+
years, and then you run into him 20+ years later, wouldn't you be a lot more
emotional?
*My possible solution - have Quorra explain briefly that the time dilation in the Grid
has had a huge effect on Flynn's mind and emotions
e)The exposition over dinner - I honestly don't know how I'd change that much, outside
of visually strengthening the whole ISO details; sometimes in a movie, it is good
to alternate between action and then slow spots;
2)Dialogue - as much as I loved the references to the first film, i.e., "That's a big
door!", "It's all in the wrist", and the like, here's some ways I would have changed that:
*My possible solutions - After Flynn and Quorra have designated Sam to be the
gunner, and after Sam quickly learns who to man the gun, then you could have
an exchange like this:

SAM
(shoots an enemy jet)
Wooohooooo!!!!! This is just like playing doubles in 'Space Paranoids', Dad!!!

KEVIN
You're getting it, Son. It's all in the wrist.

(It looked like Jeff was about to bust out laughing when he said that line in the movie, LOL!!!!! Would love to see the outtakes).

OTHER IDEAS
*When Sam steals his Dad's bike to go to the EOL club - yes, I agree, this was a GREAT opportunity (outside the light cycle race) to reinforce Sam's wizardry at driving a cycle - maybe have some recognizers or tanks shooting at him as he speeds into Tron City, and he skillfully dodges their blasts
*During the final faceoff between Clu2, Kevin, Sam, and Quorra: I would have had Rinzler/Tron (instead of him getting shot down and falling into the Sea of Simulation) show up during this scene and help Kevin get rid of Clu2. I could see the following happen:
a)Rinzler takes off his mask, revealing himself to be TRON;
b)TRON's circuits change to a vibrant blue followed by,
c)Clu2 becoming disoriented as TRON leaps in the air, and then descends upon Clu2, derezzing him, sending him shattering into a thousand bits of data; TRON then helps Kevin try to stop the platform from derezzing, or he summons a two-man light jet, and TRON and KEVIN fly off;
d)Sam and Quorra rush to the portal, but they try to get Kevin to go along - Kevin refuses, saying, "I have to take care of the Grid!"; Sam and Quorra go through the portal, and Kevin either: gets destroyed by the derezzing of the platform, or we don't see what happened to Kevin. This would make a stronger hint (later when Sam is uploading the Grid onto his SD card) that Kevin may still be alive, or that there may be a way to revive him.
*The 4-1 disc battlle - yes, I know there were time constraints with this, but it would have been really cool to see this scene, once again strengthening the fact that Sam is a badass on the grid;
*The scene after Sam and Quorra go through the portal - maybe have Sam and Alan show up in the office, the morning after, and it could go like this:

EXT. ENCOM TOWER - MORNING

The morning sun bathes ENCOM Tower in a beautiful yellow light.

INT. ENCOM - MORNING (SAME TIME)

ED DILLINGER JR., and RICHARD MACKEY are wrapping up a short "meeting" in Richard's office.

RICHARD
So you got that little ENCOM OS12 situation patched up?

ED JR.
It's good to go. OS 12 is all ours - and no Flynn is going to take it away from us.

RICHARD
Good. That's what I like to hear. Make sure it doesn't happen again.

ED JR.
(smiling strangely)
Oh, it won't. I've got it all covered.

Richard thanks Ed Jr., and Ed Jr. leaves.

INT. LASER BAY - MORNING

Ed Jr. is at his computer, scanning the network for any hacks or leaks. Suddenly, a familiar deep voice answers, as a box appears indicating that the scan has finished. . .

COMPUTER VOICE
Scan completed. I've gotten 1200 times stronger since you re-installed me, Son. Everything is airtight.

ED JR.
Great. So when do we launch the attack, Dad?

COMPUTER VOICE
There's a 68.71% chance that Sam Flynn may try something again.

Suddenly, another familiar voice is heard. . .

MALE VOICE
Oh, I'd say it's more like an 99.99% chance!

Stunned, Ed Jr. turns around to discover SAM, ALAN, QUORRA and KEVIN FLYNN staring him in the face.

SAM
I got this, Dad! Ed Jr., I'm taking over the company - and my first order of business, is getting rid of you! Pack your bags, Jr.!

ED Jr.
It's not over, Sam.

KEVIN FLYNN
We'll see about that.

Suddenly,

COMPUTER VOICE
I told you to be careful, Jr. Now, I'm going to have to put ALL of you on the game grid!

The laser fires up, and it breaks down everyone in the room, sucking them inside the ENCOM 14308.








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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Saturday, June, 25, 2011 5:41 PM
There are too many critcisms of this film.

Folks complain that it doesn't have deep philosophy, other complain about the pace, or that it wasn't what they expected.

My only complaint is that it was too short to explain itself. Aside from that, it has amazing style. It updates the original in an astounding way. It feels dark and visceral and is an amazing experience to watch. It didn't lose the essence of the original.

Even better, is that (like the original) I can watch it with my kid.

What was the alternative? Something focus-grouped to death, full of silly lines and written for the lowest common denominator. Or absolute worst-case, it could have been about the "internet." This film could have been "Transformers 2" or Pirates of the Caribbean 2, or or another in a long list of lack-luster, flash-in-the-pan sequels that are a collection of mindless effects and no coherent story. It also could have been T2 or Aliens, and sadly didn't rise to that level, but it was hardly crap.

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Saturday, June, 25, 2011 8:38 PM
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Saturday, June, 25, 2011 8:57 PM
Someone had to mention Pirates of the Caribbean...which reminded me of the most recent one, which has a track in it written by Eric Whitacre. Why it hit me that they should have Daft Punk + Eric Whitacre team up for a track in the new movie is beyond me. Whitacre doesn't write in a futuristic style, but I think his use of harmony and dissonance, and innovative techniques, along with the pure voices that sound best singing his music (oh hai Disney, call me for recording; I can provide vocal samples, like the vocal track I'd like to build into a musical theme for my OC in my story) could be really awesomely integrated into a futuristic/otherworldly/electronic sound. After all, much of the T:L soundtrack actually wasn't electronic. I would die if they did that. I wonder if Whitacre would accept a challenge like that or not...

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Saturday, June, 25, 2011 9:14 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:Funny observation: today I went to the $ theatre to see the animated 3-D film , Rio. I figured, even with all the kids, the colour and music and 3-D would keep them quiet. Not so. They fussed, ran up and down the aisles and made quite a bit of noise. Now during Tron Legacy, there were quite a few kids with their parents, and do you know that film, as dark and maybe not completely understandable for younger children, held their interest better than a cartoon? I don't know if Dad was sitting there, explaining what the movie meant but the kids enjoyed it and I even heard them talking about is they left the theatre.

This used to happen to me all the time to me as a kid. Movies like Burton's Batman, the original Terminator, The Black Hole and even the original TRON all had the same effect . . .

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 28, 2011 1:55 AM
I think we can all agree the script was not inspiring but its not really a disaster. However on other fronts...

The director is not adept at storytelling. PACING - he had poor rhythm and he is unable to manage his actors and actresses to look natural. There is alot of akwardness in the whole sequence at certain scenes like castor and the crowd in the bar scene. Everything from the dull blue drinks to the way the extras look at the lead actors, etc...

Second worst : vehicle design. The toys sales says it all really. look at syd mead's lightcycles still so sought after all these years and the value so much higher on ebay. why? bcos daniel simon failed to understand the nuances of a good design. His lightcycle silhouette is good mind you. but almost good is still not good enough for the iconic designs in tron world. Its either a masterpiece or nothng less. Harsh but thats the reality. And I can see alot of fanboys here is in denial given the silence on the vehicle design speaks volumes.

THE WORST ASPECT: WARDROBE

Ive mentioned this before. The biker material is cheap looking and is hideous when juxtaposed with neon lights and unnecessary bad perforation (even castor?! he rode no vehicle). Now, fashion crime is one thing. To actually steer off course so far away from the look and feel of retro futurism (80's new wave) is another. This is clearly a personal agenda from whoever that is in disney to ram this non computer related (grungy biker fashion fetish) art direction into the franchise. Its not in the spirit of the first movie which made it so iconic. you cannot give any good reason, conceptual or otherwise and change the colours and fabric. If you wanted to change it, you better be awesome at it and not some post x-men superhero lazy inspiration. Remember Tron 82 was iconoclastic, so every detail is a big challenge and risks are invovled. I would rather the director or producer took risk on some costume to be very "iconoclastic" and fall flat than be safe worse a bad taste follower of x-men leathery cast offs with perforations!!! wats with the perforations??? its not only not iconoclastic its not fashionable. Perforation was a late 90's fashion till the early 2000's. someone pls shoot the producer for being lazy.

The show is not without merit.

The director has his natural flair : Good points: The background architectural landscape and mood was good. Action scene: lightcycle action. (Its the reason he was given the roaring reception at the Comicon right? how tragic, he should have revealled more on his taste for clothes and maybe the producers would have reconsidered his omnipotency. He is an overglorified backdrop art director with a knack for action sequence made into a big budget movie director too sooooon.

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 29, 2011 6:48 AM
*sigh* Thank you for reminding me why I rarely read posts on this forum. :/

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 29, 2011 8:40 AM
FlynnsWrist Wrote:I think we can all agree the script was not inspiring but its not really a disaster. However on other fronts...

The director is not adept at storytelling. PACING - he had poor rhythm and he is unable to manage his actors and actresses to look natural. There is alot of akwardness in the whole sequence at certain scenes like castor and the crowd in the bar scene. Everything from the dull blue drinks to the way the extras look at the lead actors, etc...

Second worst : vehicle design. The toys sales says it all really. look at syd mead's lightcycles still so sought after all these years and the value so much higher on ebay. why? bcos daniel simon failed to understand the nuances of a good design. His lightcycle silhouette is good mind you. but almost good is still not good enough for the iconic designs in tron world. Its either a masterpiece or nothng less. Harsh but thats the reality. And I can see alot of fanboys here is in denial given the silence on the vehicle design speaks volumes.

THE WORST ASPECT: WARDROBE

Ive mentioned this before. The biker material is cheap looking and is hideous when juxtaposed with neon lights and unnecessary bad perforation (even castor?! he rode no vehicle). Now, fashion crime is one thing. To actually steer off course so far away from the look and feel of retro futurism (80's new wave) is another. This is clearly a personal agenda from whoever that is in disney to ram this non computer related (grungy biker fashion fetish) art direction into the franchise. Its not in the spirit of the first movie which made it so iconic. you cannot give any good reason, conceptual or otherwise and change the colours and fabric. If you wanted to change it, you better be awesome at it and not some post x-men superhero lazy inspiration. Remember Tron 82 was iconoclastic, so every detail is a big challenge and risks are invovled. I would rather the director or producer took risk on some costume to be very "iconoclastic" and fall flat than be safe worse a bad taste follower of x-men leathery cast offs with perforations!!! wats with the perforations??? its not only not iconoclastic its not fashionable. Perforation was a late 90's fashion till the early 2000's. someone pls shoot the producer for being lazy.

The show is not without merit.

The director has his natural flair : Good points: The background architectural landscape and mood was good. Action scene: lightcycle action. (Its the reason he was given the roaring reception at the Comicon right? how tragic, he should have revealled more on his taste for clothes and maybe the producers would have reconsidered his omnipotency. He is an overglorified backdrop art director with a knack for action sequence made into a big budget movie director too sooooon.

Another highlight which is synonymous: The Daft punk soundtrack. dramatic and already legendary.

I agree with most of this except the vehicle design. I thought the design retained the flair from 1982 and progressed well to today. Legacy did have pacing and plot holes, but thank god for a killer soundtrack and somewhat interesting fight/action sequences.
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 29, 2011 11:41 AM
Let's keep it simple. The only major problem was the story. Yes, there were other issues, like Flynn's dialog (which mostly came from Bridges), but they won't make or break a third film. We need to work on the story. We need a strong story, with lots of action/eye candy. If you want to see a fourth film and more, that's it.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online


 
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 30, 2011 11:28 AM
I'll tell you why, it's because people expected a popcorn flick with a run of the mill story that they didn't have to pay attention to.

What they got was a movie with a lot of little details, a movie that needed to have attention paid to it, a movie that asks philosophical, moral, scientific and ethical questions. It's a movie that combines greek mythology, norse mythology, the bible, the koran, world war 2, and a lot more. People were dissapointed that this wasn't a movie that followed the standard sci-fi/superhero structure, it was different. And people always fear things that are different.

EDIT: Also, I'm getting tired of hearing "WE NEVER FOUND OUT WHY QUORRA WAS SO SPESHAL"

SHE'S AN INDEPENDENTLY THINKING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT CREATED ITSELF, HOW WOULD THAT NOT ABSOLUTELY REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 30, 2011 1:03 PM
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Friday, July, 01, 2011 12:28 AM
The film got a lot of things right, but... It is not as groundbreaking, it is not as timeless, it is not as inventive, and it had a terrible script. Not story. Script.

Here are a few things that rubbed me the wrong way. What do you think?

I thought the philosophical aspects were so basic, and unexplored, that they seemed tacked on to make the story seem more intelligent than it was.

No scene pulling Sam in or out of the grid???

If my father, who I thought may be dead, was missing for that long, and I met up with him in a cyber world... You can bet it would go down differently than in Legacy.

Ham dinner with green beans?

Food colouring beverages?

Call me crazy, but I'm just not that into characters who are having a good ol' time when their lives are at risk. Pulls me out of the film. Flynn and Tron weren't hooting and hollering like extreme sports junkies in the final act of the original, and I'm betting none of us would in the same circumstance. There's a time and place for people (characters) to have fun, and take things seriously. Modern writers seem to have no idea how to distinguish between these moments.

That's all for now. I had a great time in the theatre with Legacy, but it was the music and the first 35 min that got me back to repeat viewings. That opening shot in 3D made me grin ear-to-ear when I first saw it.

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Friday, July, 01, 2011 8:22 PM
Unfortunately, I think the movie was not long enough for everything they should have done with it. I was bothered by the Flynn reunion scene as well, but for it to be done properly, it would've had to take a lot longer.

It's too bad the plot couldn't have been stretched over at least two movies. I know why they did just one, but it's still too bad.

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Friday, July, 01, 2011 8:25 PM
Theflynnabides Wrote:I'll tell you why, it's because people expected a popcorn flick with a run of the mill story that they didn't have to pay attention to.

What they got was a movie with a lot of little details, a movie that needed to have attention paid to it, a movie that asks philosophical, moral, scientific and ethical questions. It's a movie that combines greek mythology, norse mythology, the bible, the koran, world war 2, and a lot more. People were dissapointed that this wasn't a movie that followed the standard sci-fi/superhero structure, it was different. And people always fear things that are different.

EDIT: Also, I'm getting tired of hearing "WE NEVER FOUND OUT WHY QUORRA WAS SO SPESHAL"

SHE'S AN INDEPENDENTLY THINKING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT CREATED ITSELF, HOW WOULD THAT NOT ABSOLUTELY REVOLUTIONIZE EVERYTHING

^ This. Pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Thank you for this post. You speak truth.
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Monday, July, 04, 2011 3:05 PM
I think people expected another "Matrix" with all the kung-fu and superficial philosophy.




 
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Monday, July, 04, 2011 3:43 PM
Vaporware Wrote:I think people expected another "Matrix" with all the kung-fu and superficial philosophy.
And I hated the philosophy part because it did not make much sense in part 2 and 3 and it was way to confusing. Beside, I hate Matrix 3. Ruined the myth of the first film which I never saw again since 2005, though Matrix 1 is a timeless masterpiece.

People and especially kids who just know Transformers just cannot sit still in their seats when there is not action sequence for 3 minutes. Look at Transformers. BOOM, BANG, BRAKE everywhere... and the kiddies love it.

With TRON Legacy, which at least tried to put some depth into the story and its wonderful world, they could not get the demanded non-stop action. Thats why it was just a mediocre success and a bomb for Disney if you see PotC passing the billion.
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Monday, July, 04, 2011 3:57 PM
I thought both Matrix sequels killed the franchise. The original film didn't need a sequel. It was self-contained.

I just hope something similar doesn't happen here. Tron Legacy was decent. Pretty good, even. It doesn't need some sort of reboot, it was fine as it was. I've watched it many times with my daughter and she loves it too. She's five, but that's okay. I wasn't much older when I saw Tron the first time.

Maybe it's heresy to say so, but watching the original Tron again, I'm struck by how hard it is to grasp the plot. It really is kinda choppy and without extra material, it's hard to make sense of it all. This film was nothing like that. It's coherent, but and doesn't race to the bottom with camp and foolishness and it doesn't make the audience feel like it's being talked down to, either.

The real problem here is that the folks who assembled the trailers did their best to paint a story that did not materialize. The trailers suggested gladiatorial grid games fought for an indifferent "god" They suggested a Kevin Flynn that was lost physically and spiritually and Sam trying to find an redeem him. The dialogue and scenes were cleverly spliced together to make it look and sound like finding and redeeming Flynn within the Grid was going to be the story.

The trailers suggested we were getting a story that was a mix of Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" and Alexander Dumas' man in the Iron Mask - but instead we got something less. It's no wonder why 50% of critics rated it poorly.

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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Monday, July, 04, 2011 4:38 PM
Speaking of, I just saw Transformers: Dark of the Moon. All I can say, is that this movie makes Tron: Legacy seem like a masterpiece. The plot and story line were all over the place. Screenplay was a total mess. To make matter worse, I had to go #1 really bad towards the end of the movie...it seemed to go on and on, the movie I mean. All while I was watching, I was thinking, "How in the HELL can movie goers not like Tron:Legacy. There were at least three plot twists in Transformers DotM, that made me not care about the obvious ending. I did like how the human soldiers took the decepticons by surprise, and kicked some real butt. However, the emotion just wasn't there. Disney can make a Tron 3, at it will be much better than Transformers: DotM. I guarantee it.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion


 
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