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AriesT
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 3:47 PM
The story is NOT BAD, for god's sake!
It is just not as good as expected and not as good as some other high-budget SciFi films.
It is not fleshed out enough and maybe the key parts of the story were chosen wrong.

So we can be happy to have DiGilio on board. He seems to be a better story writer.

I hope they learn from their mistakes.
Telling the interesting parts of the story in the TV show and in the lead-in video game is not good. For TRON 3, if it will be made, they need to nail down a complete story, maybe with some side-story stuff for other media.

As I wrote in post 1 of page 2, we, the fans and TRON lovers and critics, have to get in contact with Disney or Kosinski or DiGilio or who ever is able to hear the fans' voices.
With our help and support, there will be no just-mediocre story like in T:L. In fact, we all know what has to happen next (in general, not in detail). We all know what the writers made wrong and what they could do better.
However, as always, they might not be aware of that, even in Kosinski told to be.

So, we need some experienced people like Argent, Jay, maybe me and one or two other users who are good in writing stories and talking to people in a constructive way. If we do not support the people in charge for the TRON franchise, the script for part 3 will not satisfy us once again!!
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FlynnOne
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 4:11 PM
AriesT Wrote:
As I wrote in post 1 of page 2, we, the fans and TRON lovers and critics, have to get in contact with Disney or Kosinski or DiGilio or who ever is able to hear the fans' voices.
With our help and support, there will be no just-mediocre story like in T:L. In fact, we all know what has to happen next (in general, not in detail). We all know what the writers made wrong and what they could do better.
However, as always, they might not be aware of that, even in Kosinski told to be.

So, we need some experienced people like Argent, Jay, maybe me and one or two other users who are good in writing stories and talking to people in a constructive way. If we do not support the people in charge for the TRON franchise, the script for part 3 will not satisfy us once again!!

I'd be interested in getting in on that bandwagon with you guys. Somewhat of a writer myself, and not bad at pitching a story either.
I've got a couple of post-Legacy Tron fics, continuing saga type of thing, and a few folks seem to like them. ("System Restore"; and "Real World") If the Tron franchise could somehow glean any ideas from anything I've written, I'd be quite honored to know I'd contributed. I'm sure several folks here are probably really strong writers. I know IluthraDanar is, and from what I've read of her fics they are fantastic.

So, yeah, I'm thinking probably a bunch of us here could really form quite a creative compendium if we all work together.
How would we all go about this?.......
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AriesT
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 4:25 PM
I started writing a post-apocalypse novel which takes place in Europe and Africa and in which the world is not a nuclear desert but a climate killer with deadly cold and deadly hot areas. Unfortunately, due to my apprenticeship I had to stop it at page 160. (of 320 planned)
However, act 1 is finished and multiple people liked the atmosphere and level of detail. Hm...maybe I can help.

I have a great idea for a final fighting sequence which really is a highlight, THE action highlight. Also, I have several approached about how the story can proceed without ignoring the grid neither the real world.

The big and actually insuperable problem is: How can we "scream" loud enough so Disney and the people in charge listen to us. I mean, it is not too difficult to build a script for TRON 3 which surpasses the 5.8 on rotten / 48 on metacritic.
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FlynnOne
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 4:46 PM
AriesT Wrote:
The big and actually insuperable problem is: How can we "scream" loud enough so Disney and the people in charge listen to us. I mean, it is not too difficult to build a script for TRON 3 which surpasses the 5.8 on rotten / 48 on metacritic.
We really need some contact person. Someone who might have influence. This is a tough task.


This is sort of a long shot, but a friend of mine has a few connects with Disney. He may or may not be able to help point us in the right direction, I dunno, but I'll ask him. I'll also ask him to check out this site and thread, if he's not already a member.

It's also very possible that a writers' team or R&D from Disney scouts this and other Tron sites anyway, who knows. Would not be surprised if that was the case.


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Pilgrim1099
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 4:50 PM
pilotpriest Wrote:Argent, you nailed it.

Lisberger told a full and complete story. Kosinski did his best to hide a badly constructed script.


EXACTLY. Like I said a long time ago, Kosinski is not at fault for this. He did what he was asked to do and did his job. For a former architect professional, that's impressive. This man has an eye of an artist. It was the writing team that faltered. When you have too many writers involved, it causes too many compromises and head-butting.

Plus, the tight schedule made it more challenging to get it done on the director's time and pace.

With this new writer, I hope they will bring it down to no more than 2 or 3 writers and get rid of the LOST boys. I had suggested on this board that Disney find an established science fiction writer familiar with cyberpunk themes. I'm glad they wised up. William Gibson would've been an interesting choice, though.




 
Pilgrim1099
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 5:03 PM
FlynnOne Wrote:

So, yeah, I'm thinking probably a bunch of us here could really form quite a creative compendium if we all work together.
How would we all go about this?.......

I was thinking that months ago and wondered why did'nt Disney tap into Tron Sector for this very reason? After all, is'nt Tron Sector the oldest and most hardcore Tron fan site in the world and Grid? We were all there in the very beginning and know this far better than the LOST hacks who probably were pretending to be "Tron fans".

And if they are this receptive, only the Tron Sector users should be allowed to be background characters in the next Tron film as compensation for being a valuable compendium and a live Daft Punk party to boot!

And resurrect the Power That Is Clu!

And I want Quorra next to me!


 
pilotpriest
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 7:14 PM
Well, here's what we do

We start a kickstarter fund:
http://www.kickstarter.com/
We create a concept thread. Once we are all happy with the direction, we assign writers based on samples and group vote.

They write a feature script.

Then... I shoot, edit , direct, and do the vfx, and we release it

Then... Disney sues us, but... We have an awesome Tron film.

Sound like fun?


 
Pilgrim1099
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 7:18 PM
pilotpriest Wrote:

Then... I shoot, edit , direct, and do the vfx, and we release it

Then... Disney sues us, but... We have an awesome Tron film.

Sound like fun?

Wait. Are you trying to pull a "Castor" here?



 
pilotpriest
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 8:08 PM
If you mean data binding framework, then yes

I was actually just messing about. It took me 3 weeks of no sleep to finish Destiny. I can only imagine the death I'd feel doing a feature all by my lonesome.

Although, I think a sequel concepts thread should be developed for us to explore ideas


 
IluthraDanar
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Tuesday, June, 21, 2011 8:36 PM
Argent Wrote:
IluthraDanar Wrote:(Maybe they ought to let Clu direct the sequel...)


******

With his ego, the whole movie would be about him. Since I'm a huge Clu fangirl, I would say this is acceptable to me. ;-).

You make some good points, Argent, but as a fan, I find it difficult to hack on a film I love. It's flawed to be sure but it entertained me and continues to do so with each viewing. Maybe the next one will improve on some of these flaws.


Sometimes I get the feeling people here take my criticisms of Legacy as mean-spirited attacks. I'm not trying to rip on the film. I'm just of the opinion that you can enjoy something while objectively acknowledging its flaws.

I loved Legacy myself, and there are a lot of things to love about it. I just feel that it could have been an even better film had some things been handled differently. With an animated series and a possible sequel on the horizon, I feel it's not a bad idea for fans to get their thoughts out there where they can be heard.

Who cares what the fans think? In any franchise! I've been a Star Trek fan since 1967, and the films made were a mixed bag of good and groan-worthy. Yet not once did anyone say "hey, fans, what do you think we should do" I just take what's given me, until the day I can make my own films. LOLOLOL.......*heads out for a beer*order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill


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Pilgrim1099
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 6:49 AM
pilotpriest Wrote:If you mean data binding framework, then yes

I was actually just messing about. It took me 3 weeks of no sleep to finish Destiny. I can only imagine the death I'd feel doing a feature all by my lonesome.

Although, I think a sequel concepts thread should be developed for us to explore ideas

lol. Well, at least, let me storyboard it. I did this for an Indie film scene back in Cleveland several years back and now am doing s-boards for a game project.

Then again, there's always fan fiction or anthological tales woven together. An Indie Tron film would not be a bad way to go, but for the background environments, you'll want Terragen 3D software which the Legacy team used. I've had an idea of how to create a Tron story taking place between Legacy and part 3 as a way to clean up the glitches ressurecting Flynn and Clu. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion


 
Argent
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 7:22 AM
Kat Wrote:I wonder if they didn't, in part, not show it because they'd have a hard time making it realistic? I mean, four at once for a dude who's new to disc battles? I find that hard to believe. As we found out in the club, even Quorra can't take on several at once. So maybe they figured if they didn't show it, the audience could imagine any number of plausible scenarios without having to say "yeah right, some n00b who nearly got his ass handed to him in the disc arena at his first fight has suddenly gone all Tron-like?"

Sam was thrust into the games almost the moment he set foot on the Grid. Still disoriented from the shock of finding himself in another world, handed an unfamiliar weapon and forced to fight for his life, he still was able to take out two opponents (the second one by deflecting a shot in mid-floor slide), and even managed a pretty respectable showing against Rinzler, the most skilled warrior on the Grid. He was obviously a noob, definitely, but you could also see the raw potential there. The fight with the guards would have shown the audience what a determined, focused Sam could do.

FlynnOne Wrote:It's also very possible that a writers' team or R&D from Disney scouts this and other Tron sites anyway, who knows. Would not be surprised if that was the case.

I wouldn't be surprised either. Offhand, I can think of one poster here who was involved in the development of the game Tron 2.0 and is (IIRC) a friend of Mr. Lisberger's, and another poster who worked on the effects for Legacy at Digital Domain. I imagine there are others who lurk here that we don't know about. It's nice to imagine that they notice threads like these. It may even be true.

IluthraDanar Wrote:Who cares what the fans think? In any franchise! I've been a Star Trek fan since 1967, and the films made were a mixed bag of good and groan-worthy. Yet not once did anyone say "hey, fans, what do you think we should do" I just take what's given me, until the day I can make my own films. LOLOLOL.......*heads out for a beer*

Star Trek? You mean the series that was renewed for a third season because of a letter-writing campaign organized by the fans? ; )

Producers, directors and scriptwriters may not ask fans for their input, but that doesn't mean they're not listening. Realistically, I don't expect a rep from Disney to come to the forums searching for a spec script for their next movie. I do think it's possible that someone working on a sequel will look around on the net to gauge peoples' responses to the last film and get an idea of what they're hoping for in the next, and come across topics like this one.

There's no telling if our opinions will reach the ears of anyone who matters. Even if we do somehow end up influencing the direction of the sequel, we may never know for certain that something they did (or didn't do) was because of us. But organizing our thoughts and putting them where they can be seen doesn't cost us anything, and it might make a difference somewhere along the line. So why not do it?order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill


 
FlynnOne
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 7:47 AM
Argent Wrote: Even if we do somehow end up influencing the direction of the sequel, we may never know for certain that something they did (or didn't do) was because of us. But organizing our thoughts and putting them where they can be seen doesn't cost us anything, and it might make a difference somewhere along the line. So why not do it?

I think it's a wonderful way to show our support and admiration for the Tron film franchise and to help foster the fan enthusiasm which can only help bring the Tron3 sequel to it's fruition.




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cool83
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 8:43 AM
pilotpriest Wrote:If you mean data binding framework, then yes

I was actually just messing about. It took me 3 weeks of no sleep to finish Destiny. I can only imagine the death I'd feel doing a feature all by my lonesome.

Although, I think a sequel concepts thread should be developed for us to explore ideas

Who says it has to be feature length. Just make another Destiny. That was an awesome trailer, excellent work. I say you start a new thread, where we each give a BRIEF story line, with a written scene from within the story. As far as Tron 3, I'm not worried. David Digilio's strong points are Character devolopment/dialog and Screen Adaptation. He will be sure to show the BEST of all current and new characters in the story. The fact that Disney put pen in his hand tells me they know full well where Legacy fell short. So let's see your ideas and what you've got. Start the new thread, with directions and your own example...if you be SO kind.


 
IluthraDanar
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 10:28 AM
Heck, if nothing else, it would be fun.


Forget it, Mr High and Mighty Master Control. You aren't making me talk.


 
Argent
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 3:48 PM
pilotpriest Wrote:Although, I think a sequel concepts thread should be developed for us to explore ideas

I'd be down for that.
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Darth Tronage
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Wednesday, June, 22, 2011 7:44 PM
Argent, those were some great points. I thought the movie was ok but not great. My brother hated it. He found it very confusing. But of course, he found the very first movie confusing, so that's not saying much.

I do believe he would have understood the movie more if Disney didn't require viewers to read the books, comics, play the games or see the previous movie to fill in the gaps. Something, Kosinski claimed viewers didn't need to do. And a lot of the build ups you mentioned did, disappointingly, go nowhere. Typical of the LOST boys.

I liked the original because it was direct. Everything you needed to understand was in the film. A scene that was confusing in Legacy was how Sam entered the computer world. No transition. Just a flash of light and him in an alternate version of the secret room. The original Tron made it clear that Kevin was being transported into another world. The visual clues made it clear it wasn't organic but technological. And how the laser worked was explained. Given how old the original was, I think it was necessary to explain it again or recap what happened in the original movie. At the very least encourage others to see the original and not claim it wasn't necessary.

I'm excited they are giving it another go and that they went with a different writer. I'd actually be fine with a different director if he was true to the original. For me the whole "isomorphic algorithms" was just as goofy as "midichlorians" in Star Wars.

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cool83
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 23, 2011 12:21 PM
Don't get me started on Midichlorians, Jar-Jar Binks, or the Vampire Club Dance Scene in Zion (Matrix Reloaded). Any way, here is a rescent quick interview with Garrett Hedlund about Tron 3. I think Disney is listening to it's critics, most of which are, or wanted to be, hugh fans.

Garrett Hedlund: "It's being written. Disney is doing everythin right. So, I'm excited to see what happens."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWbqoH5qN-g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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pilotpriest
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 23, 2011 7:17 PM
Well.

You guys might think I'm crazy, but... After I'm finished my first feature film next year (keep your eyes open on IMDB) ... I am going to seriously bid to direct the next film

I'm going to create that thread for sequel concepts right now.

http://vimeo.com/pilotpriest/videos


 
cool83
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RE: Why does the world hate TRON Legacy?

on Thursday, June, 23, 2011 9:52 PM
Great work on the re-edit. Much tighter and to the plot point. Hard to cut up your babies, but it runs much smoother. I saw your new thread. I will post a story outline and brief scene, with dialog. I really think the bad guy(Black Hat) will be a new, more dangerous/deadly MCP. Ed Dillinger jr. will start out as the bad guy, but will soon realize his mistake. I see him fighting along side Sam, Quarra, Flynn, and Tron. Again, excellent work.


 
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