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I would guess it's totally removed from any part of the plot that makes sense and it's because Jeff Bridges was the big name so he needed a part in the romance. Sometimes writers go "and then this happens, because it is cinematic and would look so amazing." But they are so set in that they forget about character arc, plot and motivation.

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rimwall Wrote: rimwall Wrote: Kat Wrote:Yori looks like she's laughing at the two dudes getting all territorial. interesting choice of words. my first choice of words would be tron being protective. hmm... i guess gals and guys are wired to think differently. oops my first choice was yori was smiling at the extra attention my second choice was yori was smiling at tron's protectiveness the territoriality option never entered my mind until kat mentioned it. (my guess is my brain is not wired to notice displays of territoriality)

That's okay, because my brain is not wired to notice displays of thinking two dudes apparently fighting over a woman is a good kind of "extra attention".... (now I am having a mental picture of Castor hosting a Jerry-Springer type show...)

rimwall Wrote:hmmm... maybe that's why he shouted "you've done enough already" at sam -while he never got angry at quorra even after she admitted that she sent sam to a dangerous situation (sam going to castor).

It also seemed to me like he would've been mad at Sam even if Quorra hadn't gotten hurt.

But he also never got angry that she blasted her way into the heart of CLU central (not exactly covertly either) to spring Sam from the games.

scifichicx Wrote:I don't even want to get into my theory of the accidental boy's club in the TRON universe. I could write an academic essay on it.

Disney has been notoriously bad for having primarily male-driven plots in its stories. They never even seemed to know how to write a tale that had a female as the main protagonist. They tried it with Mulan and it was a flop. Though more recently, with Enchanted and Tangled, seems like they're finally getting the hang of it. With TRON... well... at least it seems like they weren't afraid of having the strongest warrior on the side of good to be a girl. (Now having thoughts of a Quorra vs. Rinzler fight)
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Tron Fanatic Wrote: rimwall Wrote:hmmm... maybe that's why he shouted "you've done enough already" at sam -while he never got angry at quorra even after she admitted that she sent sam to a dangerous situation (sam going to castor). It also seemed to me like he would've been mad at Sam even if Quorra hadn't gotten hurt. But he also never got angry that she blasted her way into the heart of CLU central (not exactly covertly either) to spring Sam from the games. scifichicx Wrote:I don't even want to get into my theory of the accidental boy's club in the TRON universe. I could write an academic essay on it. Disney has been notoriously bad for having primarily male-driven plots in its stories. They never even seemed to know how to write a tale that had a female as the main protagonist. They tried it with Mulan and it was a flop. Though more recently, with Enchanted and Tangled, seems like they're finally getting the hang of it. With TRON... well... at least it seems like they weren't afraid of having the strongest warrior on the side of good to be a girl. (Now having thoughts of a Quorra vs. Rinzler fight)

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i'm going to post this before i loose this train of thought
(just thinking out loud)

if we consider all of flynn's creations as his
children - then quorra is the only child who
benefited from the full attention and wisdom of the father.

little wonder that quorra is the most balanced
child, the one ready to leave the nest (for the right reasons).
with the father's blessings to boot.(clu was the one without blessing)

compare sam's reluctance at leaving flynn (at the portal), with
quorra's acceptance of flynn's wishes.

remember sam's reluctance on leaving flynn behind.
that's not just sam the man but sam the little boy.
sam (at the portal) still cannot accept a life without
his father -despite spending twenty years without flynn.

quorra on the other hand is ready to leave the grid,
after spending a thousand years with flynn as her
father figure, she is ready for her "own" life.

there was no need for prolonged good-byes between
father and adopted daughter. flynn's last words to quorra
"go" was all that was needed.

in short quorra was the only child who grew up.
-and the only child deemed ready to move on
-the only child flynn can rely on to follow his wishes
-the only child who will not whine like a girl even
if flynn gets left behind

by the way sam's reluctance on leaving flynn
reminds me of a child's first day in school

quorra got the best "grown-up part" of all.
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rimwall Wrote:i'm going to post this before i loose this train of thought (just thinking out loud) if we consider all of flynn's creations as his children - then quorra is the only child who benefited from the full attention and wisdom of the father. little wonder that quorra is the most balanced child, the one ready to leave the nest (for the right reasons). with the father's blessings to boot.(clu was the one without blessing) compare sam's reluctance at leaving flynn (at the portal), with quorra's acceptance of flynn's wishes. remember sam's reluctance on leaving flynn behind. that's not just sam the man but sam the little boy. sam (at the portal) still cannot accept a life without his father -despite spending twenty years without flynn. quorra on the other hand is ready to leave the grid, after spending a thousand years with flynn as her father figure, she is ready for her "own" life. there was no need for prolonged good-byes between father and adopted daughter. flynn's last words to quorra "go" was all that was needed. in short quorra was the only child who grew up. -and the only child deemed ready to move on -the only child flynn can rely on to follow his wishes -the only child who will not whine like a girl even if flynn gets left behind by the way sam's reluctance on leaving flynn reminds me of a child's first day in school quorra got the best "grown-up part" of all.

Well, Quorra also understands what Flynn is getting at (and she's spent a thousand years with him and probably knows he feels guilty and needs to make things right). She understands WHY he has to do what he's doing. Sam can't really be expected to; he's still totally a Grid n00b. He still really has no true idea of what the whole Clu thing is about or how this place works. And let's face it: mature or not, nobody wants to leave someone they love to die. Sam's spent the whole film being proactive and not wanting to give up without a fight; I don't expect him to stop now.

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Kat Wrote:BUT. How much did he explain to Quorra? We don't know. He may have kept her in the dark too and just told her, "look, we need to switch so if Clu grabs my disc on the way out, he's really getting yours." And, for all we know, that may indeed have been his plan all along and circumstances just changed at the last minute. So maybe he didn't lie to ANYBODY. (Although I daresay it does seem like there was that one moment on the Solar Sailer when he definitely comes to some sort of important conclusion)

we actually know some parts of what he told her because of her actions at
the portal

im going to put the summation here on top:
quorras actions will be dictated by whether flynn told her a
partial truth or the whole truth about his wishes

we should note the dialog at the portal when quorra said "it's what he wants"

flynn : sam it's time
sam: no
quorra: sam it's what he wants
sam: i'm not leaving you

in the context of the scene flynn is obviously saying
"it's time to leave" and since there is a wide gap between them
flynn is obviously saying "it's time to leave without me"

and since quorra said "it's what he wants" that can only mean
flynn already told quorra his wishes.



we should also take note of this scene:

right after clu kicked flynn down, quorra was immediately at flynn's
side. she made no move to protect sam even after clu attacked sam.
she was still at flynn's side.

now lets assume that flynn did not tell quorra that he wanted her
to leave with sam.

her reaction would be to protect flynn and not leave flynn's side.

instead what happened was her priority changed from flynn to
protecting sam. let me re-phrase that:

her priority changed from protecting her adopted father to
protecting sam

if flynn did not tell quorra his true wishes - she would
not be changing priorities - she would still be protecting flynn.

here's a question- if quorra was given a choice of protecting
her adopted father or sam. who do we think she will choose?

sam is nothing to quorra if compared to her emotional attachment
to flynn her adopted father.

only the full truth or full explicit expression of flynn's wishes will
make quorra change priorities.

because if it is an "open-for-interpretation-type-of-wish"
then quorra would protect flynn not sam.

in fact i could almost imagine it in my head while quorra
was hovering over the fallen flynn:
"are you sure you don't want me to protect you from clu?
you're injured -you can't fight him alone. who's going to take care of you?"

i could almost feel the conflict in quorra, the despair of
leaving her father to protect some twerp from the real-world



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rimwall Wrote: Kat Wrote:(Although I daresay it does seem like there was that one moment on the Solar Sailer when he definitely comes to some sort of important conclusion) i agree. in fact if we look at the end results - we could say flynn has been consistently taking advantage of situations to manipulate events to his preferred end result what is flynn's end result: stay and fix the grid from the inside. the original plan in the solar sailer was for sam alone to leave via portal and maybe enlist allans help in destroying clu from the outside. end result: flynn stays behind when flynn exchanged disks with quorra in the lightjet (knowing full well that the laser only has enough matter for two beings) end result: flynn stays behind after the dinner scene talking in the redoubt. when flynn was insisting on waiting for the revolution end result: flynn stays behind right after quorra's capture by rinzler flynn insisted on sticking with the original plan end result: flynn stays behind. (of course flynn's concern for quorra made it easy for sam to win that argument) lesson number 1: protect your sister

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