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Posts: 1,461 | Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 2:39 PM
This has been eating at the back of my mind for a while now and then seeing that another Tron page had been created, I thought, "This isn't a huge community and dividing it in half is just completely unnecessary. Then I thought, why IS the community still so small? Has there not just been a huge film in theaters that made a box office killing?
I thought back to when Tron 2.0 (the game) came out. These forums were far more active than they are now, and I couldn't count the number of new regulars that poured in. Amazingly, though nobody was happy with the kind of sales that Tron 2.0 made, it seemed to bring a lot more fans here than Legacy did. I don't understand why but that seems to be what happened.
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Imbroglio
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Posts: 416 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 2:53 PM
Legacy doesn't have the same elements that Tron did to attain cult status. IMO Legacy is pretty much just another big budget special effects film that really will have little influence on its audience like the original. The magic and wonder just isn't there. order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 6:59 PM
I don't think T:L has the makings of a cult film like the original did. The original was groundbreaking; not only was it something new and awesome to geek out over, but it inspired a whole generation of computer geeks and gamers who remember that fact fondly.
T:L is just another action movie...most people will probably like it for a while but won't "follow" it like they did the original. My guess is that most of the most hardcore fans were already fans from the original, and they like T:L because it's related to the original. Then there are probably a few fans like me who saw T:L and wondered where on earth the original had been all their life. I imagine there are some also that came to it solely from T:L and don't give a rip about the original as well, but I just don't feel like T:L inspires that kind of following for most viewers, who probably thought "cool action, the glowing stuff was cool, the women were hot, the music was great" but got over it relatively quickly. It just wasn't as innovative and such as the old one; computer movies of some stripe are a dime a dozen these days, whether it's conspiracy theories, computerized robots in our world...and, well, people in a computer world, a la The Matrix, etc. etc. It's not that "new" to contemporary viewers.
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typicaltronname
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Posts: 1,667 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 7:19 PM
Well, take my case for example.
I had been a fan of Tron for a year and had just seen Tron: Legacy three days prior to joining this site.
I didn't consider joining a forum that whole year before Tron: Legacy, mainly because I just wasn't interested in joining a forum.
What made me change my view, I don't know. Maybe it was the excitement of the movie and that spurned me to want to talk more about it, so I joined this site.
I somewhat agree with Imbroglio above, it's true Legacy doesn't have the same magic Tron had. Tron is a blast. Tron: Legacy, on the other hand, even though still a blast, just didn't have the same heart Tron had.
To make Tron, the filmmakers really had to struggle and that, I think, made them work harder to make a film people would like.
Add to that, Tron was right on the heels of the golden age of video games. So a movie about being trapped in a computer appealed to kids more.
For Legacy, technologic achievements made it easier to make the film in a world where CG is used in almost every movie and almost every household has a computer. The computer is no longer one of those mysterious things that took up a whole room, they're very well known these days.
Personally, I wish the aesthetics of Tron: Legacy would have been more faithful to the original, but I understand why it wasn't.
| Tron Fanatic Wrote:This has been eating at the back of my mind for a while now and then seeing that another Tron page had been created.. |
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Posts: 7 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 8:24 PM
Not sure it succeeded into making new fans.
You have to remember, when the original TRON was released, the world was a different place and something as unique as TRON was and the concepts it held, made it stood out.
But nowadays? There was nothing really groundbreaking in T:L. Perhaps if it had beaten Avatar to be the first movie to use 3D, it may have had a chance to reach the original's status, but as it stands? T:L gets lost amid the crowd kind oforder abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 9:16 PM
As much as I love T:L, I can see where it doesn't have the new fan base that say, Star Trek 2009 got. I have seen parents/fans of Star Trek dress up the little ones and you know they will be indoctrinated into the fandom. But as I left the theatre of T:L, a man was asking his young son what part he liked best. I hung back as long as I could, but heard nothing. Maybe the new film can't win new fans because some don't see it as Tron.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:05 PM
| IluthraDanar Wrote:As much as I love T:L, I can see where it doesn't have the new fan base that say, Star Trek 2009 got. I have seen parents/fans of Star Trek dress up the litte ones and you know they will indoctrinated into the fandom. But as I left the theatre of T:L, a man was asking his young son what part he liked best. I hung back as long as I could, but heard nothing. Maybe the new film can't win new fans because some don't see it as Tron. |
Oh, good point. Definitely a different look and feel...I suspect some fans of T:L are fans only because it has the Tron nameplate on it....and some wouldn't care so much if it was just marketed as another action sci-fi movie.
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MCPcomputer
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Posts: 1,945 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:22 PM
Well I can say this:
On other movie forums I saw a lot of younger views like 17 years old saying
Tron Legacy was awesome and they became a fan and were interested in seeing the first one.
When I was at ElecTRONica it was mostly younger fans and teens who kept asking me about my Identity Disc....
And I met this very young boy with his mom who started chatting with me about how much he loved Tron Legacy.... and about how he liked my Identity Discs.. i had two on me that night...
He told me how he was excited to see the first one..
I told him you're gonna love the first one! I won't say to much.. but you
will see WHY there is Flynn's arcade... and how Flynn started out..
and his eyes got big.. and his facial expression was priceless!
I told him ... it's a story from long ago.. from 1982...
but one day soon you will see it...
So just because they are not here..
does not mean new younger fans aren't out there..
for one they probably don't know to type in tron sector in google...
or maybe they just don't go on forums...
most young people these days join facebook etc..
so they probably joined a fan group on there...
and if you look at the fan numbers on facebook
there is a whole slew of em! and a lot of them a from the younger generation...
And once they see the first Tron.. they will be able to experience
the magic and wonder of the first one..   
ALSO: It COULD be.. that a lot of programs
are simply busy watching Tron and Tron Legacy on DVD and Blu Ray!
I knew I was since the release.. and I have noticed...
less activity on the forums since the home DVDs and Blu Rays have been released...
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:28 PM
I love T:L not only for the SFX and the new look, but for the story of Flynn and everyone he has touched in his life. Without that tie from the old film, I wonder if I would have loved it as much.
Oh, and as someone else said, marketing was very poor considering it was a Disney film. No McDonald's tie-ins? I saw a film magazine at the bookstore but it was so sparse in info, I didn' t buy it. Compare that to the new Thor film magazine, big, beautiful, glossy. There have been several kiddie books and the one art of book. Toys fans say are poorly made or scarce. Flubbed it up, Disney!
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MCPcomputer
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Posts: 1,945 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:30 PM
Yeah Flynn... that's what I mostly wanted to see..
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:34 PM
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Traahn
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Posts: 3,301 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 10:57 PM
I think T:L brought quite a few newcomers here... starting with the SDCC Comicon concept trailer release. I don't remember how many newcomers Tron 2.0 brought to help compare, though. It's felt like there's been a steady decline of activity from tenured Sectorites relative to newcomers' activity.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill
    
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 11:13 PM
| Traahn Wrote:I think T:L brought quite a few newcomers here... starting with the SDCC Comicon concept trailer release. I don't remember how many newcomers Tron 2.0 brought to help compare, though. It's felt like there's been a steady decline of activity from tenured Sectorites relative to newcomers' activity. |
Maybe this is common. I belong to another fansite and over the last few months, we have new people but us oldtimers tend to lurk and not post much anymore.
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Gridlord
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Posts: 46 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 11:23 PM
I saw the original when I was 5 or 6. Honestly there were three reasons why the original was so cool to me.
First, as was already brought out, computers were new and if you played video games back than there was a huge difference in imagination. If you went to an arcade you would find dozens of DIFFERENT kinds of video games. Since the nineties, when you go to an arcade you find basically racers, shooters and fighters. The same goes on the home consoles. Video game companies simply wait to see what sells then just copy it with a different story. All except maybe Nintendo and Sega. So video games were a lot more fascinating. You didn't know what you were going to find next at the arcades.
Second, simply put Flynn. He's cool and cocky. But like Han Solo, he proves he'll make any sacrifice for his friends.
Legacy does have heart, and its not simply an action flic. There's deeply emotional points showing the love Kevin has for Sam. When he's forced to choose between his two "children", one being a vain reflection of himself, the other his flesh and blood. He chooses his flesh and blood son.
That being said, it brings me to my third reason. Legacy is a dark story. After I left the theater, I actually felt depressed for the next few hours. The original was an overall happy movie. I felt good when it ended.
I think if Legacy has a sequel, or spawns a new trilogy, but ends happy with at least the main characters still alive by the end (Sam, Kevin, Tron, Alan, Quorra) It will create a greater fan base if written well of course.
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IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 11:39 PM
Gridlord Wrote:I saw the original when I was 5 or 6. Honestly there were three reasons why the original was so cool to me.
First, as was already brought out, computers were new and if you played video games back than there was a huge difference in imagination. If you went to an arcade you would find dozens of DIFFERENT kinds of video games. Since the nineties, when you go to an arcade you find basically racers, shooters and fighters. The same goes on the home consoles. Video game companies simply wait to see what sells then just copy it with a different story. All except maybe Nintendo and Sega. So video games were a lot more fascinating. You didn't know what you were going to find next at the arcades.
Second, simply put Flynn. He's cool and cocky. But like Han Solo, he proves he'll make any sacrifice for his friends.
Legacy does have heart, and its not simply an action flic. There's deeply emotional points showing the love Kevin has for Sam. When he's forced to choose between his two "children", one being a vain reflection of himself, the other his flesh and blood. He chooses his flesh and blood son.
That being said, it brings me to my third reason. Legacy is a dark story. After I left the theater, I actually felt depressed for the next few hours. The original was an overall happy movie. I felt good when it ended.
I think if Legacy has a sequel, or spawns a new trilogy, but ends happy with at least the main characters still alive by the end (Sam, Kevin, Tron, Alan, Quorra) It will create a greater fan base if written well of course. |
Love your points. I agree, videos games tend to be tone, although from what I see of Wii, you have lots of choices of games to play. But growing up with arcades meant hanging out with your friends. Everything is at home now.
Legacy is darker in more ways than one. The bad guy isn't that bad, although he could be cruel. I wanted Clu saved in some way as much as I wanted Sam, Quorra and yes, Flynn saved too. Flynn of old was delightful. The triangle between he, Alan and Lora is eternal, but with them, there was no animosity. Hell, they became good friends! The way he says "Bradley"...must have been nice knowing your best friend looked after your son while you were gone.
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mastercilinder
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Posts: 399 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Monday, April, 25, 2011 11:59 PM
I think there might be 2 reasons it didn't make any new fans . . .
1. People never new about the old Tron, never cared for it if they did and just dismissed Legacy.
2. Some people may have never heard of this site. I know lots of people on deviantart who claim to be fans, and just don't know about this place.
That and sequels are better at holding fans, not generating new ones . . .
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on Tuesday, April, 26, 2011 12:53 AM
MCPcomputer Wrote:Well I can say this:
On other movie forums I saw a lot of younger views like 17 years old saying
Tron Legacy was awesome and they became a fan and were interested in seeing the first one.
So just because they are not here..
does not mean new younger fans aren't out there..
for one they probably don't know to type in tron sector in google...
or maybe they just don't go on forums...
most young people these days join facebook etc..
so they probably joined a fan group on there...
and if you look at the fan numbers on facebook
there is a whole slew of em! and a lot of them a from the younger generation...
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I have to agree with MCP you know why? Because I am one of those new fans. I was always familiar with the original Tron, but never really got into it like I did with Star Wars or Star Trek. Its what my family grew up on. Any way I am part of that new generation of Tron fans that was brought about by Tron Legacy.
And guess what? A whole group of us became Tron fans because of this movie. Where did we talk about it? Mainly facebook and twitter. Some of my friends even preferred Legacy over the original (blasphemy to some of you I know). They went online to share things like "best movie I have seen in a while. " or "Tron Legacy is two thumbs up!" etc.
We will be there to watch the sequel when it comes out in theaters thanks to Legacy.
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Posts: 443 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Tuesday, April, 26, 2011 8:16 AM
Great question TF and good responses by all. I concur that the Original Tron came at a very unique time, when personal computers were not common place but where viewed as the next big thing, and the movie could play into that whole mysterious-ness of computers while creating effects never seen before.
Tron Legacy didn't do anything like that, it was just a big budget special effects film much like many others today.
So to grow the fanbase now, you have to explore the Tron concept in new ways. Had they pulled in the world of the Internet, then I think the impact would have been much bigger. Suddenly you have a whole new way of viewing what you consider your typical ONLINE lifestyle. Long ago Tron was a new way of viewing that personal computer, but nowdays a computer not connect to the internet is just a paper weight. So they need to make today's lifestyle reflected in the movie and push that boundry forward.
They also need to continue to feed people more Tron material on a continual basis. The excitement of Legacy will wear off quickly and if the only fall back is a 80's movie then something else will grab attention and Tron will be forgotten. So new material, good material, in the form of Books, games, short films, TV show tie ins, and anything else needs to happen. As a steady flow of Tron material goes out, the inflow of new fans will come in.
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Was TL better at making money than it was at making fans?
on Tuesday, April, 26, 2011 8:59 PM
ChessMess Wrote:Great question TF and good responses by all. I concur that the Original Tron came at a very unique time, when personal computers were not common place but where viewed as the next big thing, and the movie could play into that whole mysterious-ness of computers while creating effects never seen before.
Tron Legacy didn't do anything like that, it was just a big budget special effects film much like many others today.
So to grow the fanbase now, you have to explore the Tron concept in new ways. Had they pulled in the world of the Internet, then I think the impact would have been much bigger. Suddenly you have a whole new way of viewing what you consider your typical ONLINE lifestyle. Long ago Tron was a new way of viewing that personal computer, but nowdays a computer not connect to the internet is just a paper weight. So they need to make today's lifestyle reflected in the movie and push that boundry forward.
They also need to continue to feed people more Tron material on a continual basis. The excitement of Legacy will wear off quickly and if the only fall back is a 80's movie then something else will grab attention and Tron will be forgotten. So new material, good material, in the form of Books, games, short films, TV show tie ins, and anything else needs to happen. As a steady flow of Tron material goes out, the inflow of new fans will come in.
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