Kat Wrote: WildWill Wrote:Yeah, I think Clu thought that he could use the biological data stored in the laser to construct an army of programs in the real world. Can you imagine though, if perhaps he did manage to squeeze, say 300 programs into the laser, and the laser used Flynn's biological data to form 300 miniature programs/humans instead of one big one? I can just imagine! *Bends over and looks at floor* "Awwww, look, they're so cute! Hey, ow, that was my ankle, asshole!"

HAHA! It'd the movie "Toy Soldiers" all over again

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overRIDE Wrote:Another application is Quantum Teleportation. If two locations with lasers were networked, you could easily use The Grid to get to anywhere in the world.

Well, not really. If your matter is stored in the laser in New York, how are you going to rez back into the real world in Paris? (and no, I don't fancy people being like U-Hauls where you drop off your matter in New York and pick up somebody else's that is in Paris and meanwhile somebody else rezzes into New York using your matter...too creepy!)

CorrupTron Wrote: overRIDE Wrote:Another application is Quantum Teleportation. If two locations with lasers were networked, you could easily use The Grid to get to anywhere in the world. And it would be called a "Transporter."

I still would prefer apparating. Unless Jason Statham were my transporter maybe. (I always meant to write a story about what might happen if there really were teleporters...imagine what it would do to the travel industry--no planes trains or automobiles; no hotels because you'd just go home at night to sleep then go back on vacation in the morning, etc. You could go to India for lunch rather than the Indian restaurant down the street.)

Tron Fanatic Wrote: Kat Wrote:I still would prefer apparating. Unless Jason Statham were my transporter maybe. (I always meant to write a story about what might happen if there really were teleporters...imagine what it would do to the travel industry--no planes trains or automobiles; no hotels because you'd just go home at night to sleep then go back on vacation in the morning, etc. You could go to India for lunch rather than the Indian restaurant down the street.) I wouldn't go near it. I'm convinced that if matter 'could' be deconstructed and then reintegrated like that, while it'd be fine for delivering packages, I'm convinced that when the matter was reassembled, it wouldn't be my consciousness anymore. Call it a question of whether or not humans have souls, which is the first thing that freaked me out, but then I realized that even if there is no soul, that the end result could still be the same. Same matter... same molecules put all in the exact same places, maybe the individual would survive. But if its entirely new matter, which is likely the case with long-distance transport, then probably not. It would be an entirely different person. Same memories, behaviors, and such, but still just a clone. 'course, if there IS a soul, then death in such a situation might not be permanent. I've sometimes wondered if astral projection would have to come into play, and while the body was in transition, the mind/spirit/psyche/whatever would be freely floating around like in Flatliners, and it would have to navigate its way to the new body that was materializing wherever.

It'd probably be the same way going to the Grid then too, I assume you're saying...

Although, hell...my cells are regenerating all the time...parts of me are not the same person I was last week, let alone ten years ago!

/Charon Wrote:Why would it be creepy if one would get back into the real world at another location with the laser using the same kind of matter, just not the same matter? You realised yourself that we are made up of completely different atoms after enough time, which is if I'm not mistaken about 20 years. When someone is digitized their matter is disintegrated to molecules, so if you used someone elses matter to get to some other place in the RL when going out of the grid, just think of it as if you ate and breathed all the atoms that the other person did over the last few years, instead of them. I don't think if humanity had access to the grid, that it'd turn into the same bull. Of course at the beginning everyone would still act like where they came from, but it's a totally different world. No one sells stuff when everyone has everything, because no one wants to buy it. When people figured out everything about how the grid works, they could modify it to whatever they want. O:

Gradual replacement of atoms or cells is a lot different from the throne of consciousness completely disappearing in the blink of an eye. There's really no telling what would happen, and it probably wouldn't even be testable, because the replicated person is going to walk, talk, and think exactly like the original.

Let's look at it a different way though. If teleportation were indeed possible the way it is presented in Star Trek, etc: we're broken apart, our data gets stored, and then transmitted, and somewhere else, a device plucks raw matter and reintegrates it, since the same matter is being used, there's no reason to actually destroy the original copy. It's just as feasible to just record the data, and then duplicate it. So if this were done, would both bodies be YOUR consciousness? Would you be seeing things in some kind of mental split-vision, consciously aware of both bodies? No. your consciousness would still be in the original, and the replica would have its own. See what I'm saying now?

So if the original is 'destroyed', then your consciousness is dead. And you'll be replaced, more or less, by a doppelganger.

But yeah, the astral projection concept I mentioned, is partially why something like the Grid would have to exist. In order for the consciousness to arrive in the new body, it would have to remain intact, and make its way from one laser-linked computer to the other.

CorrupTron Wrote: overRIDE Wrote:Another application is Quantum Teleportation. If two locations with lasers were networked, you could easily use The Grid to get to anywhere in the world. And it would be called a "Transporter."

Actually, I think the original purpose of the digitizing laser was teleportation. Evidence:

1) "Great, can it send me to Hawaii?"
2) The orange is digitized on one table and re-materialized on another as an early test

Tron Fanatic Wrote:Gradual replacement of atoms or cells is a lot different from the throne of consciousness completely disappearing in the blink of an eye. There's really no telling what would happen, and it probably wouldn't even be testable, because the replicated person is going to walk, talk, and think exactly like the original. Let's look at it a different way though. If teleportation were indeed possible the way it is presented in Star Trek, etc: we're broken apart, our data gets stored, and then transmitted, and somewhere else, a device plucks raw matter and reintegrates it, since the same matter is being used, there's no reason to actually destroy the original copy. It's just as feasible to just record the data, and then duplicate it. So if this were done, would both bodies be YOUR consciousness? Would you be seeing things in some kind of mental split-vision, consciously aware of both bodies? No. your consciousness would still be in the original, and the replica would have its own. See what I'm saying now? So if the original is 'destroyed', then your consciousness is dead. And you'll be replaced, more or less, by a doppelganger. But yeah, the astral projection concept I mentioned, is partially why something like the Grid would have to exist. In order for the consciousness to arrive in the new body, it would have to remain intact, and make its way from one laser-linked computer to the other.

I'd wanna figure out how to transfer the "data", the you,your personality and memories, So that to whatever body this is transfered to, it's not another consciousness but the same one. Without this of course it'd be lame.

As far as Tron goes, it's clear (or isnt it?) that they transfer, not duplicate and erase original.

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