He told a young Sam that the Grid would be for programs and Users. Was it his intent to have humans visit the Grid? What would they do, sign up? ENCOM employees only? What if the government found out? You could kiss that anyone stuff goodbye.

episodic4 Wrote:Well, that was his intention going off of what he said. The question answers itself.

You know, I was willing to stand up for you but that so sounds like Srocks used to respond to any question I had. And all i wanted to do was start some conversation even if my wording wasn't the best.

Y'know, I keep wondering that myself. Just what, exactly, did he think bringing the two worlds together was going to change? He must have had a lot more faith in humanity than I have, that's for sure. I can just imagine a digital Paris Hilton running around with a digital chihuahua in her digital purse....THAT is what bringing humanity into the Grid would result in. And apparently he had some sort of ideas that I'm not coming up with myself, because while it'd be cool to go hang out with Tron and Ram, it's not exactly a life-changing or world-saving event... In fact, I could see it becoming problematic as some people would probably spend more time in the Grid than in their real lives.

Kat Wrote:Y'know, I keep wondering that myself. Just what, exactly, did he think bringing the two worlds together was going to change? He must have had a lot more faith in humanity than I have, that's for sure. I can just imagine a digital Paris Hilton running around with a digital chihuahua in her digital purse....THAT is what bringing humanity into the Grid would result in. And apparently he had some sort of ideas that I'm not coming up with myself, because while it'd be cool to go hang out with Tron and Ram, it's not exactly a life-changing or world-saving event... In fact, I could see it becoming problematic as some people would probably spend more time in the Grid than in their real lives.

One thing and, I agree with you, humans running around on the Grid would be 100x worse than one Clu. All that potential and the greedy would take over. Military applications? Maybe, let's see. Creating wonderful things....that only the rich could afford.

Was Flynn too altruistic to see the truth of things? Yes, because the minute he's gone, ENCOM is changed away from his free system world to let's sell copies of what people have already but raiss the price.

IluthraDanar Wrote: episodic4 Wrote:Well, that was his intention going off of what he said. The question answers itself. You know, I was willing to stand up for you but that so sounds like Srocks used to respond to any question I had. And all i wanted to do was start some conversation even if my wording wasn't the best.

Did LWSRocks get deleted or something?

Relax dude. If the mods didn't want him back they'd actually do something serious about registration verification.

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it might be a boon for mathematicians. philosophers etc.

but for medical researchers. how can anyone bring cell samples into the grid?
that would imply that human cells are directly moved into the grid, which
means flynn's (supposedly) digital copy is composed of cells.

i'd say for research purposes the time dilation effect is useful for
disciplines that rely on using the mind. to have enough time to hash out
theories or form new ones etc.

also scientists would be devoting a lot of their time to finding out
what exactly the grid is. is it another universe? is it a simulation?
is it another dimension? what are the universal constants if it is not a simulation?
why can energy be easily manipulated into solid objects etc.

Well, we know Flynn has altruistic visions, even if at first all he wanted was proof his games had been stolen. But I don't think he wanted to invade. In fact, I would think he would limit the numbers of humans he would let into the Grid.

Now Clu, I wonder what he expected his programs to do once they got there. What did he really know about Flynn's world? Was he going out there to attack Users? Like the armies of the world would even allow that.

typicaltronname Wrote:I answered a part of that, I believe my response is the second one on this thread. typicaltronname Wrote:Since time travels faster on the grid, Flynn could conduct an 150 year long scientific study in 3 months. Since time travels 50 times faster On-Grid So the cure for many diseases would likely be found in those 150 years on-Grid

But I wonder, does stuff work the same way on the Grid as in real life? Like biological experiments and such? Why would cells and such behave the same way in a digital environment? It'd be so long before the FDA and such would trust it after and uber-ton of testing...

IluthraDanar Wrote:Was Flynn too altruistic to see the truth of things? Yes, because the minute he's gone, ENCOM is changed away from his free system world to let's sell copies of what people have already but raiss the price.

Oh, dude. They should go into the college textbook business!

KiaPurity Wrote:So I really did miss out on a great deal of dialogue except for that one random lipread moment of Flynn saying "Tron.")

Well, that WAS the most important part.

episodic4 Wrote:Well, for what it's worth, here's my theory- ISOs are special because they have genetic constructs. Hence, the scene on the Solar Sailer when Flynn is explaining that the fact he could go into Quorra's Identity Disk to repair her DNA is what makes her so special. With this realization, people with life-threatening diseases could go into the grid, have their disks looked at, and- BOOM. They are now super-healthy. Thoughts?

But, their DNA is different from ours, AND it IS originally digital. I mean, really it's just a bunch of coding on her disc. (You could argue that human DNA is the same way, but still, in its original state it is made up of biological elements--do those translate well into code? Who knows if human DNA can be accessed that way?



Guys, do we gotta keep having the LWSRocks debate? Or can we at least maybe start a separate thread if we don't want to take it to PMs with the mods? I haven't a clue who the dude is/was--on this board I've seen him use different ages, different names (above he's called "Lawson." I heard someone else previously refer to him as "Lewis"), insist his brother made part of his posts, and I'm probably forgetting some stuff. I'm fuzzy on exactly why he was banned. I have no idea which new member(s) may be him with a new name. Not sure I care unless he starts causing trouble again, in which case I'm sure he'll be banned again. But I AM pretty tired of seeing the arguments in every single thread. Can we, y'know, maybe take it to PM, and then NOT publicly post all the PMs, and maybe involve the mods if it's a question of harassment rather than the rest of us since there's nothing we can do about it and it's clear such actions are a mere attempt to call someone out publicly, and get the whole incident over with??

episodic4 Wrote:Well Kat, thats pretty much exactly what vie been trying to do. They're stuck in their ways if trolling new members. I shudder to think how many people they've scared off of this forum, and I'm surprised they haven't been banned yet.

For what its worth, this has happened to me before on other forums. An old timer will usually start the ball rolling and others follow. I left one forum when this happened to me, deleting all my posts beforehand. It happened on another forum, so bad the forum monitor (Anon? ;-) ) came in and told everyone the old timers had no moderator rights so keep it friendly or else.

When we all come to a place to have discussions on the same things, why not keep it friendly. You may even learn something and meet nice people. I've actually gone to conventions with people I met on forums. Good times!