LWSrocks Wrote:I understand your point of view, Ethan, and I respect it, but I'm going to disagree. Tron was colorful because that amount of color fit the storyline. Tron: Legacy had a very dark storyline, and the world was made to be dark so that it would fit said story. It's like comparing apples and oranges. And, as mentioned before, the 80's were a time of neon clothing, that was the style back then, and it just isn't now. What I must complain about when it comes to your post, though, is that it is just an extreme exaggeration to say that the lack of color ruined the franchise. That's like saying that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was ruined because Harrison Ford has too much facial hair.

Your first part is perfect, and I completely agree. The environment is designed to convey the feeling of dread, darkness, and depression. Tron on the other hand was supposed to be a cool, new, kind of more upbeat movie showing off a brand new technology.

Also, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull wasn't ruined by Harrison Ford, George Lucas ruined that movie all on his own, lol. Normally I don't even acknowledge the existence of it.
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tron58fury Wrote:I think that Tron:Legacy was definitely a darker premise than the original Tron which was more campy and colorful. I do not believe that T:L ruined Tron. Perhaps it was the fact that CLU turned the Grid into a police state and I could sense a depressive environment within the entire computer world. One program even decided to commit suicide rather than being returned to the games. Overall, the movie did have a darker feel than the original film.

What I was going to say. Did we not discuss in other threads that the Grid as Flynn made it may have been more colorful, and Clu darkened everything up (I even remember my comment on that thread--something about Clu rocking the goth look)? It's even referred to in the film, where Flynn tells Sam he wishes Sam could've seen it back in the day (can't remember the exact lines).

At any rate, the original's colors seemed to me to be...well, quite primary and grade-school-ish. Very video-game-y. In a way, it seems to me it sort of belied the seriousness of the story.

Or maybe I just like the goth look, I dunno. But if we're going to really get into it, I'm sure there are those here who would argue, why do they NEED colors? They're just computer programs.

nonoperative Wrote:LETS GET REAL HERE ......Kevin Flynn sitting around meditating as the supposed savior of the world after he invented the GRID .... then the onlty things he could come up with is...your messing with my zen thing , and ever hop a freight train...actually (check that out) was his coolest sounding line.... he should of been thinking more like a chess master not chinese backgammon (or whatever that board game was) wonder if there was a hidden message in the pieces set up ....clu me in somebody...and the guy praying ... was that the only other religous sign in the movie... i know it's a touchy subject and movies are not perfact but this went to far off track for alot of people....

It made sense to me that Flynn would delve into a form of spirituality that dealt with letting go of "wants" and that would help in dealing with a difficult situation beyond one's control.

This ties in with Flynn's being trapped in The Grid for what seems like over a thousand years or vastly more to him. It also ties into Flynn loosing influence over Clu and having to go into hiding. One aspect of Zen Buddhism is acting along the path of least resistance against those things one cannot change. When one finds the action of least resistance, then change will unfold.

IMO this aspect of Flynn elevated and fleshed out his character more. A totally distant and "disconnected", and insane Kevin Flynn would be interesting but would be far less likable or relatable. His zen perspective helped to preserve his humaness and shows that he had gained insight and wisdom.
I think that through his spiritual paradigm the Flynn was able to to hold on to some degree of sanity.

Flynn is a hacker, programmer, a dreamer, and 1980's era gamer, laid back, normally passionate and motivated, and pretty damn smart. Although He was never some great master stratagist.

Only a very small few complained about Flynn in the movie. Many Tron Fans I know enjoyed Flynn in the movie very much. So the claim that alot of people disliked the characterization of Flynn is a highly questionable one. "Professional" Reviewers opinions and comments along those lines are just as questionable.
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LWSRocks and Corruptron. whats your problem with others opinion about aesthetics of Tron 82 being more creative and colourful, hence superior than the current legacy?

Ive mentioned this in another thread and responded in a very detailed and analytical point to the context of fashion and trend based logic. the thread starter has echoed it and kudos to him for pointing that out.

tron 82 was a period in fashion and trend history that was very vibrant and creative. it was coined the New wave and New romantics years where not just design but music and movies were very iconoclastic and full of excitment. that period died when the 86-87 recession came and herald in the grungy and gritty era where the residue still is felt uptil today with all the bad news of recession and world disasters. Tron legacy dark and stale fashion is in fact a reflection of not just the movie concept but also the state of the hollywood industry. where jobs are getting scarce and politics rein even more. the producers are afraid to try something iconoclastic, something that tron 82 did and is hypocritical to use legacy. yes the technology is great but the legacy aesthetics were more of a homage to matrix or x-men than anything.

Thats why the late seventies and early eighties movies where one the of the best periods of moviedom. If you look at the list of movies that came out that summer 82 you should know what I mean.

so the both of you should just listen and learn instead of being such a raging internet warriror wannabe getting personal at people you dont even know. your tone and language offends ppl and your ability to discuss is zero.

its people like you that the forum is so quiet.

FlynnsWrist Wrote:LWSRocks and Corruptron. whats your problem with others opinion about aesthetics of Tron 82 being more creative and colourful, hence superior than the current legacy? Ive mentioned this in another thread and responded in a very detailed and analytical point to the context of fashion and trend based logic. the thread starter has echoed it and kudos to him for pointing that out. tron 82 was a period in fashion and trend history that was very vibrant and creative. it was coined the New wave and New romantics years where not just design but music and movies were very iconoclastic and full of excitment. that period died when the 86-87 recession came and herald in the grungy and gritty era where the residue still is felt uptil today with all the bad news of recession and world disasters. Tron legacy dark and stale fashion is in fact a reflection of not just the movie concept but also the state of the hollywood industry. where jobs are getting scarce and politics rein even more. the producers are afraid to try something iconoclastic, something that tron 82 did and is hypocritical to use legacy. yes the technology is great but the legacy aesthetics were more of a homage to matrix or x-men than anything. Thats why the late seventies and early eighties movies where one the of the best periods of moviedom. If you look at the list of movies that came out that summer 82 you should know what I mean. so the both of you should just listen and learn instead of being such a raging internet warriror wannabe getting personal at people you dont even know. your tone and language offends ppl and your ability to discuss is zero. its people like you that the forum is so quiet.

There's nothing wrong with that. Not in the least, but, and this is just my opinion and I am in no way trying to put you down, Saying Tron: Legacy ruined Tron, is like saying Star Episode 1 Ruined the Empire Strikes Back.

For some, it wasn't a worthy sequel, to others they like Legacy more, others like Tron more.

See, these movies stand on their own, because a sequel can't ruin the original movie. I used to love the New Trilogy, but looking back on it, they were pretty badly made.

These are just my two cents.


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LWSrocks Wrote: FlynnsWrist Wrote:LWSRocks and Corruptron. whats your problem with others opinion about aesthetics of Tron 82 being more creative and colourful, hence superior than the current legacy? Because color doesn't make a movie. It was certainly creative and colorful, but that does not go hand in hand with superiority. Especially when Tron: Legacy is definitely vibrant and colorful. Ive mentioned this in another thread and responded in a very detailed and analytical point to the context of fashion and trend based logic. the thread starter has echoed it and kudos to him for pointing that out. Very detailed and analytical point to the context of fashion and trend based logic? All I saw you post was a profanity-laden stream of hate guided towards the costumes. The costumes in Tron Legacy, which, were EXTREMELY innovative and alot of hard work went into them. tron 82 was a period in fashion and trend history that was very vibrant and creative. I think you summed things up right there. 82 was exactly that, but '10 is NOT. In 82 you got all of those colorful films and in '10 you get grittier, darker movies. Not to say that is the case for all movies, but it is certainly the majority. it was coined the New wave and New romantics years where not just design but music and movies were very iconoclastic and full of excitment. that period died when the 86-87 recession came and herald in the grungy and gritty era where the residue still is felt uptil today with all the bad news of recession and world disasters. Tron legacy dark and stale fashion is in fact a reflection of not just the movie concept but also the state of the hollywood industry. where jobs are getting scarce and politics rein even more. the producers are afraid to try something iconoclastic, something that tron 82 did and is hypocritical to use legacy. yes the technology is great but the legacy aesthetics were more of a homage to matrix or x-men than anything. Dude. That's because it wasn't guided to all of you people nostalgic for that 80's feel, it was marketed towards younger children who grew up in the gritty, dark recession era. When kids these days (Not me, but others) see the outfits people wore back in 1982, they say: "Dude, that get-up is totally gay." Thats why the late seventies and early eighties movies where one the of the best periods of moviedom. If you look at the list of movies that came out that summer 82 you should know what I mean. so the both of you should just listen and learn instead of being such a raging internet warriror wannabe getting personal at people you dont even know. your tone and language offends ppl and your ability to discuss is zero. Our ability to discuss? You can't even use correct grammar, a grown adult conversing with an eleven year old, and the eleven year old is more articulate. We are not getting personal with anybody, the most personal these discussions have gotten is your remark calling me, and other people wannabes! We aren't using tone or language, we are discussing things in a civilized debate manner which you are not. its people like you that the forum is so quiet. This forum isn't quiet at all! We have new members out the wazoo. This forum gets hundreds and hundreds of new posts EACH DAY. And you know what, that's pretty fricking AMAZING for a forum that exists for a movie from the 80's. Dude, if Legacy had been done with the same style as Tron, it would not have fit with the era, it would not have fit with the story, it would not have fit period. There is a point where it changes from "Legacy should have been more colorful" and becomes "I'm stuck in the past and wish everything was like it was 30 years ago, because that's when I was a kid, and therefore, when I was happy." You sir, have reached that point.

but thats the point dont you get it.

The SPIRIT of tron 82 wasnt about fitting in the times. It was wow!!! Ive never seen anything like it. Its wat made me stand up and said I am witnessing the dawn of the computer era. In fact it was the dawn of what reality might be. 28 years later, that should be the point still. If not why wait till now to make a point about it.

Yes it was spandex but it wasnt gay. And we dont need spandex now although our girls are wearing tight leggings these days so the point I am saying the 80s fashion are back these few years. So having 80s aesthetic homage would not be as ludicrous. I am all for new costume designs but it must be something totally new which they failed to implement too. hence my disappointment because it goes against the spirit of the first movie. The plot did address the ISO thingy which was something new but the clothes were not....I beleive tron 3 is a chance to retify that.

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:The costumes did do something "new" in the design and construction of them FYI here's a great article/interview about there design and construction: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/visual-effects/tron-legacy-lightsuit-costume-vfx Please, enough with the bashing on the suits. They looked pretty damn good IMO. I would of liked a few more light up circuit details sure, but come one enough with the harsh criticism on them. IMO The film still had a touch of "the spirit" of the original Tron. I've seen the original Tron 50 times and Tron Legacy six times so far. TL has many many thematic and subtle and obvious elements from the original. Heck the movie is practically a love letter to Steve Lisberger and Tron fans.

Come to think of it I kinda went a bit harsh on it. Thanks for the suit mechanics link. I am abit taken aback by the level of difficulty to create them. Perhaps my rage should be targeted at disney on not remaking the 82 toys for the launch of this movie. I missed the neca 2001 release and paying dearly for it (especially the blue liughtcycle). btw, anyone want to let go of the Neca yellow lightcycle. I know. its along shot.
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