LWSrocks Wrote:Because of all this talk about Alan knowing about the grid, has anybody here read Tron: Betrayal? Because it kinda suggests that. When Flynn is at that meeting and talking with Alan, Alan says to him: "Flynn, you go off the grid for days at a time."

Yeah, but "grid" is used in many common ways in vernacular. For example, if I went out and started a hippie commune and didn't have electricity, I'd be "off the grid" and it wouldn't mean I had rezzed out of my computer. It could just be his way of saying he doesn't see Flynn for long stretches of time, and it was probably used as a play on words, so readers are sitting there saying, "yeah, you have no idea."

I would suggest bringing back dilinger and the scarecrow guy. the grid should be more fantastic and less grittty.

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NickScalan Wrote:What I fear might happen with TRON 3 is a mashup of Tron and The Net with Sandra Bullock. It had the basic premise of a large security software company being run by corrupt individuals that put backdoors into their products so as to get access to global systems for their own nefarious means. Nick

That was actually one of the original plot pitches for Tron Legacy. I think I might still have that one writer's "review" of the leaked script. Encom was selling this security software that they would use to take over the world or something. Main character would hack into Encom's mainframe using an Apple Lisa and get digitized as a result. In the computer world, he would join a comic relief character and some warrior characters to put a stop to Encom's plan for internet domination or something.

Back on topic: I still think Tron 3 should focus mostly on the Dillingers' father-son relationship in the same way Legacy did with the Flynns, yet still keep Sam as the main character. I'd like to see Tron 4 be about the digitizing technology.

Whatever it ends up being, I just hope it has a good script and an original premise. I'd like to see it break the mold, at least a bit go a little more high-brow.

Kat Wrote: overRIDE Wrote:Now, I only saw the movie once so I am definitely forgetting stuff, but anyone ever entertain the possibility that Alan knew where Kevin was the entire time? Alan was convinced that Kevin hadn't actually left. Maybe he had just been lying, to not only the people around him, but to himself as well. And I always thought that The Grid wasn't just a small sector, but was several different computer systems across a larger WAN (Wide Area Network) rather than simply a LAN (Local Area Network). Because even though Flynn was originally sent to The Grid by the MCP inside Encom, Sam gets access inside Flynn's Arcade. Two different Grids. Flynn created his own in the arcade. The Encom Grid, as it existed then, is long gone, I think we can safely assume. Obviously there is another version now that no one has been to--and perhaps this is where Tr3n could take place within Encom, and invent some reason Sam has to go in and fix something (perhaps with Jr's help; I still want him as a good guy), but I still don't see why Sam would create his own version of the Grid, the same way his father did, and put it on the Encom system.

And you're correct about the two grids being different. While the original did have some aspect of multiple areas (the main system vs. the game realm), that could easily be done on a single mainframe using virtual machines as the technology was already quite well developed, first released in 1972. Physical partitioning was introduced in 1973. I believe there's an ability for the partitions to communicate via internal mainframe mechanisms, hence the ride on the "simulation" that was taken by the trio.

I'm not sure that the old grid's going to be long gone. Upgraded and changed, but a mainframe is still a mainframe. A mainframe OS is still going to be a mainframe OS. It would be more like a city 100 years later. Some of it might be the same, some basics (streets and such) still there, but a lot has changed. As it is, we didn't see a lot of the various areas in the first due to technology limitations of the time so they could do almost anything with a the upgraded Encom mainframe and it would still work if we came across a familiar name or two.

Sam could easily get a separated area on the mainframe to restore this without impacting anything else. That or a small mainframe to use for the purpose of restoring his dad. It would be far more powerful than a system from what, 1989?

Sam's reasons for the grid would be easy - restoration of his father if possible. Such an endeavor would, in movie logic, require another trip to the grid in order to work with the restoration at a more rapid pace or get a hands-on view of some anomaly or another, Quorra demanding she go with him.

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Oh, I'll also throw in for the person asking about a programmer and their attachments to their programs, it can actually be a danger. You need to know when to stop tweaking and let it go. Otherwise, you'll never move on...not a good thing when you have work deadlines and new projects always coming. As much time as you can put into a program (and sweat and emotions, etc), its like a child growing up. Once you have finished programming it to do what you want it to do, you let it go and move on unless there is a reason to come back and upgrade it later.

Tron did what he was supposed to do and shut down the MCP. As far as Alan knows, his program ran correctly and the MCP shut down. If he doesn't truly know about the grid which I don't believe he does, there's no reason to do anything else with Tron again.

I'll bet there are computer icons you haven't clicked on in years. So basically you haven't given any of those programs functions to do in years. Maybe your Character Map program has been getting drunk at the end of line club and mixing it up with Event Viewer as neither have had anything to do for cycles.

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Kat Wrote:Seriously, if you wrote a security program that kicks so much ass it can take down the "big bad MCP," you wouldn't want to market it? You'd use it for one job for a few days and never wonder what else it could do?? I mean, I know information security wasn't nearly as big of a deal back then, but... at the very least you'd think Encom would want to hang onto it for a while.

Probably wasn't a big deal to Alan early on. Tron's up and running, the MCP is gone. All is well. I'm sure Encom was hanging onto it for a time. It may have run for a number of years before being put out of commission but let's face it. It's a program that was written probably in 1981/82 time frame. That's a long time ago. Either some app written by a vendor has come in and replaced it or a new in-house app was written. In either case, Tron may only exist on the hardware Flynn has in the old arcade. That and maybe some old files Alan's got somewhere, saved for old times sake.order abortion pill http://unclejohnsprojects.com/template/default.aspx?morning-after-pill-price where to buy abortion pill

Excuse the not quoting previous posts, but this post could get amazingly long and convoluted if I did :-P

I was going to post something similar but a few people beat me to it. Generally I can tell you that if I am going to use an old program, I don't just start overwriting the old code. Instead, I'll copy the old code to a new location and work on the copied code. That way you always have the original for reference. However, over time old code becomes obsolete and I wouldn't think a thing about it if my boss (Kevin) told me he was going to archive it or move it to a different server. Also again for Alan, Tron is just simply lines of code on a computer.

As for the other movie ideas...yes I agree, we don't know Sam's skill level and you could be right that he has been spending his time hacking systems. There's just certain signs I am used to seeing in regards to programmers Sam didn't have. Now again, he may have had this stuff in a different location, but first you'll generally see a much larger system than the typical home laptop or desktop (multiscreen systems to begin with). There also tend to be a lot of random computer parts sitting around as there's a lot of computer modifying/upgrading that tends to happen.

And a big one my wife brought up last night is he's in far too good of shape to be a hardcore programmer . No offense to anyone else here but programmers generally come in two sizes...super thin and super thick. That depends on whether the snackfood is always present next to the monitors or whether you spend 20 plus hours in front of a monitor without eating. Workout regimens tend to fall by the wayside .

Lastly, there is a matter of constant practice and learning. Unless he's holed up somewhere most of the time either programming or hacking, you're most likely not going to be one of the best. Systems are constantly changing and there's always something new to learn through trial and error. None of this says he isn't a good or even great programmer...just wasn't much evidence of it in Legacy is all.

Now as far as buying a pc for the grid, in my scenario, I'm not thinking Sam would have a huge amount of time for one. If there's a problem with Quorra, it may be an almost immediate need to get her back to the grid. But beyond the PC system, you also need to have a significant power source for the lazer as stated in legacy. His home is not likely going to be wired for that. However, ENCOM with their massive server system and possibility for instant access seems the logical choice.

But these are just my thoughts on it...everything is up for debate and for all I know it could go a completely different direction. I'm just enjoying the discussion!

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Gnoop Wrote: LWSrocks Wrote: Gnoop Wrote: Kat Wrote:Seriously, if you wrote a security program that kicks so much ass it can take down the "big bad MCP," you wouldn't want to market it? You'd use it for one job for a few days and never wonder what else it could do?? I mean, I know information security wasn't nearly as big of a deal back then, but... at the very least you'd think Encom would want to hang onto it for a while. Probably wasn't a big deal to Alan early on. Tron's up and running, the MCP is gone. All is well. I'm sure Encom was hanging onto it for a time. It may have run for a number of years before being put out of commission but let's face it. It's a program that was written probably in 1981/82 time frame. That's a long time ago. Either some app written by a vendor has come in and replaced it or a new in-house app was written. In either case, Tron may only exist on the hardware Flynn has in the old arcade. That and maybe some old files Alan's got somewhere, saved for old times sake. Actually, they didn't use him for that long. In fact, the switchover from the ENCOM system to the new grid was almost immediate- according to Tron: Betrayal, the graphic novel. Yes ,but typically in a migration like that, all the applications/data get migrated as well. That would include Tron. If it's just an OS upgrade, that's going to leave everything intact. For a hardware migration, non-OS storage is never touched and would either be moved or copied to the new mainframe. Even with that, it's safe to assume that Tron was eventually replaced by something else on the Encom mainframe while Kevin grabbed a copy of Tron to keep on his personal system. I know, I know, I'm a damn I.T. guy that keeps thinking about this in the real world versus Hollywood. I can't help it sometimes.

I thought everyone here was of the mind that he didn't copy Tron though, he moved Tron outright...


And sure guys, Sam doesn't have the typical computer geek physique. though I've seen a few who aren't bad-looking. But this, I think, is where we have to bow to "it's a movie." We fangirls are supposed to go wild over him (unfortunately, if you've read the Ladies' Night thread, you'll find most of us tend to be of the attitude "aw Sam, he's cute, I'd love to have him as a friend" but maybe the pre-teen girls are dropping Justin Bieber and Robert Pattinson in favor of Garrett Hedlund, I dunno--at least one can hope). I mean, is it far more likely that Sam-the-programmer would look like Christopher Mintz-Plassw (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=988&bih=499&q=Christopher+Mintz-Plasse&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=) or Seth Rogen (http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=988&bih=499&q=seth+rogen&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g9g-s1&aql=&oq=)? Yes, but thankfully, Disney is too kind to do that to its female fans, considering the guys get Beau Garrett and Olivia Wilde (because how likely is it, either, that every female program is insanely attractive?).