gkarris Wrote: doctorclu Wrote: gkarris Wrote:The Sirens can do a chorus - "Sleigh Ride"... (I'm crying as I read and write all this...) Hmmm... Gem and all the sirens in those tight outfits on the back of a light runner bouncing along as they go over rough terrain? HELL YEH!!! :P I think Quorra should be there too. Just because. And let Castor drive. > "Giddy up, giddy up, giddy up, Let's go..."

I am really digging this idea. :P

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LWSrocks Wrote: IsoLine Wrote: LWSrocks Wrote: IsoLine Wrote: LWSrocks Wrote:They aren't "cashing in" on it, because nobody paid to see the concert for the purpose of seing a lightcycle in the air. They would have made the same amount of money if the lightcycle wasn't there, which pretty much nullifies any prospect of them "cashing in on the movie". Because they aren't. If anything, they are losing money on buying expensive props like that. You don't know that though. Do you personally have knowledge that more people didn't attend their concerts once they heard the "lightcycle" was there? Even if one person went to the show with the purpose of seeing it because "They have the lightcycle", that means that any one or many individuals going from that vantage point was more publicity for B.E.P. and not necessarily Disney, which I guarantee didn't get a cut of B.E.P.'s profits from the concert, with a ripoff of their lightcycle in it. Not only that but you don't know that prop was actually "that expensive". The creators of the prop could have drastically cut their prices just so that they could have their handywork in a professional concert. Basically they cross-polinated with a well known icon from a soon to be released film and rode the profits to the bank, probably (and very likely since we haven't heard word one about Disney receiveing any monies for the use) all to themselves. This is why Disney has sued viciously anyone that uses their images without permission. The fact that they don't appear to be doing that to B.E.P. I have several theories on. Why would anybody go there for the purpose of seeing one prop that they could already see on youtube? Somebody who loves Tron so much that they would do that is obviously going to see Legacy anyways. Your point of "even if one person came with that person" is pretty much null. Do you think that selling 1 extra ticket is going to make so much of a difference that it could be considered "riding the profits to the bank" or "cashing in on the popularity"? No matter what, they aren't making any money off of Tron, or keeping Tron from making money, so I don't know what your problem is other than that the performance was bad in your opinion. Also notice that it isn't going to change anyone's opinion of Tron in a negative way, and if anything, it might actually change opinions positively. You aren't going to get it because you aren't seeing this from the marketing and supply side of the arguement. What B.E.P. did was not an homage as much as it was creating an "impression" that there was cross promotion with Disney....Understand. Its not that they kept TRON from making any money that is the real worry....That probably wouldn't happen even if they did something horrific with the lightcycle. What they did was use another persons material to promote and gain funds for themselves. And you don't know that they didn't gain more concert goers and album sales because they took something and used it to their advantage. You have this mentality like many others that somehow if it "gets the image out there to the masses more, then it's all good." So let me ask you this, if I took images you created on your website and put them in my website and then more people started giving me credit for your work and coming to my site over yours and I never gave you credit or compensastion would you be okay with that? And if it is all good because it is getting the message out, then why could they simply not just say to their audience "Hey guys we think this new TRON movie is gonna be cool, you should go see it." I personally could careless about B.E.P. I go out of my way to avoid them and happened to find a video of them with the Lightcycle months ago so this is nothing new to me, I've been opposed to their use of the cycle since before the movie came out. And see to me this is even worse than Bieber's commercial, because at least with the commercial with Justin and Ozzy the movie was already out and making money. Not so with the B.E.P. concerts and tonights performance was yet another reminder of their shamless theft. And about going to see it because of the prop....Thousands went to SDCC and looked at the props just to see them in person...When Disney brought the same lightcycle and SHIVA laser to D.C. in August for the USA Science and Engineering festival on the Mall there were hundreds if not thousands of attendees, myself included. Don't underestimate the power of movies and props to make people go out to places for different reasons. They aren't stealing it from them! People aren't giving BEP the credit for the lightcycles' existence. People know it came from Legacy, and if they didn't when they saw the performance, they certainly did when they saw the trailers! So, they took it and didn't give Disney credit. Thanks for giving me the cause, so what's the effect? What's going to happen? In the metaphor you used in which I made a picture and you got the credit for it because it appeard on your site and I lost net traffic, there's the effect. I lost site traffic, so that's bad. What's the effect of BEP using the lightcycle in their concert? What, making money off of it without paying any to Disney? Because here's the thing- there's a difference between a dedicated fan going to a comic convention to see props from a movie and a "dedicated fan going to a concert to see a lightcycle in the air" which doesn't happen. Your argument is that I cant prove this to be true, when the thing is that when you cant disprove it either, what happens then? 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Yeah see I was taught when you take something from someone without paying for it, it's wrong. You can't say "They aren't stealing from them" and then "they took it and they didn't give Disney credit.' Sounds like the definition of stealing to me, so what is it if its not. Sounds like you are morally conflicted to me. And my analogy was sound, it involved taking something from you for my own agrandizement. I notice you deflected my question too, you never answered if you would like to have that happen to you or no.

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WorldOutWest Wrote: Yep - fun times... and by the way, "The Empire Strikes Back" came out in 1980.

Huh, ok. Yeh the date I found on a quick search was a "making of Empire Strikes Back"

May 25, 1977 - May 21 1980... three years almost exactly. Cool enough.

But what did we have of Star Wars by 1978? One movie, various action figures and toys, newspaper comic strips, the radio version of the movie, and Marvel comic's take on the movie in a ongoing series which was really winging it storywise (and a hilarious read now).

Hey kinda where the TRON Legacy franchise is now.

So when a Star Wars show came on TV I'm saying there was not much Star Wars material then like you have now. And crappy as it was at some points, it was awesome.

Before the special, the buzz was who was going to watch it? Everyone!

And after the special did we talk about how lame the comedy acts were, or Leia singing? No! It was all about Boba Fett and how we wanted to see more of him.

Anyway, I think I've given the 1978 perspective of the Holiday Special to balance out the commonly echoed modern opinion of it. Some things don't age well, but at the time they are very much welcomed.

A TRON holiday special I would welcome.

And I was certainly enjoying the Black Eyed Peas and their TRON tribute... especially the first song with the green guys all dancing around. That was simply amazing.

Been good talking. Later all!



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LWSrocks Wrote:I like their music when it's got auto-tuner and everything, but not when they perform live. But shouldn't the fact that they are referencing Tron be flattering?

That really depends. Similar things could be said for Twilight (Since it's a decent example to illustrate my point). It's a god-awful book but at least it is encouraging kids to read, right? Irony is that literacy rates are actually down. So really, it hasn't really done much to contribute to literacy rates. Similar things could be said about the Black Eyed Peas. Sure, they are giving Tron more exposure, but are they really doing anything for the movie when it comes out on DVD/Bluray?

My personal opinion is that it would have been more appropriate if there was some actual 'Tron-spirit' behind it rather than cashing in on something popular. Additionally, Fergie has got to be the most pointless contribution to the Black Eyed Peas. She didn't even do anything to help the group other than being just 'there' for the sex-appeal which is really rather pointless in terms of actually creating music.

I hate BEP and thought their performance during the half-time show sucked. That being said, their Tron-esque light show was kind of interesting. I especially liked the guy in the band who had the light vest and pants.

Now the real question is, was this 'homage' intentional or was it simply showmanship for its own sake?

I'm laughing rather hard at all the cringing and moaning over the Black Eyed Peas doing the half-time show. Love 'em or hate 'em, the BEP are a remarkably popular group, and anything which boosts TRON in the popular consciousness is a WIN for the TRON franchise. Just like getting Daft Punk for the (remarkably good) soundtrack, having BEP do things like the flying light bike at concerts, or a TRONified half time show, increases visibility for TRON as a whole. Those of us who saw the original in the theaters and then suffered through almost 30 years of TRON being the butt of jokes, are having the last laugh on tthe haters as TRON goes pop mainstream.

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I thought that the BEP sucked, and sucked hard last night on the Super Bowl, and it's not that I'm a hater because I kind of guiltily enjoy 'I Gotta A Feeling" when it's on the radio.

That being said? I did get a kick out of all the Tron references. By this? It's safe to say Tron: Legacy definitely made an impact and bought the franchise back to the forefront of the minds of the people.

And yes, a good deal of us can't stand "The Bieber", but hey... if he likes Tron? Then that means he's one of us in a way, right? At least there's one cool thing about him lol

It's getting buzz in other forums, and on the radio on the way into work today - FREE advertising for TRON!

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Fygee Wrote:TRON needs to stay the hell out of the pop mainstream and succeed on it's own merits.

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The sound was much better in the stadium. You could even hear Usher singing. Whoever did the live-broadcast audio wasn't doing the Peas any favors.

Since The E.N.D. The Peas have had a technology vibe. Same thing with The Beginning. I know for the tour the Tron,"Bike" was made just for that segment of the show (My company did all the graphics on the screen behind them). When they started their South American leg of the tour they dropped the Tron segment altogether and went with a Scott Pilgrim vs. the World segment instead. These guys are like us. They like video game culture tremendously.

When we got the notes for the Halftime Show we had notes like, "Technology" and, "Matrix". The music just sort of artistically goes in that direction. I don't know anything about the costumes. But those were definitely Tron inspired. The show itself with the light-up dancers was conceptualized by an entirely different company who was subcontracted by the NFL.

Back to the performance. Well, the broadcast version was pretty terrible aurally. But in the stadium the energy made my hair stand on end. It was the perfect performance for a halftime in my opinion. Just a big fun, flashy, dance party. Last year The Who was, "Too old" and now The Peas are, "too (insert whatever)". I know most people hated The Who last year saying it was boring. So this year they went the other way and people still hate it. I don't really know if there's been a mostly well-received halftime show since Micheal Jackson and Prince.

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