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bad_sector
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Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Wednesday, January, 05, 2011 4:55 PM
1) Flynn wouldn't be stupid enough to go in without making a backup of himself. That would go against everything in a programmer's nature.

2) You don't see Tron de-rez. You do see him change back to his old colours.

3) Sam downloaded the Grid at the end before shutting the system down.

4) They made too big a deal about Flynn not being able to survive re-integration.

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Friday, January, 28, 2011 1:13 PM
Mostly agreed.

Tron's reboot in the Sea of Simulation was a slam dunk tease for (another?) sequel.

As for Kevin Flynn having a backup: even if he didn't, Sam and Quorra return with his disc. If he can repair damaged code/DNA for Quorra, what could be lacking on his disc that a ridiculous plot device couldn't overcome? Human form in digital space/digital form in human space? Star Wars had jedi ghosts, why not ghosts in the machine?

I think a larger obstacle for Kevin's reappearance could be Jeff Bridges. I haven't followed his statements, if any, regarding returning to the franchise... again.

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Friday, January, 28, 2011 1:24 PM
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, January, 30, 2011 3:15 AM
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AriesT
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, January, 30, 2011 2:31 PM
In the end of the movie, you see TRON diving down the sea and not being deleted. I agree this is a good point to catch up the story for TRON 3.

Another aspect to continue the story is that Sam still got the identity disc / master key of his father. So he might be able to re-build Kevin Flynn as an ISO (with help of an external update or something) and get him out of the grid like Quarra.

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, January, 30, 2011 5:06 PM
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typicaltronname
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Monday, January, 31, 2011 5:18 PM
I agree. Tron and Kevin did survive, in my opinion.

How they know that Kevin would die in the integration, I don't know. He said he would, she said he would, but in the end no one really knows.

It's not like there was the experience of another User who re-integrated himself to his program and died.

Kevin was the first to do that. I don't know what the big deal with that was. In the first movie, Flynn just had to punch a program out and the program would derezz.





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Kat
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Monday, January, 31, 2011 5:57 PM
typicaltronname Wrote:I agree. Tron and Kevin did survive, in my opinion.

How they know that Kevin would die in the integration, I don't know. He said he would, she said he would, but in the end no one really knows.

It's not like there was the experience of another User who re-integrated himself to his program and died.

Kevin was the first to do that. I don't know what the big deal with that was. In the first movie, Flynn just had to punch a program out and the program would derezz.
Y'know, I have a theory on that. In T:L, they show Flynn creating Clu from *inside* the grid. I don't know if that's just supposed to be a visual allegory for him sitting in the real world typing up code, or was it truly meant to represent a different way of creating a program? Someone else mentioned in another thread something about perhaps Flynn would be destroyed upon reintegration because he put a part of himself into Clu....so perhaps that scene showed a split of Flynn where part of him went into creating Clu, instead of the more impersonal method of just sitting at a terminal typing?
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 9:26 AM
Tron will return for certain, one can assume that Encom has a version of him if he didn't survive the Kevin's Grid.

As for Kevin Flynn, I have my suspicions he may return, but not as he was, he did re-integrate with Clu, so the results could be unpredictable.

Also it struck me that the track playing when Kevin sacrifices himself is called "Kevin Lives" which may hint of his return.

Clu's creation for me it clear, he is too much like Kevin to be a simple program, it would seem he has Kevin's memories prior to his creation, his knowledge of the outside world and much of his speeches being similar to Kevin's, also his skills match Flynn's.

It also struck me that integration is to make something one, so re-integration is obviously to make something one again.

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 11:05 AM
Kat Wrote:Y'know, I have a theory on that. In T:L, they show Flynn creating Clu from *inside* the grid. I don't know if that's just supposed to be a visual allegory for him sitting in the real world typing up code, or was it truly meant to represent a different way of creating a program? Someone else mentioned in another thread something about perhaps Flynn would be destroyed upon reintegration because he put a part of himself into Clu....so perhaps that scene showed a split of Flynn where part of him went into creating Clu, instead of the more impersonal method of just sitting at a terminal typing?

That's what I'm thinking. I'm fairly certain the Clu creation scene in the movie was a literal flashback to how Clu was actually created. Instead of typing at a terminal with a monitor in the real world, Kevin actually went inside and made Clu from the Grid itself. That was really unique, and is undoubtedly why Clu had to be re-integrated as opposed to just deleted. First of all, he was the Grid's system administrator, and second of all, he was forever tied to Flynn via that single act of creation those many cycles before.buy viagra onlinehttp://www.bilimselbilisim.com/haberler_detay.aspx?id=42 viagra online

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 1:37 PM
So it seems like we totally agree altogether that if we do NOT see Flynn and TRON in some way in the third movie, we'll be very pissed.

So... if Kevin is not activated after Sam returns tu reality. Does that mean Sam is the administrator now, since he downloaded the grid to his memory card?

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 1:52 PM
Mayorcan Wrote:
Kat Wrote:Y'know, I have a theory on that. In T:L, they show Flynn creating Clu from *inside* the grid. I don't know if that's just supposed to be a visual allegory for him sitting in the real world typing up code, or was it truly meant to represent a different way of creating a program? Someone else mentioned in another thread something about perhaps Flynn would be destroyed upon reintegration because he put a part of himself into Clu....so perhaps that scene showed a split of Flynn where part of him went into creating Clu, instead of the more impersonal method of just sitting at a terminal typing?

That's what I'm thinking. I'm fairly certain the Clu creation scene in the movie was a literal flashback to how Clu was actually created. Instead of typing at a terminal with a monitor in the real world, Kevin actually went inside and made Clu from the Grid itself. That was really unique, and is undoubtedly why Clu had to be re-integrated as opposed to just deleted. First of all, he was the Grid's system administrator, and second of all, he was forever tied to Flynn via that single act of creation those many cycles before.

In a comic, it showed Flynn writing a program but in the flashback, he did something on the Grid that could have destroyed it if anything had gone wrong. I took that to mean Clu was created on the Grid as shown.
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 2:22 PM
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, February, 27, 2011 2:50 PM

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, April, 01, 2012 5:13 PM
I was just sitting here and had a EUREKA moment... I did a search and found this thread about Tron surviving. Tron is definitely alive, the impact just knocked him out.... as far as Kevin, Not sure... But we have seen him manipulate everything in the grid, maybe he can recompile himself now. or maybe Flynn and Clu are having a battle in another 'plane' of the grid, and in Tron 3 Clu defeats Flynn, and returns to the grid, thus needing the return of Tron to fight him.buy viagra onlinehttp://www.bilimselbilisim.com/haberler_detay.aspx?id=42 viagra online


 
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Sunday, April, 01, 2012 11:15 PM
Interesting thought only slightly related to this thread:

It occurred to me that there may be a bit of religious reference in the Rinzler/Tron thing.

Rinzler reverts to Tron.... but his circuitry doesn't change back until he falls into the Sea of Simulation. It could be intentional that he is not fully redeemed until he sacrifices himself. (From a practical standpoint, no doubt it was done because a change of circuitry color at the point he actually reverts would give it away too quickly-- we're not meant to know until he pulls up, and then Clu says "finish the game!" and Tron says "I fight for the users!" But there could've been a deeper intent to it than that as well.) The idea of self-sacrifice is all over maaaany religions, of course

Flynn & Tron both, really-- whoever wants to save his life will lose it, and whoever gives up his life will save it. (paraphrase) You could say that Flynn lived a pretty empty existence just trying to preserve his own life-- then Sam shows up and Flynn has to act, which is far more true to the Flynn we know in OT. Flynn may die (if he does), but he's being true to himself and actually living, finally (like my Beat of Your Heart story: time to reclaim Kevin Flynn.) Tronzler probably isn't actively making the decision to remain the way he is, but once he does remember who he is and does the right thing, he's fully redeemed.)

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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Monday, April, 02, 2012 2:15 AM
Kat Wrote:Flynn & Tron both, really-- whoever wants to save his life will lose it, and whoever gives up his life will save it.

Proves that quotes source can be applied to everyday life!

Kat Wrote:
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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Monday, April, 02, 2012 2:19 PM
I think Flynn lives, and so does Rinz...err.. Tron! However, if Flynn lives, does that make our emotions felt for his climactic loss in Tron Legacy all for naught? Thereby making Tron Legacy less watchable since we know he actually lives in Tr3n? T:L thunder stolen.

Again, I hope he gets recompiled/revived (both in the computer and the real world), but I'm just sayin'...

PS: Sam losing his mom and his dad? Not cool. Oh, and it's been a while since I watched, but didn't his grandparents pass away, too? Yikes. Poor guy.



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RE: Why do I think Kevin Flynn & Tron survive?

on Monday, April, 02, 2012 3:02 PM
bad_sector Wrote:1) Flynn wouldn't be stupid enough to go in without making a backup of himself. That would go against everything in a programmer's nature.

2) You don't see Tron de-rez. You do see him change back to his old colours.

3) Sam downloaded the Grid at the end before shutting the system down.

4) They made too big a deal about Flynn not being able to survive re-integration.

That's pretty much why I think you'll be seeing Flynn & Tron again somewhere down the line.


1) No programmer should also be dumb enough to give an admin program unlimited power with no basic ethical guidelines ("Do not harm me. Do not harm Tron") or way to OVERRIDE the damn thing! It's also common sense to, when going somewhere dangerous (and the Grid wasn't safe - gridbugs, a lightcycle accident, trouble making software) to tell a buddy when you expect to be back, and leave behind an "in case I die or vanish" letter.

Flynn - first class idiot on both fronts! And everyone else in range pays for that hubris and foolishness. If it weren't for the fact that he spent the equivalent of 1000 years in exile, I'd say dying was getting off a bit easy for the crap he's put everyone through.

2) More likely, no. Tron's probably going to return. How INTACT he'll be is an entirely different matter. He spent 8 years as a great hero...and 20 as the digital answer to Darth Vader.

3) Sam downloaded the Grid, which means we're going to see a return trip. Unfortunately sequel hook #2 means we're also likely to see Master Control 2.0 try taking it over.

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