ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 5:35 AM
It's all digital code contructs man, everything is code, energy, photons and electrons..
What you see are in-a-sense perceptive, visual abstractions of those constructs of code.
This is a new system, new rules. It's not the MCP's controlled system in the ol' Encom 511..
Flynn wanted a digitized User to arrive with a facimilee of whatever clothes they were wearing. He wanted people to be able to visit and use the Grid for all kinds of purposes, to have a stable, free and open cyber space realm.
A new User with white spandex with glowing circuits may of been cool but would freak most people out.
Plus it would of costed about another 100 million dollars more and hundreds of After Effects VFX artists another 3 years to do the digital roto-scoped effects for those glowing circuits on the body or spandex tights.
Every effects shot would have to be duplicated for it to work/look right in 3D... it would be a VFX nightmare to attempt....
Users and Programs don't sweat from what I can tell. They dont have bones, and they're "flesh" is simulated, just as their "cloths" are simulations, just code constructs. where to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online
"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 5:51 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:It's all digital code contructs man, everything is code, energy, photons and electrons..
What you see are in-a-sense perceptive, visual abstractions of those constructs of code.
This is a new system, new rules. It's not the MCP's controlled system in the ol' Encom 511..
Flynn wanted a digitized User to arrive with a facimilee of whatever clothes they were wearing. He wanted people to be able to visit and use the Grid for all kinds of purposes, to have a stable, free and open cyber space realm.
A new User with white spandex with glowing circuits may of been cool but would freak most people out. |
Why do people keep saying that? Isn't that what peole are looking for in life anyway every Saturday night?
Plus it would of costed about another 100 million dollars more and hundreds of After Effects VFX artists another 3 years to do the digital roto-scoped effects for those glowing circuits on the body or spandex tights.
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Take a look at the title page opener on the 20 year anniversary DVD.
I don't think that cost much to make. As for how easy it is to do a Tron universe with modern techniques on a budget with nothing more than a few high end PCs running AVID, take a look at the old Spy Kids 3.
I've always said Robert Roduiguez would have made a good director for Tron 2. He could have made six films for the price of one..
ZM
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ShadowDragon1
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Posts: 2,056 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 6:28 AM
Spy Kids 3D looked awful IMO. I'm glad Tron Legacy looked nothing like it.
I spoke with Joe Kosinski when I met him at The Bridge theater in Los Angeles (back on Feb. 27 2010) which was one of several IMAX theaters showing the first trailer in IMAX 3d.
He told me digital rotoscoping for 3D would taken another 2 to 3 years, and that wasn't the direction he could take this time, and so he had (Nevelle Page and the costume designers) design suits and costumes that would have real electro luminesent lights on them.
"The film is about finding human connection in an increasingly digital world." - Joseph Kosinski
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Thursday, December, 30, 2010 11:15 AM
| Sub-Odeon Wrote:I like to think the movie "300" makes up -- at least a little bit -- for all of the high heels and tight pants and/or tops women have been wearing in sci-fi and fantasy movies the last 20 years. (grin) Spartans did not (so far as we know) fight bare-chested and in leather BVDs. Still made for one helluva butt-kicking action-fantasy movie, though. (smile) |
I am SO with you on that one. i still maintain there was a lot of, "Hey Angela, you wanna go see the 300 movie?" "Oh geez Bob, no, that's that one with a bunch of guys killing each other. Wait. WAIT. Is that the one...with Gerard Butler...and he's barely wearing any... BOBGETTHECARWE'REGOINGNOWLET'SWATCHITTWICE."
Okay, so I thought of another one. Princess Leia dresses pretty well. I think she sports heels in a couple scenes, and I suppose you could argue against the Jabba's palace costume, but for the most part she does pretty well. Can't believe I didn't think of her before. Also she had great hair.  (Everybody's always trying to get me to do Princess Leia cinnamon-bun hair since I have long hair)
| DarthMeow504 Wrote:I can't speak for others, but a woman of intelligence and strong will and geeky appreciation of sci fi in general and Tron is specific IS my idea of hot regardless of the shape of her bottom. The brain is the sexiest of all organs, after all. |
That's a rare attitude for a dude to have, lol, but it's always nice to come up against it on those rare occasions when you do. My partner told me that a friend of ours once said of me (before he and I were together), "dude, you like her. You totally like how geeky she is." Cracks me up. But i have a friend who swears the same thing (although he adds descriptors like "bookish" and "wears glasses" into the mix). I even had a guy stop me on the street once--and mind you, I'm pretty average looking so most guys can think of better things to do than give me the time of day--and say something like, "dude, I gotta tell you, you're totally hot, but...are you kinda geeky too?" I was thinking, "aw, shit, it SHOWS?" Gotta be one of THE most hilarious events of my life as I never knew it was that obvious just by looking at me (and it wasn't what I was wearing, which was just plain old jeans and a tank top, so it's seriously just the way I LOOK, hahaha). The booty is, supposedly, A Good Thing though--not to my mind, kills my vision of being sleek, but multiple men have told me it's A Good Thing, so, whatever. I mean, I suppose *somebody* likes it and that's something...what woman likes her ass, anyway??
Okay, I love the new suits. I can attribute that to software upgrade easily with no worries. What bugs me IS the circuitry idea. That suggests they're not just clothing but ARE the program, which is fine. But then this circuitry thing makes no sense if the clothing is removable (and yes, I'm talking to YOU, deleted love scene where Yori totally changes her appearance, wtf?). I mean, either it's just fashion--in which case, like I said before, why all the same rather than changes for personal preference?--or it's an integral part of the program.
Re: Quorra's arm--I wonder what would happen if that happened to a user? I mean, I know if they derez they just end up back in TRW (The Real World) but what if they just lose a body part like that? Is it gone forever? Does it come back? Does it show up in TRW, lol?where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online
What do you want? I'm busy.
Program, please!
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Friday, December, 31, 2010 12:00 AM
ShadowDragon1 Wrote:
He told me digital rotoscoping for 3D would taken another 2 to 3 years, and that wasn't the direction he could take this time, and so he had (Nevelle Page and the costume designers) design suits and costumes that would have real electro luminesent lights on them.
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OOps... forgot about the 3D.
Still, I think it could have been done far easier than that, all practical and in camera. Instead of having luminescent strips (which need to be powered and somewhat limit the size and number of strips that can be placed practically on a costume).
Instead they could have used a number of low tech solutions ranging from UV sensitive strips and exposure (done in many films past inc one of the Batmans in the '90s from memory), or good old fashioned chroma keys (blue or green strips etc then replaced with other colours in post, an option not quite perfected back in 1982 but considered child's play today)
Or do an Avatar and replace the actors altogether with CGI Motion Capped equivalents. Surprisingly this is what I would have thought they would try and do - and so somewhat I'm glad they didn't. However I would have welcomed something other than black on black. It's just too hard to see in action at 24fps!!!
Mind you, whatever the next step is for TRON, I'l bet you that the temptation not to do the whole thing in CG will be too great. I fear T:L will represent the last time we will ever see a real face on the screen in TRON..
ZM
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typicaltronname
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Posts: 1,667 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Friday, December, 31, 2010 12:05 AM
Kat Wrote:| Sub-Odeon Wrote:I like to think the movie "300" makes up -- at least a little bit -- for all of the high heels and tight pants and/or tops women have been wearing in sci-fi and fantasy movies the last 20 years. (grin) Spartans did not (so far as we know) fight bare-chested and in leather BVDs. Still made for one helluva butt-kicking action-fantasy movie, though. (smile) |
I am SO with you on that one. i still maintain there was a lot of, "Hey Angela, you wanna go see the 300 movie?" "Oh geez Bob, no, that's that one with a bunch of guys killing each other. Wait. WAIT. Is that the one...with Gerard Butler...and he's barely wearing any... BOBGETTHECARWE'REGOINGNOWLET'SWATCHITTWICE."
Okay, so I thought of another one. Princess Leia dresses pretty well. I think she sports heels in a couple scenes, and I suppose you could argue against the Jabba's palace costume, but for the most part she does pretty well. Can't believe I didn't think of her before. Also she had great hair.  (Everybody's always trying to get me to do Princess Leia cinnamon-bun hair since I have long hair)
| DarthMeow504 Wrote:I can't speak for others, but a woman of intelligence and strong will and geeky appreciation of sci fi in general and Tron is specific IS my idea of hot regardless of the shape of her bottom. The brain is the sexiest of all organs, after all. |
That's a rare attitude for a dude to have, lol, but it's always nice to come up against it on those rare occasions when you do. My partner told me that a friend of ours once said of me (before he and I were together), "dude, you like her. You totally like how geeky she is." Cracks me up. But i have a friend who swears the same thing (although he adds descriptors like "bookish" and "wears glasses" into the mix). I even had a guy stop me on the street once--and mind you, I'm pretty average looking so most guys can think of better things to do than give me the time of day--and say something like, "dude, I gotta tell you, you're totally hot, but...are you kinda geeky too?" I was thinking, "aw, shit, it SHOWS?" Gotta be one of THE most hilarious events of my life as I never knew it was that obvious just by looking at me (and it wasn't what I was wearing, which was just plain old jeans and a tank top, so it's seriously just the way I LOOK, hahaha). The booty is, supposedly, A Good Thing though--not to my mind, kills my vision of being sleek, but multiple men have told me it's A Good Thing, so, whatever. I mean, I suppose *somebody* likes it and that's something...what woman likes her ass, anyway??
Okay, I love the new suits. I can attribute that to software upgrade easily with no worries. What bugs me IS the circuitry idea. That suggests they're not just clothing but ARE the program, which is fine. But then this circuitry thing makes no sense if the clothing is removable (and yes, I'm talking to YOU, deleted love scene where Yori totally changes her appearance, wtf?). I mean, either it's just fashion--in which case, like I said before, why all the same rather than changes for personal preference?--or it's an integral part of the program.
Re: Quorra's arm--I wonder what would happen if that happened to a user? I mean, I know if they derez they just end up back in TRW (The Real World) but what if they just lose a body part like that? Is it gone forever? Does it come back? Does it show up in TRW, lol? |
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Friday, December, 31, 2010 7:31 AM
Tron Unit Wrote:
We are a LONG way from having realistically convincing digital actors that can replace human ones if Tron Legacy is any indication. I imagine the "animated" series is going to look much like the cut scenes from Evolution and the flashback stuff from Legacy but the problem is they LOOK animated and not real. |
Take a second look at Avatar. The techniques in use here are more than good enough for Tron. It's passed the point of being motion capture and moved into the realm of performance capture.
All that said, I still prefer suited actors. But only if you can actually see them, instead of trying to watch black on black.
ZM
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zordmaker
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Posts: 66 | RE: The old and new worlds of TRON
on Friday, December, 31, 2010 6:37 PM
| Tron Unit Wrote:I can't believe you just said that. I absolutely HATE Avatard. THE most cartoonish-looking CG animated crapfest I've ever seen in my life. Please don't mention it in my presence again. |
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