This is one of the decisions that the producers had to make which was bound to please some, and bound to displease others: updating the "look" of TRON Legacy to conform to 21st century CGI (and general audience) expectations, while still retaining enough of the hallmark appearance of the original TRON to keep the two movies connected.

I think the only thing that really bothered me was the portrayal of laser-energy machine guns during the flyer battle at the end of the movie. I'd have liked it if they stuck strictly with using their jet walls -- and artful dodging -- during that particular melee. Laser-energy blasters felt too Star Wars and didn't seem right.

On the other hand, the tanks from the original movie did shoot energy "shells" or rounds which were capable of blowing holes in things, and disintegrating whole recognizers in mid-air. So I guess the laser-energy guns of TRON Legacy aren't without precedent.

Food and flavored drink are a new wrinkle. Especially food. My first thought upon seeing Sam eating digital stir-fry was, do programs also have digital bowel movements? The old film portrayed water as a rare form of pure energy. It would seem this is still true, though the varieties of energy-drink seem larger in TL -- not to mention the effect on programs is not so deleriously potent.

Weather... This is probably the largest departure from the old film, in terms of atmospherics. The old world of TRON was entirely devoid of weather, barring odd anomalies like the floating bubbles from the Sea of Simulation. It was part of what made the old world of TRON so differently sterile, compared to contemporary SF franchises of the same time. But in the new world of TRON, I though the addition of weather worked quite well. Mist, clouds, lightning, rain, these all gave the new movie a sort of techno-noir feel, which really worked for me.

Programs derezzing... The original movie wasn't consistent on this, as we saw some programs simply fall apart into crumbling bits of light-energy (death of Ram, death of Crom, death of the program Flynn punched out) while others collapsed into a flaring ball, before evaporating upward as light-energy "ghosts." So having the programs in TRON Legacy crumble into digital "gravel" like tiny sugar cubes didn't seem out of place. It was consistent with at least half of the derezzings from the original, and we finally got to find out what programs look like on the inside.

Clothing... This one always made me wonder, as I could never figure out from the original TRON if the clothing was integral to each program, like skin, or if it was something that could be taken off or changed at will. TL seems to confirm that it's both: clothing is both integral to each program (second skin) *AND* it can be changed, as was seen several times. As for the styles and light circuitry, I actually liked the simpler schemes and photo-active nature of the new costumes, as the old style -- while very cool for the 80s -- was far, far too dated to survive in a contemporary movie.

Which of course begs the question: can programs be "naked" and/or have genitalia and/or have sex? Since this was Disney, they never went near these issues, save for when the Sirens strip Sam to his boxer-briefs. We've yet to see any children or babies in the TRON universe, so it appears that sex, if it does happen, cannot or does not create infant programs. The deleted apartment scene from the original TRON was fairly explicit about Yori changing clothes as well as Yori and Tron being intimate. As to what "intimate" means for programs.... who knows? Yori and Tron both seemed quite surprised by the kiss, which Flynn had introduced to Yori at the end of the first film.

Flynn316 Wrote:Ok some of your questions are inappropriate. You don't need to ask about bowl movements, sex, or genitals.

Ahem, yes, well you can ignore this thread while we adults have a thoughtful discussion.

Anyway, the OP brings up some interesting topics. You do kind of wonder how much of a life the programs of the new grid have. They are seen to have "jobs" and "relax" so clearly many things have evolved in the new system. The fact that the sentries were flirting with women in the End of Line Club seemed to show that programs at least have an attraction to each other (and, we saw this in the original film with Tron and Yori) so whether programs can express this attraction through meaningful physical contact is an interesting one.

And the food is interesting too... what happens when a program ingests a drink or a meal? The energy water from the first movie made sense - it was just energy... maybe the food and drink in this film is the same. There wouldn't be much sense in them having a digestive tract. It'd be simpler if this sustenance was just energy in different forms that helped fuel them directly. Maybe it just reverts to energy in their bodies, no matter what appearance it might take outside of it.

One other thing I wondered about - what are the programs in the new system? In the old Tron, it was implied that each program we saw was a separate program that was created by any number of programmers working at ENCOM (and perhaps elsewhere... how far out was the MCP able to reach to recruit new programs?) but on the new Grid I'm not sure that's the case. It seems Kevin built this new Grid... so did he write all the programs in it? They don't seem to exhibit the specific functions the old programs did... or at least they seemed to have evolved away from it.

The food and drink are just energy/code constucts like the "liquid" energy in the original Tron. The food and other drinks are just derivatives of that.

I am pretty certain that the Programs do *not* have bowel movements and do not engage in human type intercourse.
Sharing of personal energy currents (ala Yori with Tron) in an pleasant, intimant way is certainly possible.

The Programs (the Basics) i think are uploads from many of Encom's computer systems.

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Well.. when Flynn removed damaged code from Quorra's digital DNA, the digital DNA then re-aligned/repaired itself.

Now in real world, if her dna/rna has similar properties, she might have an excellerated healing ability. So any particular natural female processes might be accelerated and over quicker than normal.

But I don't see why these things should be dwelled on. it's kind of silly in my view. It's like asking "do the Umpaloompas have intercourse to make Umpaloompa babies?" or
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Sub-Odeon Wrote:QUORRA: I'm supposed to do *WHAT* with the applicator?? SAM: (ahem) Well, you know, you like, umm.... you know. QUORRA: I think I liked it better inside the computer!

I thought much the same, that the film was trying so hard to push the "real world good, Grid bad" view that it completely ignored all the messy and unpleasant facts of human existence that makes the Grid attractive as an alternative in the first place.

And I've made the joke of Quorra looking at Sam incredulously and saying "I'm going to leak WHAT??? from WHERE?! What in the User is THAT all about???".

I'm going to expand greatly on this topic (the film's "real world good, Grid bad" message, not the menstruation joke) on it's own thread. I feel it's a major issue with the film that hurts it greatly and keeps it from being in the spirit of the original Tron.

HAHA. You had some of the same questions I did. Right down to whether users and/or programs need bathrooms. And, of course...do Users *need* to eat, or is it just maintaining a habit they're used to? I guess I have a hard time understanding the concept of taking a physical body, putting it into a digital world, and not having it entirely digital--such as Sam's ability to bleed-- but I'm sure someone more science-minded than I absolutely has the answer to that.

I gotta admit the weather bugged me. Weather in a computer?? Really? I guess as also did the idea of the wastelands. Is that...a part of the inside of a computer that isn't digital? Or...what?

And I'd wondered about the clothing as well. After all, in the original, doesn't Flynn automatically have the circuitry clothing when he arrives? (Anyone explain to me why software has circuitry anyway?) So why does Sam show up in street clothes and has to be changed? (And obviously the dressing scene was written by a man, as anyone familiar with panty lines would never have expected anyone to believe that they stuffed boxer shorts under those tight pants, haha) And why ARE the clothes changeable, and if they're not essential, then why not have them change more often (besides the fact that we need to be able to recognize certain characters)? Not having seen the games at all, what explains the clothing change from the original movie to the games and new movie, anyway? (I agree I like the new look better as well, if for no other reason than the black vs. white background and the elimination of the dorky helmets) Just upgraded software?

I assume they can have sex, but I would find it very, very far-fetched indeed to think they could reproduce (though I guess then that would turn back around to question why they might have sex if there were no biological reason, and no I wouldn't compare it to why would infertile people, or those of us who don't want children, have sex; totally different thing IMO).

I too was bothered by Gem ending up outside her "job," as I had also assumed they were pretty specific--after all, they appear to be put in "storage" of sorts once Sam is dressed.

How does it work that, if Flynn created all of the programs in the new world, they don't ALL look like him?

I could see Flynn bringing real books and food and Bit models, etc., into that world and setting up a system to make copies of consumables on demand.Yes, about that...does he bring them with, and if so, how? Or does he just code them in? (I'd think the latter, because of the unique look of the books, unless he found antique copies)


I thought much the same, that the film was trying so hard to push the "real world good, Grid bad" view that it completely ignored all the messy and unpleasant facts of human existence that makes the Grid attractive as an alternative in the first place. Yeah, for that matter...does that mean female Users on the grid DON'T have to deal with Aunt Flow? What about shaving our legs? I am SO there! (But, I would think those things wouldn't be suspended, not if other biological functions like eating aren't, and again let's go back to Sam bleeding)

The Grid and the Programs within it have been around for thosands of cycles. They have developed their own society with factions and a heirachy.

Their clothing constucts reflect the factions they belong to and how they think. While they look cyber-punkish, they are not directly meant to resemble any particular
real-world fashions of any modern time periods in my view.

Sam's armor suit looked pretty "out of this world" to me. I liked how little bits of noir and Blade Runner-ish cyber punk elements where incorperated into how the Programs looked.

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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:Sam's armor suit looked pretty "out of this world" to me. I liked how little bits of noir and Blade Runner-ish cyber punk elements where incorperated into how the Programs looked. Thank goodness they weren't all wearing tie-dye shirts, camo pants, raggedy denim, or four piece business suits with croc or snake scale texture on them with a tie.

lol raggedy denin. thats true. i guess fashion is not only the eye of the beholder but its fleeting. Some are religiously following the latest some middle some lag. Its a matter of interest and also taste in themes. Some like gritty and grimm, some like flashy and gay. I tend to be middle but looking out for a new cut. I am not gay but trust me, you get compliments from girls when you wear something really new and nice and at the same time get laughter when turning up like a circus freak. Theres no formula. Its the passion to spend more time looking at the latest wear. Even as we speak, my gf is on to the next big trend in woodstock hippy fashion. I am getting too old for this shtick.