Sub-Odeon Wrote:(ahem) not to descend into rank toilet humor...

It's all fun and games till Kevin Flynn programs the MCP with a Fart app.

MCP: Stop... Please!... You realize I can't allow this!

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New system with new rules and applications. Makes sense to me.

Kat Wrote:Oh no, I thought the hippie thing was over and the 80s were back. I was dressing like a hippie before the trendy girls picked it up in the past few years...just waiting for all their discards to hit the thrift stores. I happen to love the fashion in the movie, regardless of what time style it might hail from (and I certainly don't pin it down to the 90s. All I remember of the late 80s/early 90s is spandex leggings, crimped hair done up in side ponytails, and day-glo everything--don't wanna see Tron show up in a slap bracelet, thanks, even if it'd likely be an @$$-kicking slap bracelet). Doesn't hurt that I have a personal love of black eyeliner, which seems to be quite the style in the Grid. I'd go there for the fashion in an instant, especially if I had time to tone up the ol' booty a bit before I had to step into something so form-fitting. (I'd pass on the high heels that seem so ubiquitous to female hero movie characters, though. I'd be an awful movie vixen even if I were hot--you wouldn't catch me trying to kick tail in heels and worrying about turning an ankle while in a fight for my life. Be combat boots all the way. That's pretty much my only disappointment when it came to fashion for this show.)

Yes hippie is back. Lol. Check out American Gold website. But I wnt do bells even if im Elvis son. I think heels are cliched since it's been done to death. For the ninties quote I think it's more early 2000. The 90's wud forever be abt grunge. Kurt is dead. Long live nirvana.
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ShadowDragon1 Wrote:New system with new rules and applications. Makes sense to me.

Good, then.

That means next time we can expect another completely new interpretation when the whole thing is run on someone else's system..

Because I can't get used to the idea of TRON programs looking like that forever..

ZM
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Kat Wrote:Oh no, I thought the hippie thing was over and the 80s were back. I was dressing like a hippie before the trendy girls picked it up in the past few years...just waiting for all their discards to hit the thrift stores. I happen to love the fashion in the movie, regardless of what time style it might hail from (and I certainly don't pin it down to the 90s. All I remember of the late 80s/early 90s is spandex leggings, crimped hair done up in side ponytails, and day-glo everything--don't wanna see Tron show up in a slap bracelet, thanks, even if it'd likely be an @$$-kicking slap bracelet). Doesn't hurt that I have a personal love of black eyeliner, which seems to be quite the style in the Grid. I'd go there for the fashion in an instant, especially if I had time to tone up the ol' booty a bit before I had to step into something so form-fitting. (I'd pass on the high heels that seem so ubiquitous to female hero movie characters, though. I'd be an awful movie vixen even if I were hot--you wouldn't catch me trying to kick tail in heels and worrying about turning an ankle while in a fight for my life. Be combat boots all the way. That's pretty much my only disappointment when it came to fashion for this show.)

This one is female! How is it you haven't been swarmed with admirers yet?

My *only* complaint/disappointment in the movie is that I think the digitization and travel into The Grid should of been fully visualized, with fly though of the digital wormhole, and flying through the digital bits and pixel and eletron blips etc...

Other than that, I think Disney should of given Kosinski a little more time and money to film additional scenes that he wanted to film to make it a 2hr 50 min movie like he wanted.
Perhaps they will let him do an extended directors cut for DVD & BluRay...

Sub-Odeon Wrote:Heh, Kat points out one of the more obvious flaws in a lot of movie fare: the butt-kicking lady characters usually wear stripper heels -- which are improbable at best, even if eye -catching. Even Quorra's chunky-style heels aren't fight-practicle. Hate to say it, but yes, combat boots for the ladies would be the only realistic way to go. Alas, few movies will make that move, when there's a fashion statement of any sort to be made..

If it'd been up to me, not only would Quorra have been in combat boots, she'd have picked up her severed arm and started beating down the enemy with it. And had to be dragged away from the fight because reinforcements were showing up. Her attitude would have been "what? I could take 'em!" rather than collapse into helpless female mode.

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zordmaker Wrote: Sub-Odeon Wrote: Sirens strip Sam to his boxer-briefs. yeah well.. pity poor Sam, I guess they're locked in there now never to be changed.. ZM

Which begs the next question...do Users need to take showers in the Grid? I mean, it doesn't make much sense that they'd sweat and such, right? (I am SO doing all my workouts there from now on. I bet they don't get out of breath either, cuz they don't need to breathe or have heartbeats, right?)

DarthMeow504 Wrote:This one is female! How is it you haven't been swarmed with admirers yet?

Obviously no one's seen my booty yet...

Sub-Odeon Wrote:Hate to say it, but yes, combat boots for the ladies would be the only realistic way to go. Alas, few movies will make that move, when there's a fashion statement of any sort to be made.

Not to mention, geeky fanboys to be placated. Nobody went to see The Matrix to look at Carrie Moss in cargo pants, I'm sure.

It's a really good thing I'm not an actress. I'd be pitching fits: "Hell NO I wouldn't be fighting bad guys in a thong and a top that threatens to pop my boobs out at inopportune moments!" Just about the only relatively-practically-dressed female hero in movies/video games is Lara Croft.

I kinda like eyeliner on *the right guys* though. Not many can pull it off, however.

ShadowDragon1 Wrote: My *only* complaint/disappointment in the movie is that I think the digitization and travel into The Grid should of been fully visualized, with fly though of the digital wormhole, and flying through the digital bits and pixel and eletron blips etc...

I gotta say, I'd be well willing to guess that they were hard-pressed to find a way to do it that doesn't look just like every other movie that has some sort of wormhole thing going on, from The Matrix to Bill & Ted. In which case, I almost prefer the mystery to the same-old yet again...

DarthMeow504 Wrote:If it'd been up to me, not only would Quorra have been in combat boots, she'd have picked up her severed arm and started beating down the enemy with it. And had to be dragged away from the fight because reinforcements were showing up. Her attitude would have been "what? I could take 'em!" rather than collapse into helpless female mode. But that's just me.

Yup, I think I love you. (And to whoever made the "manly women" comment--a woman doesn't have to be manly to be strong, thanks. Especially when you keep in mind that women tend to have higher pain thresholds than men, so she may likely have been more likely to be able to keep pushing through. The question is...if it'd been Tron with his arm off--"it's just a flesh wound!"--would he have kept fighting?? If the answer is really and truly "no," then I'm satisfied. If not, however, then yep, I'd like an explanation too)

Kat Wrote: DarthMeow504 Wrote:This one is female! How is it you haven't been swarmed with admirers yet? Obviously no one's seen my booty yet... DarthMeow504 Wrote:If it'd been up to me, not only would Quorra have been in combat boots, she'd have picked up her severed arm and started beating down the enemy with it. And had to be dragged away from the fight because reinforcements were showing up. Her attitude would have been "what? I could take 'em!" rather than collapse into helpless female mode. But that's just me. Yup, I think I love you. (And to whoever made the "manly women" comment--a woman doesn't have to be manly to be strong, thanks. Especially when you keep in mind that women tend to have higher pain thresholds than men, so she may likely have been more likely to be able to keep pushing through. The question is...if it'd been Tron with his arm off--"it's just a flesh wound!"--would he have kept fighting?? If the answer is really and truly "no," then I'm satisfied. If not, however, then yep, I'd like an explanation too)

I can't speak for others, but a woman of intelligence and strong will and geeky appreciation of sci fi in general and Tron is specific IS my idea of hot regardless of the shape of her bottom. The brain is the sexiest of all organs, after all.

And I agree with you entirely on the pain threshold and the "would the male hero be depicted thusly?" test. There is the fact that Tron was shown as defeated by a similar number of guards, so that's points in the movie's favor. But I still get the feeling that with a similar injury he'd at least attempt to fight on even if he couldn't. And if he had to be carried out it would have been the soldier-esque lean on his buddies and they run out rather than the full carry like a rescue victim. It's very rare that male heroes are allowed to look weak even for a moment, while female ones don't get the same consideration.

There's still a long way to go before there's truly equal representation.

Kat Wrote: zordmaker Wrote: Sub-Odeon Wrote: Sirens strip Sam to his boxer-briefs. yeah well.. pity poor Sam, I guess they're locked in there now never to be changed.. ZM Which begs the next question...do Users need to take showers in the Grid? I mean, it doesn't make much sense that they'd sweat and such, right? (I am SO doing all my workouts there from now on. I bet they don't get out of breath either, cuz they don't need to breathe or have heartbeats, right?

Yeah well this brings up al that "break the rules" stuff I was on about in my review. It spoils the movie (for me). The first movie set a standard that everyone on the Grid had more or less the same look. The circuits and form fitting was basically their native form (nude?) and then they put things on top of it.

As opposed to T:L where now we assume it's not them we're looking at but in fact clothes on top of them, and that there's something else underneath.

I went through all this crap with the Power Rangers movie in 1994. Fortunately the powers that be saw my side of the argument (only as if by accident) because when they started filming scenes with no visors on helmets (that was the first night I was scheduled on set) I had kittens and hapily told certain art directors that they were being stupid. 3 weeks and about 5 million dollars later they saw sense and put the visors back in.

Why is this relevant to Tron? Because the argument I had with Craig (Stearns, Prod Des) over PRTM was that when the rangers morph they are not "putting on clothes" but "changing into something else, with a new external appearance". They dismissed me as the "mad nutter on set who is actually a fan of the show" but I was proven right in the end, perhaps I drew more respect when they realised that I actually put some thought in to the zord designs and , well, blah blah.

So opinion? They should have kept the original look then dressed stuff on top of it. When Sam arrived, h should have looked exactly the same as Flynn did in the original film. This would have stood out like a sore thumb against the others, which is what they wanted anyway.

They could then have taken him to the "wardrobe" and "dressed" the new look on top of that so as to make him look like the others.

That would have set the standard in respect of the existing rules and also set a path as to how the old became the new, it would have done everything.

In short ; there's no flesh and bone in your computer and so there should be none in TRON either.

ZM