A post I made from another part of the forums:

Well, the writers of the film explained how Quorra became real, basically using the matter that was once Kevin Flynn's. And someone at another one of the forums I went to (I can't remember if it was here or at the Replica Prop Forum I'm a member of) actually posted the frightening aspect about what would have happened if CLU succeeded in getting into the real world. Since matter is needed for Quorra to become real, and she's using Kevin Flynn's matter, someone suggested that CLU could have abducted human beings and sent then into the computer and have the same amount of members of his program army come through. Another poster actually explained that if all was needed was matter, there would be nothing saying that CLU couldn't digitize an entire building and use the matter to bring out Recognizers and Tanks from the Grid.

I thought only Quorra could become human because of her, human like, DNA. But, the movie did give the impression that Clue and his army coming through to the real world, was a real threat. Maybe, the disk contained the missing DNA code that programs needed to live in the real world.

As far as vehicles, that would be interesting. How would they function? Does Sam and Quorra have their disks in the real world? And do they work? The ending was a bit too short. Not different than the first Tron, I suppose.

Maybe, because the writers knew that Clue wasn't going to succeed, they felt it wasn't necessary to explain how it would have worked. After all, they are notorious for this kind of thing. LOST anyone?

And Flynn having to merge with Clue wasn't clearly explained. Clue wasn't made of Flynn so why did he have to merge with him in the first place. And why did it destroy them both? It just seemed a little "deus ex machina". It's like they needed to tie up the Flynn/Clue story arc and came up with a weak way to do it, so it wouldn't go over the film length they were shooting for.abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

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I agree. I thought CLU on the Net would become like the computer from the movie Eagle Eye
A concept that could still be in play for Tron3 with Dillenger JR and a new MCP against Sam and Quorra as a possible plot line.

PunkMaister Wrote:Well for the looks of it he really did not have it all that well planned given his intention to try to bring out his entire army to the real world in one gulp which would had most likely failed. But as someone else said even the idea of Clu 2 surviving the ordeal and manifesting himself in the real world was too much, it as bad as Agent Smith in the Matrix. So off course he had to be stopped at all costs. But that does not mean that some other program perhaps another surviving ISO will try to do the same and being more thorough since ISOS are not limited to what their users programed to do but are very much free agents succeeds where Clu 2 failed. That would indeed bring a nightmarish existence sort of like the one from the Matrix into reality. I think they would use humans but not to take back to the digital world but to literally dissolve so their matter can then be used toto bring soldier programs and so on into our world, 3D printing would take care of the tanks and hardware. As I said a very frightening Matrix like scenario right there...

If the Shiva laser works like I think it does, then the CLU takeover scenario is very possible indeed. Given that the Shiva can deconstruct matter, turn it into digital energy, send it into a computer for processing, and then spit it back out again (presumably with whatever changes rendered inside the Grid intact), then it is indeed a world conquering weapon.

The way it goes down is, CLU overrides the safety protocols and sets the laser to intake all necessary matter in range to manifest his army. Of course it would avoid hitting it's own servers and power supply, but beyond that it's anything goes. In the course of probably a few minutes to an hour, a few blocks of the downtown city are converted to a fully equipped invasion force numbering in the thousands. LAPD is the only force available that can respond in anything resembling a timely manner, and they can't handle a single Terminator so there's no way they have a prayer in hell against a digitized army. The situation devolves quickly from "what in the hell is this unexplained phenomenon" to "holy shit we're getting our asses kicked!". Within an hour of first attack, the CLU army has uncontested control of a good chunk of LA, if not the city in it's entirety.

They establish a perimeter while the National Guard is mobilizing, a process that can be expected to take hours. You can forget the US military, it's in the middle east and at maximum speed can be expected to take no less than 48 hours to get boots on the ground. That's an eternity for this fight. So logistically, CLU's forces have a window numbering in the hours to operate essentially unopposed. And inside the red line perimeter, things are happening fast.

Because aside from pauses for cooling, there's no reason that Shiva ever stops rezzing. Clu's forces would be feeding everything and everyone into it, and pumping out more soldiers, more equipment, and most importantly more Shiva lasers. First laser makes a second, those two make two more for a total of four, those four make four more for a total of eight, then sixteen, thirty-two, sixty-four, and so on in an exponential progression. Pretty soon you have enough capacity to start eating the city from within. A cluster of lasers in the center starts fortifying it's position, rezzing up server farms and an electricity grid and hardened armor protection, most likely building downwards and burrowing itself deep underground. In the meantime, excess lasers are being moved to various points in a node configuration, cranking out more lasers to fortify and enhance the position, and spawning off another laser to be taken to another node point and do it again. These nodes start evolving into processing centers towards the center, and hardened defensive positions with heavy weapons towards the perimeter.

By the time the National Guard mobilizes and engages, the interior of the city structure is primed to start converting and cranking out more troops and equipment at a reasonably high rate of speed. The former citizens of LA are being forced into the maw of Shiva lasers, processed in rectifier centers inside the Grid, and pumped out the other side as fully equipped soldiers ready to hit the field. That gives them the ability to replace casualties as fast or faster than they are inflicted, while their human foes have no such capacity. The battle can't end any better for them than it did for the LAPD.

By the time the US armed forces are able to get back from the middle east and mobilize a response, it's fairly certain that there will have been enough time to convert the entire LA population. Just going by the incorporated city limits itself, that's 3.8 million troops. Once it expands to the entire LA urban expanse, which it inevitably will, that's a converted population and thus troop strength topping 14 million, in a heavily fortified position that keeps getting more built up at a humanly impossible rate. Soon, and well before any conceivable human force can mobilize to take it, the former Los Angeles has become an unassailable fortress with an overwhelming army at it's disposal.

While the world is still trying to assemble a conventional response, as it's almost certain the order to nuke an american city wouldn't be a swift one, the final card is played. Several launch streaks straight upwards ascend from the center of New CLU City, and shortly thereafter a beam ascends from a spire in the central fortress straight up into orbit. A link, sending digitized matter to a sattelite in orbit with a Shiva of it's own. Manufacturing a satellite network almost as fast or perhaps faster than it did the fortress itself.

The first satellite network is an orbital defense array to defend against ballistic missiles. Nukes are suddenly off the table, and humanity's last hope is gone. From there, satellite-based Shivas can plant a new core in the center of each city, a Shiva that will crank out more Shivas and consume everything the way the first one did LA. There's no defense. Humanity is finished by the end of the week. Skynet is jealous.

Like the Dude himself said, Game Over, Man.

cirlin Wrote:I really wish they had shown us what happened when Sam and Quorra first got back to the real world. How was she dressed? Did either have a disk at all? Again, I suppose this could have an explanation, but it would have to be a pretty good one.

Someone noted that perhaps Sam had to go run out and get clothes for Quorra while the Grid was being transfered. I don't think the disks exist in the real world, but the that leaves the question of how the data stored on it is preserved.........

CB2001 Wrote: cirlin Wrote:How was she dressed? Well, I think it's really simple to understand. I mean, when Sam went into the system for the first time, it made a digital version of him and his clothes. Though his clothes were changed by Gem and the Siren's, he still ended up back in his regular clothes when he exited the system (strangely enough, for the original film, Flynn's outfit changed when he was digitized and was back to normal when he came back out). I believe that when the system digitized Sam, it remembered what he was wearing when it did it. Looking at how the system is when it comes to it recreating Sam's clothes for his digital version, I think it's possible that the reverse is likely possible when it comes to Quorra and her outfit. I mean, if you pay attention, her clothes are not only same color, but its almost the same design as it was in the Grid. I think the system pretty much outputted the outfit when it made Quorra physical, and did its best to make a physical version of the outfit she was wearing. I bet that if it had been CLU that gotten out, it would have outputted an outfit in the similar way, in color AND similar design.

This is actually what I assumed as well. It makes sense, but it would have also been cool if she had her exact costume with glowy awesomeness.
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CB2001 Wrote: Scottn Wrote: CB2001 Wrote: cirlin Wrote:How was she dressed? Well, I think it's really simple to understand. I mean, when Sam went into the system for the first time, it made a digital version of him and his clothes. Though his clothes were changed by Gem and the Siren's, he still ended up back in his regular clothes when he exited the system (strangely enough, for the original film, Flynn's outfit changed when he was digitized and was back to normal when he came back out). I believe that when the system digitized Sam, it remembered what he was wearing when it did it. Looking at how the system is when it comes to it recreating Sam's clothes for his digital version, I think it's possible that the reverse is likely possible when it comes to Quorra and her outfit. I mean, if you pay attention, her clothes are not only same color, but its almost the same design as it was in the Grid. I think the system pretty much outputted the outfit when it made Quorra physical, and did its best to make a physical version of the outfit she was wearing. I bet that if it had been CLU that gotten out, it would have outputted an outfit in the similar way, in color AND similar design. This is actually what I assumed as well. It makes sense, but it would have also been cool if she had her exact costume with glowy awesomeness. True, but then she'd stand out. Let's face it, unless you're like Daft Punk or attend raves (or in our reality, going to a convention dressed as a character), no one would wear clothing that have glowing lights on it while they're walking around in normal life. Though it would be cool to us "Tron" fans, in the 'real world' setting of "Tron", people would be bound to notice her if she was glowing and think it was odd.

I knew that. I was just saying it would still look cool.
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cirlin Wrote:That's a pretty interesting scenerio. There's just a few places where I'd need convincing. For one, where is the laser getting all this power? I can't imagine it being run endlessly with the only pauses being due to heat. I have enough trouble imagining enough energy being available to digitize things occasionally much less constantly. I'm not saying a convincing explanation is impossible, but I would want one. The other thing is, we don't know if their weapons or vehicles would work at all in our world. I really wish they had shown us what happened when Sam and Quorra first got back to the real world. How was she dressed? Did either have a disk at all? Again, I suppose this could have an explanation, but it would have to be a pretty good one.

The laser itself provides it's own power. It's very function is to turn matter to energy. A single kilogram of matter provides 20 kilotons of energy when converted. The Shiva powers itself by cannibalizing the matter fed into it for transformation. For example, to get one 20 ton tank, it might require an input of 20 tons and five more pounds that is converted to energy to fuel the process.

As to the machines functioning in the real world, we have energy weapons now in a crude form, and the Shiva laser itself is a pretty impressive piece of tech. I don't think energy weapons will be a problem. The vehicles can use electric motors easily enough, perhaps even powered by miniaturized, single-purpose Shivas that turn fuel matter, say common water, into energy. One would also imagine that Shiva lasers themselves would be weaponized, used to strike enemy vehicles, emplacements, even personnel and suck them into the Grid for processing.

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