Just randomly remembered where In Tron: Legacy, Flynn was telling CLU that perfection was abnormal, but when he created CLU, he thought it was possible.

That could be a reason, i don't know, digitize a Therapist, and have him//her to talk to a backed up version of CLU (if there is one)

Sub-Odeon Wrote: On a deeper level, I also got the notion that Clu was an orphaned son in a somewhat similar fashion as Sam: having created Clu, Flynn ultimately abandons him (emotionally) as he chases the new vision of the ISOs, and suddenly Clu can't deal with being second fiddle; because he's not emotionally mature enough to adapt to the new reality.

I got this feeling too. Just think, when Kevin Flynn would return to the real world, he would be going back to his real son, while abandoning his artificial and neglected son CLU, to imprisonment in the cold world of the grid. This could explain the guilt that seems to hang over Kevin Flynn during much of the movie, as well as explaining much of the emotional subtext during the climax. This is paralleled in Sam Flynn's anger at his father early in the film.
You could look at CLU.s imprisonment of Flynn as a way of taking him away from his son as much as anything else. Another sign of CLU's jealousy of Sam is when his sizes him up by looking at his life through his identity disc and then dismisses him by saying "I expected more."

It all effected me quite emotionally. It's a very melancholy movie.

I believe that the critics came into this movie unwilling to connect to it except on a glossy surface level and missed much that was under that surface.

Pilgrim1099 Wrote:God gave Lucifer the realm of Hell to reign over.

What?! The Bible you got that from has some extra pages. That, or too much cartoons. Satan want's to got to hell about as much as you, I or anyone else. What verse did you get this from? He was cast down from heaven down to earth after his rebellion. At best, Satan has authority over the evil in this world.

Ephesians 2
1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

I see Clu as a kind of doppleganger-homunculus that he created. Shown first as Flynn's dark mirror reflection, and made to be manifested.

In some ways, Clu is Flynn's "shadow" manifested apart from Flynn. "The shadow" was described by Carl Jung . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)
Clu is flawed and limited and only seeks what he thinks is "perfection" and cannot change his view to see another way of looking at thing or changing his thinking.

"The first sign of shadow projection appears as a strong emotional reaction to anyone or anything in the environment..." in this case Clu is fully manifested and shows this behavioral trait.

They're decorations made to look like Bit from the first movie (Yes and No states). Bit was Clu's sidekick in the firet movie. Clu: "Do you think we can merge with this memory, Bit?" Bit: "Yes.". When Clu's tank is destroyed by the Recognizers, Bit escapes the destruction and then later becomes Flynn's sidekick.

I like that Clu opts for the "No" Bit... Its more negative. What bad guy would choose the Yes Bit? seems like it's actually a subconscious choice be picks up the No bit.

I wish they would expand this and have a personal fight of Clu vs Zeus and Bit vs Gem.

That would be classic.

I still sat these are possibly the puzzle games I had as a kid, from the 1980s, not necessarily BIT from the first movie. Or both? I dunno.

I love everyones in depth look at CLU. He was part of the reason why I saw the movie four times in the theater!

Clu is fun to pick apart.

ChessMess Wrote:Why couldn't CLU adapt? Yori goes from simulation program to fighting the MCP, heck CROM goes from checking rates to fighting in games. TRON can be changed from fighting for the users to fighting for CLU (and back). Why is CLU the only program who had to follow his programming instructions to the letter?

Well, I always took it as that Flynn programmed CLU differently, which would make sense in the context of the "TRON" timeline. I mean, if he had used CLU 1.0 from the first film, I think it would have played out differently. But CLU 2.0 was created partly on the outside of the system (as we see in "Tron: Betrayal") and inside the system (as we see in the comic and film). And I believe, somewhere, inside him, there was either a 1 or a 0 that was off by one position that made it impossible for him to adapt.

And due to that inability to adapt, he was stuck following the programmed point of view. Think of it like this: hackers create computer viruses that destroy computer systems. That is its purpose. It doesn't discriminate about who the user is. If the virus had become activated on the computer that the hacker was using, it would do the same thing it would if it was activated on a computer system owned by someone else. It can't stop and say, "Hey, man... This is my user's computer. I should I really be doing this?"

I think that the flashback where we see CLU turning on Flynn is a clear example of him unable to adapt. If you notice, CLU asks, "Flynn, am I still to create the perfect system?" It after Flynn said "Yeah" that the attack occurred. I think that if Flynn said, "No," CLU would have stopped, because the scene to me reflects those pop-up boxes in Windows and MacOS that ask you questions, like "Are you sure you want to delete this file?" or "Are you sure you want to install this program?", where there are simply a "yes" and "no" question. "Am I still to create the perfect system?" is a yes or no question. I think him saying "no" would have helped CLU change.

A lot of people at the IMDb forum forum for "Tron: Legacy" kept complaining about the lack of an explanation of CLU's actions and that his reasons for his actions for killing the ISOs were unclear. And the reason why they don't get it is because they're looking at CLU as a human character, not as what he really is: a computer program. Basically, with the examples of Yori, Ram, and Crom, most programs were programmed to perform tasks. But they were programmed by users on the outside. But you forget one thing: Tron had to follow his programming like CLU did. Don't believe me? Watch the first one again. Flynn told Tron (while pretending to be a program) that he was there to help Tron stop the MCP. Instead of Tron taking Flynn at his word and them going straight to work to stop the MCP with just him and Flynn alone, what does he do? He goes to the I/O tower, and receives the instructions on how to shut down the MCP, basically getting confirmation by Alan himself to proceed with his task. Tron's a security program, meant to police the system and shut down any unauthorized activity. That's his purpose and he needs human confirmation before doing something off protocol. And since he's a security program, it'd make sense that Yori would follow him in stopping the MCP, as he would have authorization to utilize other processes and other programs to complete his task (much like most programs these days. For example, video games on the PC utilizing DirectX, or Quicktime using codecs.

Of course, this is just my opinion.