IluthraDanar
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Posts: 1,178 | RE: Sympathy for The Devil (aka: Clu 2)
on Sunday, March, 27, 2011 8:19 PM
CB2001 Wrote:| ChessMess Wrote:Why couldn't CLU adapt? Yori goes from simulation program to fighting the MCP, heck CROM goes from checking rates to fighting in games. TRON can be changed from fighting for the users to fighting for CLU (and back). Why is CLU the only program who had to follow his programming instructions to the letter? |
Well, I always took it as that Flynn programmed CLU differently, which would make sense in the context of the "TRON" timeline. I mean, if he had used CLU 1.0 from the first film, I think it would have played out differently. But CLU 2.0 was created partly on the outside of the system (as we see in "Tron: Betrayal") and inside the system (as we see in the comic and film). And I believe, somewhere, inside him, there was either a 1 or a 0 that was off by one position that made it impossible for him to adapt.
And due to that inability to adapt, he was stuck following the programmed point of view. Think of it like this: hackers create computer viruses that destroy computer systems. That is its purpose. It doesn't discriminate about who the user is. If the virus had become activated on the computer that the hacker was using, it would do the same thing it would if it was activated on a computer system owned by someone else. It can't stop and say, "Hey, man... This is my user's computer. I should I really be doing this?"
I think that the flashback where we see CLU turning on Flynn is a clear example of him unable to adapt. If you notice, CLU asks, "Flynn, am I still to create the perfect system?" It after Flynn said "Yeah" that the attack occurred. I think that if Flynn said, "No," CLU would have stopped, because the scene to me reflects those pop-up boxes in Windows and MacOS that ask you questions, like "Are you sure you want to delete this file?" or "Are you sure you want to install this program?", where there are simply a "yes" and "no" question. "Am I still to create the perfect system?" is a yes or no question. I think him saying "no" would have helped CLU change.
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So Clu was giving Flynn a flowchart query and Flynn failed? That really does put a different perspective on things. |
Forget it, Mr High and Mighty Master Control. You aren't making me talk.
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Pilgrim1099
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Posts: 606 | RE: Sympathy for The Devil (aka: Clu 2)
on Sunday, March, 27, 2011 8:57 PM
Great perspectives there! But I still think Clu's the greatest.
I can see this in Tron 3:
Clu's closing in for the kill.
MCP: W-w-wait--WAAAIITT!!
CLU: Yes, conscript?
MCP: I-I-thought this was only just a game!
CLU: . . . .Not anymore. I remember what you did to my oldest 'brother'. CLU 1.0 says "Hello and Derezz, bitch!"
MCP gets derezzed.
DILLINGER JR: Oh crap. Here goes my father's program again.
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Kat
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Posts: 2,394 | RE: Sympathy for The Devil (aka: Clu 2)
on Sunday, March, 27, 2011 9:23 PM
IluthraDanar Wrote:CB2001 Wrote:| ChessMess Wrote:Why couldn't CLU adapt? Yori goes from simulation program to fighting the MCP, heck CROM goes from checking rates to fighting in games. TRON can be changed from fighting for the users to fighting for CLU (and back). Why is CLU the only program who had to follow his programming instructions to the letter? |
Well, I always took it as that Flynn programmed CLU differently, which would make sense in the context of the "TRON" timeline. I mean, if he had used CLU 1.0 from the first film, I think it would have played out differently. But CLU 2.0 was created partly on the outside of the system (as we see in "Tron: Betrayal") and inside the system (as we see in the comic and film). And I believe, somewhere, inside him, there was either a 1 or a 0 that was off by one position that made it impossible for him to adapt.
And due to that inability to adapt, he was stuck following the programmed point of view. Think of it like this: hackers create computer viruses that destroy computer systems. That is its purpose. It doesn't discriminate about who the user is. If the virus had become activated on the computer that the hacker was using, it would do the same thing it would if it was activated on a computer system owned by someone else. It can't stop and say, "Hey, man... This is my user's computer. I should I really be doing this?"
I think that the flashback where we see CLU turning on Flynn is a clear example of him unable to adapt. If you notice, CLU asks, "Flynn, am I still to create the perfect system?" It after Flynn said "Yeah" that the attack occurred. I think that if Flynn said, "No," CLU would have stopped, because the scene to me reflects those pop-up boxes in Windows and MacOS that ask you questions, like "Are you sure you want to delete this file?" or "Are you sure you want to install this program?", where there are simply a "yes" and "no" question. "Am I still to create the perfect system?" is a yes or no question. I think him saying "no" would have helped CLU change.
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So Clu was giving Flynn a flowchart query and Flynn failed? That really does put a different perspective on things. |
I figured it was one of those things he'd do just for CYA so he could technically say he covered all his bases--"Hey, I ASKED him, and he SAID...." Was he really expecting Flynn to say anything different? |
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