Euphemizm Wrote:I used to use Lightwave 3D. Actually there are some old Lightcycle renders I did here years back in the fan art section. These were done in Lightwave with a render engine called F-Prime. Now I primarily use Maya and have been for a while. Though I have also completed work in 3dsmax and XSi/Softimage. Have used mental ray, Renderman, and Vray render engines. In Lightwave I had used F-Prime to complete work for a bit. I also mainly use modo for modeling. I also use Zbrush but mainly mudbox. In the Evolution video game trailer I used Zbrush to apply the virus cracks up and down abraxas. I also rigged and animated Abraxas for that spot. Did a cloth sim for the cape as well. Hmm, some of the NDA stuff is up. I can probably post some Crew pics here at Tron Sector. Great to hear Lightwave is still getting some love these days.

Mudbox? Nice . I happen to know one of the founders of this app personally. He did some work for LOTR back in the day but now he works on that app under Autodesk.

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2. This is the only thing I agree with you on.

3. It's called a homage for a reason.

4. At least it was something original. And where did Top Gun even come into this?

5. Hey, they did the best they could.

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BigbadMCP Wrote: When people who loved the movie read posts like this, it feels as if you're not only passing judgment on the movie, but on the tastes and intelligence of those people as well.

Yeah, I think I could have used the words 'low points' instead of uppercase FAIL. Perhaps I can at the very least change the case to lower for starters. When I opened the thread I was initially still a little overwhelmed by my initial disapointment in the film and wanted to emphasize that fact but it may have been a little too much emphasis.

I have decided that I am going to watch the movie again and this time try get more enjoyment out of it, if for any reason, just to appreciate that the film was made. I also have been listening to the soundtrack over the past week and really like it. Hopefully that helps with my second viewing but I don't see a second viewing helping with the majority of the fail points however. Maybe some though. I'm hoping to get much more out of the plot\story the second time.

flotilla Wrote: BigbadMCP Wrote: When people who loved the movie read posts like this, it feels as if you're not only passing judgment on the movie, but on the tastes and intelligence of those people as well. Yeah, I think I could have used the words 'low points' instead of uppercase FAIL. Perhaps I can at the very least change the case to lower for starters. When I opened the thread I was initially still a little overwhelmed by my initial disapointment in the film and wanted to emphasize that fact but it may have been a little too much emphasis. I have decided that I am going to watch the movie again and this time try get more enjoyment out of it, if for any reason, just to appreciate that the film was made. I also have been listening to the soundtrack over the past week and really like it. Hopefully that helps with my second viewing but I don't see a second viewing helping with the majority of the fail points however. Maybe some though. I'm hoping to get much more out of the plot\story the second time.

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...I'm sorry!!!

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Am I a bad person if I actually feel sorry for people who just don't get this film?

Also, I thought I had grown tired of the soundtrack early last week (listen to it at work, listen to it in the car, etc.) but I find that after seeing the film, I can't listen to it enough.

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The thing about the transition between the real world and Grid was, to me, actually perfect. Why? Because of two reasons.

1. It helps show how advanced the technology in the 6 year period that Flynn began working on the Grid is. In "Tron: Betrayal", you see him exit out of the Grid one of the times in the same way as in the original "Tron" film. Since Flynn was a genius in software and hardware hacking, he could have made some modifications over the 6 year period to cut down on the transfer time. And it shows at the point that he had gotten the system to work so fast, that the transfer occurs in almost a blink of an eye, which means he wouldn't have to wait long to be transfered onto and from the Grid (this is even more helpful, especially since he had a wife and son to worry about, as we see in "Tron: Betrayal.")

2. Plot wise, it's great for the sudden transition. Think of it like this: We're following Sam at the point it occurs. Sam has never gone through the transfer before. By having that sudden jarring transfer from the real world to the Grid, it gives the audience the same feeling that Sam is going through that moment, that "What the hell just happened?" feeling. And then as he realizes that he's on the Grid, we are there along with him, experience it for the first time too.

Finally got to see Tron: Legacy again.

I had listened to the soundtrack over and over for weeks since my first viewing of the film and it was a little better the second time around. Most of the lowpoints or failpoints still seemed noticeable but I may drop a couple of them. The majority still stand however.

Still going to purchase it when it comes out. I might even see it one more time in the theater. The music really really helps. I specifically watched for Tron appearances the second time around and I really think he should of had a bigger part. It was too miniscule so that low point still stands.

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flotilla Wrote: As an absolute fan of the original Tron (viewed over 300 times), listed below are a couple FAIL points that I observed in Tron Legacy during a midnight screening of the film: 1. Garrett Hedlund's acting ability 2. Minimum use of the Tron character in the movie. 3. Horrible redo's of the origiinal films one-liners 4. Flying Top Gun-like space ship fighter vehicles 5. Clu's Face (holy horrible cgi) 6. The Plot 7. Too many boring scenes (way too many) 8. Costumes (compared to original) 9. Transistion from Real World to the grid (way too short) 10. The character of Zues I'm sure there are many more but those are the initial 10 that bothered me the most.

i would agree with point 2, 5, 6, 7 and 9.

the clu cgi is not good, but i would accept it at the end. They did the best they can.

the plot is just average, could have been better. But i hear that their preparation of the script is not good. They have to continue work on the script while shooting the film. It also took only 65 days to shoot. They're in a rush to do this, of course it turns to be pretty bad.

I agree some scene can cut it out, like the dinner, book, Sam-Kevin talking about Lakers, wifi. I don't think it's necessary.

terrychoichelsea Wrote:They have no idea about most of the things happening in The Grid. Of course they wouldn't know, because all question i asked them didn't come from Tron: Legacy. It's coming from comic books Tron: Betrayal and video game Tron: Evolution. I'm starting to realize that this may be one of the biggest mistake Disney made here. Tron indeed have a good story, but they decided to split the story to different part and sell it from different channels. I think it's wrong.

Yes, thank you. I still am not able to wrap my head around what is canon or not. First off, I thought the films were it, period, until I came here. Then I see discussions here about how sometimes the games/books/movies contradict each other on facts (how old is so-and-so, what year did X happen, what happened to Y character after the first film and why did they/did they not show up in T:L, where did Z character come from, yada yada). Then you start getting references to the Flynn Lives! bunch and how the movie people stole some ideas from them, and... And then you bring in stuff like Tron 2.0 with alternate characters and storylines and I've read that that's technically not considered canon but some people talk like it is... I wish Disney would come out with an official "backstory" book. It doesn't need to be fancy or long, just thorough and I'ld be happy with bullet points:
--So Flynn comes out of the Encom mainframe and does this
--Then this happens in this year
--Then this happens in this year
--This is what Sam's background is
--And then...

Etc. Otherwise it's hard to piece together, especially since, as I've said, there's so much contradiction out there even among stuff that is considered canon. Maybe if I could get ahold of all of the side stuff--books, games, graphic novels, yada yada, and go through it carefully, I could piece it together, but geez, I wouldn't know where to find half this stuff nor do I have multiple gaming systems to go through the games with. Quite agreed that I'd be fine with it if the games came out after the movies and if they need to come up with side plots to expand on the movies, fine. But don't use them as a way to bridge the gap between two movies as if they're a pseudo-movie in themselves and then wonder why audiences don't "get" the movie. IMO, the movies should be canon; the games should be "extra." Hell, the games can even be non-canon, that's cool; I'd be willing to think of the games as a form of fanfic.

(We won't talk about how all the games for different platforms are apparently different. In theory the concept is sort of cool, but then you realize that no matter what system you own, unless you own them all and buy the game for each, you're definitely missing out on something, and that sucks. And game systems aren't dinky little things; you can't call it a marketing ploy to sell more stuff because nobody's going to buy multiple systems, I assume. I mean, if there were multiple games for each platform with different storylines, that would be realistic to think that it could boost sales, but...)

I also felt a bit like the T:L directors expected everyone had already seen the original or at the very least knew a good part of the plot. That would explain, for example, #9 on the list--maybe they felt they didn't need to show it because they assumed everyone had seen the first movie and already got the idea. That might work if the original had come out last year, but for a film that is older than much of the target audience... Luckily for me, though I hadn't seen the original first (I tried to insist on it--i'm a purist that way and also believe in reading a book before seeing the movie, seeing an original version of a film before watching the remake, etc.) my partner kinda sprang the viewing of T:L on me ("let's go tonight!") so I didn't get a chance. But he had explained to me the plot long before, so I didn't feel like I floundered too much. If I'd walked into the theater without knowing anything about '82 Tron though, I think I would've been a lot more lost.

I didn't find the plot boring. Yes, there were the explanation parts and the emotional parts and the "I haven't seen you in 20 years and here's what's been going on" parts. Frankly, I thought those parts were too short--you haven't seen your kid since he was little and you don't ask more than that?? Really? (but I chalk that up to the fact that they were kinda busy. Well, except for the part at the safe house--really, Flynn, your kid shows up and you have no idea what happened for 20 years of his life and you just throw a temper tantrum and go to bed? I would've been up talking to him all night!)

I'll admit: I wasn't into the Dude-isms. From what I can gather, that's the same way Flynn talked in the original so I won't lean too harshly on "really, you took another character the actor played and tried to insert that character into a character in a totally different movie??" but it just makes me think...does Jeff Bridges ever play anything but the same character?? (trying to remember what else I've seen him in.)

Also wasn't big on the Clu CGI, found him a bit creepy looking, but what can you do. I couldn't have done better, so I guess I shouldn't talk!

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Kat Wrote:I also felt a bit like the T:L directors expected everyone had already seen the original or at the very least knew a good part of the plot. That would explain, for example, #9 on the list--maybe they felt they didn't need to show it because they assumed everyone had seen the first movie and already got the idea. That might work if the original had come out last year, but for a film that is older than much of the target audience... Luckily for me, though I hadn't seen the original first (I tried to insist on it--i'm a purist that way and also believe in reading a book before seeing the movie, seeing an original version of a film before watching the remake, etc.) my partner kinda sprang the viewing of T:L on me ("let's go tonight!") so I didn't get a chance. But he had explained to me the plot long before, so I didn't feel like I floundered too much. If I'd walked into the theater without knowing anything about '82 Tron though, I think I would've been a lot more lost.

Of course they all expected it. You can sense it in the way they did the promotion. Tron: Betrayal was released about a month before TL(November), and Tron Evolution was released a week before TL (7th December).

I think their "master plan" is that:
Step 1. Making a lot of promotion months before. They probably believe every one will go to get the Tron 1982 film to take a look after seeing their promotion.
Step 2. Release Tron:Betrayal. They probably think anyone have interest in this movie must buy this. They will all get their idea so don't need to mention it again.
Step 3. Release Tron: Evolution. They probably think a week is good enough for all of us to beat the game.
Step 4: After finishing the game, yeah!!! It's just time to go to cinema!!! What a great timing it would be!!!
Step 5. Release Tron:Legacy
Step 6. Finished the film. Everyone is so thrilled about the story and praise Disney of their "master work" to link up the story with comics-games-movies.

I have to say, if everyone is following this order to enjoy Tron, I'm sure it will overtake Avatar by now. But i very much doubt anyone will follow this "master plan". At least i'm not one of them.

I already mentioned in "New member" thread, I'm only aware of Tron because of Tron:Legacy. I don't know anything about it before. I only became aware that i lost so many plots because of "Tron: Wikia" and here. I need to get back to understand and that's difficult and frustrating.

It just show how short sight Disney can be. I agree with you, they did that probably want to earn more money, but they almost destroyed a good story because of that.

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