Yes, watch it again. I really liked it the first time, had a handful of annoyances, and so was reluctant to recommend it to people who aren't into sci-fi. It seemed more "Sci-fi" than I was hoping for (like Jarvis' shaved head and weird visor were screaming out typical 'sci-fi' look).

But I enjoyed the movie more the second time. I was able to look past some of that stuff and enjoy it more for what it is... And catch things I missed the first time. Now I'm more comfortable with recommending it and standing by my word. The first time I watched it was the midnight showing, after being in line a few hours, so I wonder if that made it tougher to get absorbed in the experience...

I think the first time I watched I was also accidentally putting myself in others' shoes too much, like what would 'this person' who has never seen Tron think? Would they be able to enjoy? I was being overly analytical because I had a number of people say to me, "Tell me what you think... Tell me if I should watch it." For my second viewing, I allowed myself to be taken on the journey. I still have some things I wish were better or different, but I don't want to talk about those now. I want to watch the movie more. I don't think it will ever match or exceed my deeply-rooted love for (Tron), but I think it will latch onto my heart nicely more and more over time.

PS, for LA Noir, I heard (from IGN?) the faces were actually real actors' faces, not really Computer generated. Yes they're computer-attached to the bodies and, and there's probably some CG work to blend the real actors faces onto the heads... But the eyes, nose, mouth? Just a video of the actors...maybe with a filter applied over it to help blend it with CG surroundings. So, if true, I don't think that wouldve worked for T:L. They're not taking an older person and making them look younger and I don't see how Rockstar could do this better than DD. Not even an apples-to-apples comparison, if IGN was correctwhere to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill onlineabortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

Well, I work at DD. You are right, its not the same method at all. What is of note is that the video of the actors face is used to drive it more so then the motion capture.

In T:L we had both motion capture and video. Where I think we could have improved was in the hand stitching of each expression. It is difficult as when you get older your skin moves across your face differently and this might have translated to the younger head in a way that didn't help. What I saw in the la noir piece is that the video was driving the molding of the low res mesh a lot more. I think this could be improved for use in our method. Of course Weta had done a great job in Avatar with the Navi but because the Navi are kind of cartoonish the variations of the face capture are more forgivable.

I noticed that the scene where Beau Garret says "Survive" you see her lips purse up and become wrinkled. This same articulation is not seen in certain motions in CLU's lips. It comes close but never as detailed. This is where people go "hmmm. something is off here".

Plus the "Always on the same team" needed more overall head movement, brow movement, cheek squinting, etc. There were nice moments with CLU though where I didn't notice the effect which is what you want. There were about 4 key shots that you just notice something is up. This will be labored over given Tron 3 Green light for sure.

That is of course if CLU is in the next film. Tron's face seemed to work well. No one noticed Young Bradley/Tron being off much.where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online

Just wanted to say - even though I disagree with flotilla on all points I do think it's good for fans to talk about what they didn't enjoy as well. It can only help for the next movie. Glad to hear Disney will be putting more emphasis on the script for 3 though. I kind of figured - if for no other reason - they would because of the critical drubbing it's received.

So much of Legacy is right on the money, I feel like with a better script a sequel could blow people away in every respect.

BigbadMCP Wrote: 8. Are you seriously saying that you think the original movie's costumes are superior? The lycra leotards, the kludgy bicycle helmets, the repurposed football pads or whatever they were? I love the original Tron, but even by 1982 standards those costumes were a little goofy. TL's costumes were supercool.

Indeed, I am serious about that. You see, even though we know what was used to make up the older costumes, the fact is that the older costumes were more alive, even with 30 year old tech.

With the old Tron costumes you could see the circuits moving and fading like a lifeline and like how you would expect circuits to move. It was mesmarizing at the time. And the first time we saw Sark get upset and all of his circuits intensely lit up at once, well that was a real Tron moment. And when programs were derezzed in the original Tron, all their circuits lit up then as well.

And when RAM was dying, his costume\circuits started to fade, just as his lifeline was fading. It was pure genius.

In Tron Legacy, we don't get that nice 30 year old effect at all. Instead we get what looks like nothing more than lit up motorcycle racing stripes.

So, that is why I think the costumes were a fail point in Tron Legacy.

And then there was that one flashback scene with Tron\Flynn that looked like they were wearing leather jackets with a little lit up stripe, I mean, for a minute, I thought I was watching the movie GREASE, and that's no lie.

flotilla Wrote: Euphemizm Wrote:Well, I work at DD. You are right, its not the same method at all. What is of note is that the video of the actors face is used to drive it more so then the motion capture. Hey Euphemizm. I took a 2 year break from the Tron Sector as to avoid Tron Legacy spoilers and I can't remember, but wasn't it DD that released the original concept trailer for Tron Legacy? If so, do you know if the original Tron Legacy concept trailer is available in a resolution higher than 1920x800? I was curious because with multi-monitor displays you have a much higher resolution to work with and 1920x800 becomes stretched like crazy on a multi-display system.

Do you mean 1920x1080?

I think it was made at 1920x1080 which is full HD. Resolutions above that are film resolutions. Usually film is like 2400xXXXX depending on the format like cineon etc.

flotilla Wrote: Euphemizm Wrote: Do you mean 1920x1080? I think it was made at 1920x1080 which is full HD. Resolutions above that are film resolutions. Usually film is like 2400xXXXX depending on the format like cineon etc. Most trailers are 1920x1080 but the Tron Legacy Concept trailer (vfx) was only 1920x800 for some reason, but even that resolution is stretched too much for 5760x1080 display arrays.

No, it's incorrect to say "most trailers" because the resolution of the high-quality version in the modern versions of Quicktime are based on which aspect ratio the video was shot & edited in. In this case, 2.35:1 Anamorphic, which would give you a True High Def 1080p resolution of 1920x800 (accounting for overscan). 1.78:1 is Standard Widescreen 16x9, and its True High Def 1080p resolution is 1920x1080.

I'll look at the project files tomorrow.

Not that I have authority to do anything, as far as putting out higher res versions go, because that is owned by Disney, but I can check on the original render resolutions for you and report what they were.

Euphemizm Wrote:I'll look at the project files tomorrow. Not that I have authority to do anything, as far as putting out higher res versions go, because that is owned by Disney, but I can check on the original render resolutions for you and report what they were.

Do you have an estimate of how much footage was left out of the final cut of the movie and could it possibly end up in a director's cut?

I have loved TRON since the first time I saw it back in 1982.

TRON connected with me on a subconscious level; I 'got it ' right off the bat, and so did most of my friends. There was no rationalizing to try to convince ourselves and each other that it was awesome, it simply was.

I went into TRON:Legacy knowing that the bloom was off the rose in terms of the idea of entering the digital world, but that was also the case when I played TRON 2.0, the original 'sequel' to TRON. The difference between the two sequels is that - in my opinion - TRON 2.0 managed to not only recapture the wonder and excitement of TRON but also added to it and made it its own, while TRON:Legacy just didn't, and that's where it most fell flat.

Sure, TRON has its problems, but it stands up in spite of them, and maybe in some part because of them. To pick it apart and point out those problems, and in essence belittle it, in an attempt to prop up a sequel that never overcomes its own issues to capture the imagination and entertain is disingenuous.

lawmune Wrote:I agree with many of the people on this thread who sort of liked, but didn't love T:L. I'd love to know what you guys think of a review I posted on my blog: http://www.lainspotting.com/2010/12/my-thoughts-on-tron-tron-legacy-and.html

Very well thought-out review, and I think it basically sums up my feelings of disappointment regarding T:L.