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flotilla Wrote:http://io9.com/5714411/tron-legacy-is-a-colossal-failure-of-movie+making

Then the users of Tron Sector should mass email that reviewer on HIS flaws of criticism. Or else he'll earn the wrath of Clu!

In other words, the best way to go see this movie is with NO expectations. That way, any disappointments won't be as much as if you were expecting this and that. For example, I don't expect to see Bit or Byte in this movie, but would be pleasantly surprised if I did. (Just being facetious)

Haven't seen the movie as yet, trying to see it this Sunday, I'll throw in my 2 cents when I get a chance. Seems to me this film is just striking different people in different ways.

8. Are you seriously saying that you think the original movie's costumes are superior? The lycra leotards, the kludgy bicycle helmets, the repurposed football pads or whatever they were? I love the original Tron, but even by 1982 standards those costumes were a little goofy. TL's costumes were supercool.

Nitpick:

Hockey helmets, hockey helmets! Not bicycle helmets!

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flotilla Wrote:http://io9.com/5714411/tron-legacy-is-a-colossal-failure-of-movie+making

I kind of stopped reading after the part where he said Avatar was a near perfect movie. Man it was just Dances with Wolves using giant blue people for the indians. I had absolutely no urge to see it twice. I just don't understand what the hype was over it.

The only near perfect film I can think of is It's a Wonderful Life, so there.

flotilla Wrote: As an absolute fan of the original Tron (viewed over 300 times), listed below are a couple FAIL points that I observed in Tron Legacy during a midnight screening of the film: 1. Garrett Hedlund's acting ability 2. Minimum use of the Tron character in the movie. 3. Horrible redo's of the origiinal films one-liners 4. Flying Top Gun-like space ship fighter vehicles 5. Clu's Face (holy horrible cgi) 6. The Plot 7. Too many boring scenes (way too many) 8. Costumes (compared to original) 9. Transistion from Real World to the grid (way too short) 10. The character of Zues I'm sure there are many more but those are the initial 10 that bothered me the most.

I disagree with all of these except for 5 (to an extent) and 9. I really wish they had done more work on the digitizing sequence, but I think it's fine the way it is, as long as it's not like that in (hopefully) the next movie. As for number 5, Clu's face looked user-awful during the flashback sequences and the final scene where he's pulled away from the portal, but other than those, it looked perfectly fine to me.

Overmind Wrote:SPOILER... Mouse Over To Read: If CLU 2.0 had managed to transport his army through the portal and had to be fought down with regular police or national guard forces. ..face palm.

Is it bad if I actually wanted to see that happen?

1. Garrett Hedlund's acting ability - It's TRON Legacy, not an RSC production. I thought he was fine in the film. He emoted at the right places and got on with the action scenes when they came.

2. Minimum use of the Tron character in the movie - It's called TRON legacy, not TRON 2.0

3. Horrible redo's of the origiinal films one-liners - had no problem with those at all. Nicely linked the two films.

4. Flying Top Gun-like space ship fighter vehicles
"Top Gun"? It didn't remind me of that 1986 movie at all.

5. Clu's Face (holy horrible cgi)
I'd agree with reference to the Real World scenes but not on The Grid.

6. The Plot - To much reliance on expanded media such as the game and graphic novel but I've seen many more lightweight movies and this wasn't one of them.

7. Too many boring scenes (way too many) - like what?

8. Costumes (compared to original) - don't be soft.

9. Transistion from Real World to the grid (way too short) - stuck in 1982 at all?

10. The character of Zues - Zeus was a welcome quirky character that was multi-layered. I liked the actor's performance.

1. Garrett Hedlund's acting ability

Disagree: I think he did a pretty good job.

2. Minimum use of the Tron character in the movie.

Agree! Though I didn't expect him to be in it at all in the beginning. My guess is that there would have been no way they could have done all the CGI required in time, They were working on Bridges all the way till release and still wanted to do more work on him but at some point its 'pencils down' and you've got to go with what you have.

3. Horrible redo's of the origiinal films one-liners

Partially Agree: Some were good, some were stretched. Big door I liked, Finish the game didn't seem appropriate considering they were not playing a game at the time. Also the 'End of line' felt wrong when CLU said it during the Zuse scene.

4. Flying Top Gun-like space ship fighter vehicles

Disagree: I liked the light jets, but my only problem is that the increased maneuverability and higher numbers would have destroyed the bigger ship easily. I would have just flow above it then angled down and opened fired cutting the big ship in half. I have to put that with scenes where bad guys with machine guns fire a bajillion bullets and can't hit the good guy who has taken cover behind a pile of shaving cream.

5. Clu's Face (holy horrible cgi)

Agree: A couple of good shots but scenes like where Flynn creates CLU were just awful.

6. The Plot

Partially Agree: I was lost with the whole ISOmorphs, and the 'importance' of quorra was dimished (since she was the last iso) was diminished because of it.

7. Too many boring scenes (way too many)

Disagree: Though I felt the 'dinner' scene was too 'unemotional' given how long its been since SAM saw his dad.


8. Costumes (compared to original)

Partially Agree: Once I saw the movie I really liked the new costumes, however I would have enjoyed seeing the original style as well. Would have been nice to have had FLYNN remove his cloak to reveal his old style uniform.


9. Transistion from Real World to the grid (way too short)

ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!!! I was really looking forward to seeing how they would handle this and they copped out. That is a big thing in the original and is in urban lore the same way people will say 'End of Line'. I loved the idea of a Mirror Flynn.

10. The character of Zues

Partially Agree: I got the feeling of the marovingeon (sp?) from Matrix mixed with some madness. They made him play a bit to cowardly when with CLU and they overdid the dancing during the fighting. They also didn't reveal his nature very well as it wasn't very clear on why he turned on Sam. I thought he was an ISO as well but I never was sure.

Yeah, the i09 review means nothing. Just like the reviewers of the 82 Tron mean nothing.

I respect your feelings on Tron Legacy Flotilla and to be honest when I read the script about two years ago I wanted to strangle the Lost writers for missed potential. So initially I kind of felt the same way you do now.

Yet, for some reason, my vision of what it was all going to feel like when it was edited together was off. I ended up liking it much better then I thought I would. In the end I had giggles, laughs, and thrills watching the final product. Even though I had seen all the clips unedited for months.

Truth of the matter is this.... though many here agree with you about the potential lost.... the movie is actually better then people think. I think that people are passing Tron off as some kind of Phantom Menace, Clash of the Titans, Percy Jackson, Star Trek, Speed Racer, Mummy 3, Transformers2 kind of film when it far surpasses all those. Its not just a CGI demo even though reviewers are saying so in mass. It actually has a nice flow and story.

Bottom line....

You are in Tron Sector. You are in cult of Tron land. Trying to convince people here that the movie was horrible when in fact it was just fine (not great, but alot of fun) shows you don't know much about why we like the original either. Its also not great as a film in general but.... like many cult films... Evil Dead, Flash Gordon, Bad Taste, Dark Star, Tron and Tron Legacy are cult films with a solid following. I get brow beat for liking Flash Gordon all the time but.. if you think its bad because its cheeky then you didn't understand the intention of the creators was to make it cheeky. Same is said for Galaxy Quest.

I think its great that people don't like Tron or Tron:L but trying to convince me I should dislike it is utterly pointless as it would be to convince you that you like it. I thought the dinner scene was great. I loved how Quorra has no idea what proper etiquette is and Flynn gives her the serious glance when she cracks up.

Still its a C+, B- movie getting an F by the general Top Critics. Yet, I read those same reviewers opinions on movies like Sam Rockwell's Moon (Pure Genius) and they slammed it as boring. This just proves how useless their reviews are. That they need movies like Schindlers list or Godfather 2 to even begin to enjoy something. Fine by me I like those too on certain days.... but don't pretend to understand the pulse of what makes internet or digital culture hip. They, like the old reviewers of 82 Tron are completely irrelevant. Only did some of these reviewers in retrospect come back and say... "oh I didn't get it, sorry, I get it now... I am cool and nerdy and stuff too". Right, get back to your Lawrence of Arabia and Last Emperor and act all intellectual and stuff. I am busy over here having fun watching the dude knock on the sky.

It reminds me of people trying to convince me Avatar was the greatest movie ever or the lamest movie ever. I thought the plot could have been more dynamic if we had a harder time trying to side with the humans or the Navi. Instead we get hollow easy, left wing cookie cut outs of Mr Corporate guy and military thugs that just pretentiously says "No seriously these are the bad guys,,,, don't forget to hate them".

Yet, even though I was beat over the head with these old hippie arguments for two hours I still love to watch Avatar. There is enough there to keep it fun even with the cliche political messages.

What I love about tron is it doesn't really try to brow beat you over the head with politics. It just gives you philosophical questions and puts the characters in an existential examination of what happens when a human has godlike creative powers over a world. The Artist left with no big corporation to blame for his problems. Instead, he is given free reign and ends up getting himself into trouble with his own imagination. Wickedly original.

Flynn shows fear right off... the reuniting scene is cut short as Flynn has to consider the words "I got your page"... he knows CLU sent it. He looks out at the grid in fear knowing decisions must be made but is reluctant.

He doesn't want his son trapped in there for another 1000 years with him. He doesn't want his son to pay for his mistakes. Most of all he knows how "dogged and relentless" he was at 35 and knows CLU is even more so. Sam hasn't been trapped in there for 1000 years and just wants to go, not knowing how dangerous things can get in the grid.

Sam knows one thing.... he wants his dad back and is blind to anything but that goal.

Quorra, like a strange orphan child did not have a life growing up. She is more of an alien emulating human behavior. Her strange behavior is perfect. If she acted normal there would be no feel for the ISO as a new form. Unimaginably wise... yet.. profoundly naive.

Sure, we could have been given more in regards to ISOs for sure. I also agree that we shouldn't have to read ARG to understand that. These are the movies real flaws for sure, I don't think anyone here disagrees with you on those points but.... this movie is multitudes better then the list of movies I mentioned above. Its not just a CG demo reel. It has some soul. but if it didn't hit certain notes for you then no one can change that. I started in the same place as you but in the beginning of production. Now, finally seeing the full length movie I realized it was much better then I expected.

I think the strange love you see for T:L is this. Tron fans, myself included, have watched the original TRON for years with all its little pacing issues and its imperfections intact. We found the heart and soul of that movie when others were just bored with it. The same is true for T:L. It is better then the critics are saying overall. It just is. Like the first one... its not perfect. Yet, when I compare TRON to T:L I really like T:L a little better in both look and story. My co-worker agreed with you. He thought T:L was too clean and that the circuitry look of the old film fit better. I like both equally and really like the clean look of T:L covered in dust and stain at times.

Anyways, thats my 3 cents. Hope you understand that coming to Tron Sector and trying to convince everyone that T:L is a bad movie is like trying to convince people they don't need air. You are in the cult land of Tron Fandom. Try going to the NY Yankees site and saying how great the Boston Red Sox are. You may be right in bosox land (and I would agree with you) but, you are in Tron land.

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