Gee, I wonder what would happen if someone dared to like both for their own merits...

It's actually one of the things that turns me off from fellow Star Wars fans, that ridiculous group-think statement that "new trilogy sucks, old trilogy is divine". I grew up on the new trilogy, and I enjoyed them. Still enjoy them. Of course, when I saw the old trilogy, I loved them, too. "The Empire Strikes Back" is probably one of the greatest films I've ever seen.

In regards to Tron, after that first test video came out, you wouldn't believe all the old Tron fans coming down from their swoon at the good news and immediately start suggesting, "Hey, where's the complex circuitry? Rain in the computer? No Cindy Morgan?" It was innocent, but it holds the scary seeds of division, especially now that we have so much more footage to go by. Me; I am just stoked to see such a classic film revived in the form of a big-budget sequel in this day and age. I think Tron Legacy looks cool, and it will most likely become a beloved film of mine. But I won't be comparing it against the original Tron; it will have to hold it's own merits high.

Reading Betrayal has given me absolute faith that Legacy will not fall into any "shallow" tropes you seem to assign to modern action-cinema. Condemning (or praising) a film based on its trailer is hardly sound judgement, to my way of thinking. Trailers have one purpose: to sell the picture. Sell it to those who buy everything else as well.

They are not meant as an encapsulation of dramatic content or any reflection of the narrative qualities of the movie itself.

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Matrix was more a rip off of the Doctor Who story 'The Deadly Assassin' than of Tron.

Imbroglio Wrote:I hope this isn't the case but I think this is the direction the movie took when Liseberger was essentially shoved off to the side. What it all comes down to is the safest route to maximizing the bottom line for Disney. The demographics they are marketing this movie to is probably 18-24 year old males. Simplify the story line- Check. Lots of flashy special effects- Check. Rave music band with name recognition- Check. Compare this to the original Tron storyline. The main plot of corporate greed and corruption. Technology advancing so far as to creating intelligent life forms. An underlying religious theme questioning the existance of supreme beings (users). I don't think many kids nowdays would be able to comprehend most of that.

How does being an active participant, interview subject, producer and advisor equate to "being shoved aside?" Also, how is the story line simplified? Do you know the story line? Flashy special effects? You don't think the original Tron was built largely on flashy (for the time) special effects?

Also, although I think it's hard to compare something before you actually see it.... the original Tron barely had any story at all! I love it dearly, but in the story department it barely has a plot that's more involved than your average cartoon. It's got some great performances, interesting effects and a great look, true. And, yes, there are some interesting shadings and notions here and there and some great ideas running in the background... but it's not like they are mined in depth. It's basically an action-adventure yarn. Which I actually like about it. It flirts with some interesting ideas but it's not ABOUT those. At it's heart it's core it's an action-adventure run around with all that implies. And there's nothing wrong with that! Holding it up as some paragon of storytelling seems totally bizarre to me. It's got terrible pace issues and a half-hearted love triangle. I'm saying this as a HUGE FAN.

From the glimpses of Tron Legacy, I'd say there's going to be more "depth" than Tron was able to muster in the father/son storyline. The part I'm worried about most is if it's too humorless (part of what makes the original great is the sense of humor and fun it has) and if the character drama is a bit limp. I think it's got the exciting action sequence part in the bag... it'll just be interesting to see if you actually come to care about the characters or not.

I've been listening to th leaked tracks from the soundtrack/score's website, and what's up on the official Disney TL website repeatedly, and it all sounds great to me.

Flynn lives...

Jerrytron Wrote:Here is my take on the clu/young jeff animation. Have you watched Jef talk latley....He has developed some strange mouth formations when talking and the cgi is mirroring it in my opinion. I though the CGI was jarring the first time we saw young bridges in Sam's room, But then I watched the bridges interviews form comicon 2009 and he matched the cgi! Due to the way they do the facial capture on RL Jeff his actual mannerisms are going to come through and we will see some of RL jeff in Young cgi Jeff. So please guys keep this in mind when picking apart the CGI jeff.

Jerrytron, I noticed that a while back as well! I'm glad somebody else picked up on that! I think I must have watched those same interviews and you're right, the CGI mimics Jeff's real-life mouth movements of today. I remember reading an article or seeing an interview about how he wore some sort of headset with several different cameras filming his facial movements. I think Olivia Wilde referred to it in one of her interviews as the "Teletubby Head" or something like that! LOL! I'm not sure if they used markers on his face as reference points, but that would also contribute to the strange mouth formations as well. I still think it's amazing that they can actually do all of this. I can't wait to see some behind the scenes footage of how they accomplished it all and the technology behind it.

You could own the giclee print for $56 here: http://shop.littlewhitelies.co.uk/product/tron-legacy-16-x-20-print. I saw it mentioned in the first story on http://www.gizmodo.com/.

PS: Sorry, I didn't mean for it to look like I made it, if it came across that way. Just realized my post might have been misinterpreted as such. I was just showing off the awesome print I saw on Gizmodo.

And I see this on the LWLies site: "TRON: Legacy Issue Out Now" http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/blog/tron-legacy-issue-out-now-12865. I'm not sure what Little White Lies is, to be honest. I think I now vaguely remember someone posting something about LWLies a few days ago.

IMO, the music tracks I've heard so far are excellent, layering ambient rythms with great bass beats, drums and even a full orchestra, little hints of Wendy Carlos and hints of Vangelis's music for "Blade Runner" ring through many of the tracks I've heard.

These brilliant peices of ambient electronica mixed with classical music accents,
digitally mixed taiko-like drum beats and digital bit-crush all layered and interwoven together in an musical tapestry have been excellent multilayered sweetness to my ears.

With each track I can picture looming Recognizers, the sprawling cyberscape of
The Grid, and and when I listen I can also easily picture in my mind Programs racing their Light Cycles and clashing their discs in combat, and Siren Programs emerging from white coffin-like "sleep mode units" to suit up Sam in his armor and suit.

When I listen to each track it just transports my mind to that realm in the same way the music of the original Tron did. They way the music sync up with each scene that I've seen at SD CC TL panel, the sneak peek at ElecTRONica, and the scenes show at Tron Night have IMO been nothing short of amazing. So far this is the one of the best scores I've heard since Lord of the Rings films and the score for the original "Batman" by Tim Burton. (sans the super cheesy Prince song...)
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Pilgrim1099 Wrote:Speaking of Daft Punk, I'm excited for the next album for TL next month and the Wii game as well . However, I'm a bit surprised they didn't adapt their popular song " Technologic " to the movie. It really does fit the theme of programs quite well. Look up on YouTube to find that infamous video with the creepy robot doll. Its a classic.

Technologic is a great song but it would be hard to put it in TL. It would jar the audience out of the mood Joe Kosinski is trying to create I think. Its the type of thing that could be a barely heard background song or only during the credits. What I would like to see would be a redone video that was tron themed instead of the creapy naked chucky doll they used for it

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