xalener Wrote:The dust itself is pretty digital looking. I mean it looks like the smoke from little big planet. That fits in with the theme of the film pretty well. The particle effect itself isn't really that complex. Probably on purpose.

Really? Maybe I was too busy looking at everything else, but it still looked pretty generic to me, and that was on IMAX3D.

CaptainCR Wrote:i think people are over analyzing things a bit....sure there maybe some questionable things right now but whose to say all of it won't make sense by the time the film comes out? after all they said all the different mediums in which the story is cannon were all worked on closely together, the comic, the game, and the movie. I'm sure there aren't going t be any MAJOR plot holes if any. and as much fait as Disney is putting into this film, as much money and marketing they are putting into it it, you really think it's gonna be bad?

I think what makes me nervous about it is, have we been duped into thinking we're getting a sci-fi film when it really isn't? Let's face it, sci-fi doesn't even really exist anymore except in very rare cases, like the new Dr. Who. Sci-fi has been watered down in recent years to become so simplistic that any TV viewer can hop in for a ride without using more than two brain cells. So it's hard to imagine that Disney would dare risk dulling anything in this film with techno-babble about the server's evolution and the like. They just have way too much at stake to risk alienating a large percentage of the audience.

1) TRON was is sci-fi/fantasy it never was meant to be "hard science fiction" with concrete "plausible" scienc-y techno-babble explainations for everything. TRON is like a tale from Greek mythology, it's not going to explain every god, area, there abilities in exacting absolute scientific detail on how everything works etc etc... it just "is". No need to over-think it IMO.

2) Consider this:
The computer system is running a different OS, and Kevin Flynn wrote the all new code (incorperated his own form of A.I. and "genetic algorythms") ,
and Kevin Flynn himself incorperated those into *his* new vision into the overall visual design of everything in The Grid, thus it's going to be **intrisically** a bit different and the visual look will be somewhat differet than the cyberspace realm in the old Encom system.
That original cyberspace realm within the Encom 511, was more reflective of MCP's influence over the system. It just used Flynn's game programs,lot's of other stolen programs and other stolen data to form his little cyberspace world, it's look reflected that.

3) 1 real world year equals 1000 cyberspace years. Do our clothes and vehicles look the same as they did 1000 years ago, 20,000? Do our buildings? Yes and No.
Although we still have and use robes, boots, leather shoes, sandals, and shirts and slacks that are not that much different than what was worn 1 - 4 thousand years ago in many developed civilizations like in Greece or Rome.
We aren't going around wearing bio-morphic gell units or holographic screens to cover ourselfves instead of cloths, and we aren't all driving hover vehicles that look like some amorphious abstract shape powered by our own body heat and brain waves these days....

Large historical structures and buildings many thousands of years old still stand. Basic architecture is not much different in many forms, just the materials used has improved.
Just some ansillary design changes as technology and as society develops.
Skyscrapper design isn't that different that from 100 years ago. Cars still have 4 weels and run on gas, and only recently in the last 10 yrs are there now vehciles with alternative tech using other forms of fuel.

In The Grid, there have been a few gradual and notable changes over time, just not massively "way out there" visual changes. IMO there didn't need to be.
This is part and parcel of the partially metaphorical "evolution" being refered to.

Also Flynn used new algorythms that he wrote to evolve the intrinsic nature of The Grid/that isolated cyberspace world *itself*. (from a visual design stand point, the artists extraplolated and streamlined the designs of Tron using Syd Mead's original, early concept art as a basis). This lead to strange things to arise such as the manifestation/birth of the Isos.... which I am pretty sure is being considered canon.

4) Tron: Evolution *possibly* deals with what happened when Flynn attempted to connect his system to Encom's mainframe in 1989, or the early Internet itself (it was 1989) most likely a virus snuck in, it was affected by The Grid and was able to rapidly evolve becoming Abraxas, then at some point the connection to the internet/or Encom was severed. "Black hat" Hackers back then like to send out all kinds of nasty things they wrote back in the day to see if they could mess with computer servers... So I could see a random virus infiltrating one of Encom's computers and also getting into Flynn's system if/when he went to connect his system to the net or to Encom's computer network. T:E will probably go into what happened to some degree.

Now when I look at this picture, I see TRON, while some things are a bit different visually, it's still says **Tron** to me...
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Tron Fanatic Wrote:... I think what makes me nervous about it is, have we been duped into thinking we're getting a sci-fi film when it really isn't? Let's face it, sci-fi doesn't even really exist anymore except in very rare cases, like the new Dr. Who. Sci-fi has been watered down in recent years to become so simplistic that any TV viewer can hop in for a ride without using more than two brain cells. So it's hard to imagine that Disney would dare risk dulling anything in this film with techno-babble about the server's evolution and the like. They just have way too much at stake to risk alienating a large percentage of the audience.

Tron pseudo-Fanatic,

Talking about sci-fi, lemme tell you that the new Dr. Who SUCKS. Big time. The only reason why Dr. Who is the longest-running science fiction television show in the world IS PRECISELY BECAUSE OF IT'S SOFT SCI-FI ELEMENTS. But it seems you wouldn't know between hard and soft sci-fi, right?

The original TRON was at the time sci-fi at its best, even for the hardcore fans, even so that most people didn't get it and, in part, THAT sure spelled certain doom for the movie at the box-office, let alone for the fan base... TRON Legacy expands on that theme with other soft sci-fi elements (like the so called "evolution inside the system" that's easily explained with the fact that Flynn decided coding it so you could even experience "dirt and dust") because Disney's being cautious this time to show it in a more "accesible and appropiate" way to the GENERAL audience...

You want scientific rigor in your daily dose of sci-fi? Quit anything TRON-related asap and go grab a hardcopy of Schild's Ladder, then join one of those groups of readers that try to find inaccuracies in the novel and then, maybe then, you'll be happy...

Tron Fanatic Wrote:Ohoooo... I do believe I just felt a little fire... or would that be corruption?

If I were a Z-Lot, I'd tell you to feel the corruption.

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Tron Fanatic Wrote: TRON.dll Wrote: Tron Fanatic Wrote:Ohoooo... I do believe I just felt a little fire... or would that be corruption? If I were a Z-Lot, I'd tell you to feel the corruption. Is it still okay to make Tron 2.0 jokes? I hope so. And relevant to this topic, (saying nothing about how badarse Legacy may end up being) I think 2.0 will remain my favorite of the new media, as far as remaining true to the original film is concerned. They seemed to be spot-on, able to update the look of the film without straying too far from it.

True, but at least in Legacy the reasoning behind the world looking different is explained as a storyline element. I'm guessing that one of the planned sequels will show an updated Encom system.

Other than V-RAM saying "new Doctor Who sucks", I agree with some of his points. Maybe, please refrain from saying Doctor Who "sucks"... That's really a harsh thing to say man. That's just like your opinion but... dang.. "sucks?" ...wow...

jeez, IMO current Doctor Who (which is pretty damn good IMO) I rather watch than 95% of what is aired on television/cable nowadays. Like The Hills, Jersey Shore, or any number of awful Reality shows...

Tron was never meant to be "hard sci-fi", neither is any series or season of Doctor Who...

Tron Unit Wrote:Interesting idea except that programs render themselves to look identical to their Users even though they have never actually seen their Users before they still take on their physical characteristics. How else would Flynn have recognized Lora and Alan?

I'd attribute that one to the 6th sense.

Gibbs tells Dillinger, "Our spirit lives in every program we design." This is clearly meant to be more than just his own personal beliefs, exemplified by what Flynn actually finds in the digital world. It also fits in with the other spiritual overtones in the film, and in this case it's, "We are created in God's image."

So Flynn would be able to sort of feel the spirit of his friends in their programs, and would therefore interpret the information accordingly.

Tron Unit Wrote:But you do understand that everything is just binary code, like the Matrix. Flynn's consciousness is just interpreting that code the way that your browser is interpreting and rendering html code in an interface that you can interact with. User's metaphorical "spirit" if you will is imprinted as metadata written in that code.

Yes, but the brain is much more dynamic than a browser, which is identical on each computer it runs on. Each brain develops differently, is exposed to different stimuli during life, and therefore responds to situations differently, and I don't just mean reactively. It's the same reason inkblots or clouds look like different things to different people. The Matrix is much easier to decipher, because there is an actual I/O device designed for the task. The Matrix system was created specifically as a dreamworld for humans to run around in. The Machines don't just send Matrix code directly into the human brain, they translate it into human electrical impulses to trick the brain into thinking its receiving the data from the 5 senses.

In a backwards fashion, the debate about the Machines having no taste buds, therefore having to take a guess at how to code the flavor of chicken, is very similar to the dilemma that humans would have in the Tron world. It's data that the human mind was never meant to be exposed to.

...And we won't want to watch the movie, as it's called Tron: In New York!

We won't know if it's the real world New York, or the computer world New York. Which is the main reason why we won't want to watch it; it'll look like every other movie.

The Matrix is a digital simulation of the late "real world" in the 1990's, "The System" (Tron 1982) and "The Grid" (T:B ~ TL ) is it's own microcosmic cyberspace dimension, while both are basicaly code, Tron's world is intrinsically somewhat different the "The Matrix".

Sort of how a while tomatos and oranges are both basically fruits, they have enough intrinsic differences that they're are a bit different from each other (such as how they taste to us, the texture of the skin of orange as compared to tomatoes, etc...)