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Posts: 416 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 5:12 AM
Histrion Wrote:
I work in the education field, and believe me, I've got horror stories. However, I don't think that's the issue here. The reality is: if you do a story like this about a real event or real person, you get wrapped up not just in politics, but in accusations of misrepresentation or lying outright. (Naturally - because real people contain multitides that don't translate well to screen.) Whatever you say in your film about the Canadian government or the natives, people on one side or the other or both will say, "You misportrayed so-and-so to bend the film to your political views."
Fictionalize it, and you avoid that problem. You still get politically labeled, but you don't get called a liar... so much. |
I see where you are coming from, but in the end the only people that would appreciate social commentaries are the hardcore fans who dissect the movie piece by piece.
If a screenwriter starts putting in political analogies, no matter how fictionalized, then he risks "offending" some hypersensitive studio bigwig.
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Posts: 137 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 5:54 AM
See, in my experience, it's usually the people that know the *least* about film that are the most interested in political content. (*hack cough* AFA.)
Doesn't mean their comments have any value, but then neither does McDonald's food, and people still eat it up.
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Posts: 0 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 12:23 PM
I'm sure it will not be long before George Lucas has the whole Star Wars Saga redone in the 3-D format. I'm honestly surprised that we haven't heard something allready in light of the fact that Avatar garnered so much cash in this economy!where to buy abortion pill abortion types buy abortion pill online
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Posts: 215 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 12:26 PM
Avatar was a terrible piece of trite that tried to shove higher ticket prices down everyone's throat. I really hope you guys didn't buy into his snake-oil.
TRON is different however, since it actually has a decent storyline from what I've read, and will actually make use of the 3-d rather than it being there to "IMMERSE YOU IN TEH UNIVERSE LOLOL ^_^".
Legacy deserves to garner the cash that Avatar didn't deserve.
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Posts: 137 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 2:35 PM
TRON is different however, since it actually has a decent storyline from what I've read, and will actually make use of the 3-d rather than it being there to "IMMERSE YOU IN TEH UNIVERSE LOLOL ^_^". |
Legacy will be no different in that regard - the only point of 3D is as an attempt to increase audience immersion. Even stupid "jump out at you" tricks are, really, an attempt to do the same.
Seriously, what else could the film do with the 3D? Any acknowledgement within the narrative of the difference between 2D and 3D film would just be breaking the fourth wall. It'd be like if Dorothy had said, "Wow, all my life I've been seeing in black and white, but now that I'm in Oz, everything's in color for the very first time! Oh look, Toto's winking at the audience! Isn't that cute?" Seems to me that the best the film could do would have Sam (or Kevin) make some offhand comment about how the computer world "feels more real than the real world, in some way." That doesn't constitute the 3D presentation being part of the story. (It had better not, for the sake of all the 2D theatres out there that will also be showing Legacy.)
The studios are making films in 3D for four simple reasons:
1. They don't want to be left behind when *other* studios jump on the bandwagon.
2. They want to sell the moviegoer a more intense experience.
3. They can justify charging higher ticket prices.
4. 3D films are harder to pirate. (I suspect that's the big one.)
Regarding Cameron's Avatar: I liked it. I didn't find it particularly deep, nor was the storyline groundbreaking (Pocahontas Dances with Wolves in Fengully), but it was well made and enjoyable. Also, unlike the last film I'd seen in IMAX 3D, which was Beowulf, this time I didn't get a splitting headache. Cameron's technicians found a much better way to work the 3D - I suspect it was something in the polarization technique, because I noticed that when I flopped my head to the side, the picture didn't get all wonky like with other 3D films I'd seen.
For the most part, I agree with Roger Ebert, in that I don't think 3D adds much to the moviegoing experience. Avatar came as close to being the exception to that as any film I've seen. I didn't bother watching Toy Story 3 in 3D, because I knew I'd enjoy it better in 2D.
I will probably see Legacy in 3D, though, just because... well... I just will, okay?
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Posts: 215 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 2:46 PM
I can understand seeing Legacy in 3D, it's been 28 years since we've seen the tron world damnit! And I'll have to see it in 3-d, If I want to see it in Imax :/
But who knows, I know 42 entertainment ended up having a free imax screening of the dark knight at the end of their campaign (which I attended), maybe we'll see Legacy too!
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Posts: 4,349 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 2:47 PM
Histrion Wrote:I didn't bother watching Toy Story 3 in 3D, because I knew I'd enjoy it better in 2D. |
Toy Story 3's 3D was like Avatar's 3D. Mostly depth perception. Actually, that's all it was for, just depth perception and nothing else. I think it really helped to make it look more realistic and convincing.
I will probably see Legacy in 3D, though, just because... well... I just will, okay?
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Posts: 1,468 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Monday, July, 12, 2010 8:34 PM
RustyMuffler Wrote:Re-releasing movies to theaters is nothing new. Used to happen all the times in the 70's & 80's.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I'd much rather have a flick re-released to theaters than have it hit the theater for its initial release, then be out on BluRay and then on TV within six months. That flash in the pan, take the money and run mentality by the studios has effectively killed the theatrical experience to the point where they've now had to resort to using 3D and IMAX to get everyone's asses back in the seats. (And the 3D gimmick and its attached inflated ticket price is already wearing thin on a lot of movie goers tempers.) Those of us who grew up in the 70's & 80's remember the pain of having to sometimes wait years for a theatrical release to hit cable. Then even when the video boom happened it would be months, and sometimes still years, before our favorite flicks came out for rental or purchase. Now with DVD and BluRay, a flick is out at Best Buy sometimes not THREE MONTHS after it hits theaters. And I'm not talking three months after it leaves the second run buck houses. I'm talking three months after it's OPENING DAY IN THEATERS. Blows my mind.
Say whatever you want about the quality of Avatar as a film, it did get a lot of folks out to the theater. I have no problem what so ever with it being re-released. At least they're giving audiences a reason to go back and see it again with the new footage. Had Lucas included eight minutes of additional footage into the original Star Wars on any of its 4-5 re-releases back in the 70's & 80's (no, I'm not talking about the Special Editions...*cringe*), as a 7-10 year old kid, I would have lost my friggin' mind! |
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Posts: 234 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Thursday, July, 22, 2010 10:49 PM
Avatar was a visual feast with a terrible script, and it made a billion dollars. TRON Legacy looks to be a visual feast, and if the script is good... No, I don't dare to hope that TRON Legacy will make more the Avatar, but I do think TRON Legacy has a tremendous opportunity to "own" the Holiday season in a way the original was unable to "own" the summer of 1982. Barring some unforseen project, there isn't anything in the pipe for Christmas that promises as much eye candy as TRON Legacy. Also, the Disney affiliation is MAJOR because parents will be willing to take kids to this movie in ways they might not otherwise have been willing, without the Disney label. I am scared to predict anything, but I think the odds are that TRON Legacy could blow the doors off Christmas 2010.
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Posts: 71 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Thursday, August, 05, 2010 3:45 AM
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Posts: 606 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Thursday, August, 05, 2010 6:50 AM
Let me say this again. I think the reason they're re-releasing Avatar at this time of year is because they ARE scared of Tron: Legacy.
If they are re-releasing this to theaters, then it's telling.
They're afraid TRON: LEGACY is going to make people forget about Avatar. After all, TRON is the more well known product and famous than Avatar, and in which has been around for 28 years. It already has a rich history and is the first CGI film ever produced in 1982.
And keep in mind that the 3D cameras that Kozinski was using is far more advanced than what James Cameron used at the time.
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Posts: 278 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Thursday, August, 05, 2010 7:23 AM
AVATARs simple story should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Cameron stated in every interwiev that it is a simple dances with wolves story in space.
So storywise? Yes TRON will own.
What Im not looking forward to, are those kids on the seatrow behind me nagging about how TRON ripped of Matrix.
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Posts: 416 | Re: TRON LEGACY VS AVATAR on Thursday, August, 05, 2010 1:12 PM
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