Hansalfaone User
Posts: 14 | Support for Cindy Morgan on Saturday, August, 29, 2009 5:18 AM
ALCON:
I have been in touch with someone who knows Cindy personally. The movie, from what he understands, is done being filmed, and supposedely she's not in it (which is to be expected, given the events in the timeline).
However, if you support her being in it, let the Man know. Disney reads the threads at IMDB. Let them know what you think.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1104001/board/thread/144367351
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SweatyPyro User
Posts: 184 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Sunday, August, 30, 2009 9:10 AM
Interesting. I mean, there has to be merit to the fact that her actual, human character died. But if there were a way to throw in Yori or Ma3a into the movie with her support....I'd definitely go with that, because Lora is just as prominent as Alan and Flynn.
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Hansalfaone User
Posts: 14 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Sunday, August, 30, 2009 11:24 AM
My argument is that the Laura/Yuri character is the "glue" that holds the three of them together. She keeps them moving in the right direction throughout the movie. I think they will severely miss the boat if she is left out.
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Jademz User
Posts: 0 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Sunday, August, 30, 2009 12:40 PM
As far as the plot goes:
Is the only support of the "visible" death of Lora in the Tron 2.0 game? or is there something I'm missing? There was no body.
In the game there's alot to explore. We assume she doesn't exist in the computer somewhere, but anything is possible.
There's a part of a fanfic novel "The Tron 2.0 Contunuation" by David Kitson, that keeps Lora intact in within Ma3a's protected memory, it required entering into that place using equipment meant to keep a program safe while procedures to repair it were taking place.
In this story, Ma3a was explaining certain things to Jet that made him think of how similar she was to his mother. So he figured out that her "soul" is still in there, and the program "Alchemist" a medical program created for high risk surgery. was fully capable of letting him enter Ma3a's memory. Ma3a said it would be very dangerous, he did it anyway. What he found was his mother.
She didn't have the code necessary to come back, but through Alchemist it was possible.
That's just my two cents. I think the current plot will stinks if it's excluding Cindy's character.
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retrorandy User
Posts: 220 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 5:09 AM
This movie won't be the same or feel completely TRON like without the participation of Cindy Morgan.
Should be a way to bring her back as either Yori (which I'd like to see) or possibly Ma3a (although Ma3a isn't nearly as interesting a character as Yori).
If you're a true fan of the original TRON or even TRON 2.0 I can't see how you wouldn't want to have Cindy Morgan in TRON Legacy.
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Cyberwolven User
Posts: 667 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 2:09 PM
I agree. They need Cindy Morgan in the sequel. Tron isn't Tron without Yori.
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 2:23 PM
I can't share what I know in detail, and I don't know much about TL, but here are a couple of points to chew on:
1. TRON 2.0 the game storyline is not part of TRON Legacy, and I suspect it has been ignored as canon and is now a divergent timeline to the movies. (Never thought I would type a sentence like that in my lifetime! Geek!) In a way, both stories are using the mechanic of 'legacy'. Not sure if the film is also working the legacy code angle like the game, but there is that small connection. I don't know, but I am guessing we won't be seeing Mercury or Thorne show up, and I doubt FCON will be making an appearance either.
2. This film centers on Flynn and his son. Not Lora and her son, not Alan and his son (as in TRON 2.0 the game). Did you notice Flynn isn't in the game? Did you notice that the characters in the game are not featured in anything seen for the second film so far? This film isn't about that old trio, so Cindy's character is not as relevant to the film.
I understand the nostalgic need to see these old characters again, but the fact of the matter is that they are not necessary to this new film. To be honest, they didn't even need to use Flynn, but the fact that they did is pretty damn cool. Bridges carries a lot of weight on screen. Bruce has some, but mostly small screen and lightweight type roles, and Cindy hasn't really been a staple of any screens since 'Bring "Em Back Alive' in 1983. She isn't a 'must have' as much as many of us might have liked to have seen it happen. Hell, I was hoping they'd work in Dan Shor somehow...RE REZ RAM!
These people had to weigh nostalgia vs the film they wanted to make, and the nostalgia factor comes in the form of Jeff Bridges, and the rumored Bruce Boxleitner cameo.
I'll toss one more thing out there. I have read several scripts for TRON 2 through the years, and in all of the versions I can recall offhand, Lora wasn't a presence in those either. Even if TRON 2 had been made back in 1984, I suspect Cindy might not have been in it much, or maybe even at all. I gotta go dig those out and reread them again. Now you've got me curious.
So there, fire, meet gasoline...anyone want to toss more wood on it?
DaveTRON
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Posts: 456 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 2:54 PM
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Posts: 529 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 3:40 PM
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Jademz User
Posts: 0 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 4:41 PM
DaveTRON Wrote:
I understand the nostalgic need to see these old characters again, but the fact of the matter is that they are not necessary to this new film. |
I imagine you were say a WarGames fan.
David's (Matthew Broderick's) girlfriend (Ally Sheedy) into a future 20 years later role for a todays time, age, and civilization with a supercomputer every 2000 sq. miles, no it isn't necessary to have the original cast. Sure whatever. They were just highschool lovers, it would barely make sense to put her into the plot anyway. It's not like they made any sense to a gameplaying supercomputer in a movie after all.
Sure, his hot highschool girlfriend cleary isn't someone he's going to marry in the future right? it was only about every country on earth getting nuked by a kid playing games with a live missile defense system. No need for nostagia.
Just think of it this way. Their story should be fine, I'm not going to make any complaints..
But use the parallel I see here locally. You see a beautiful beach one day, there's a hurricane, the next day it's gone, and they backfill with this awful looking stuff. It looks like crap. My point? I have a sentimental memory of Tron, that to this day doesn't make sense often because it was written a million times. But the actors and actresses shouldn't be written off the screen for someone's whim, and for what it's worth, that's as important as the CGI.
These people had to weigh nostalgia vs the film they wanted to make, and the nostalgia factor comes in the form of Jeff Bridges, and the rumored Bruce Boxleitner cameo.
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No, I'll volunteer as a firefighter over there if I get to run the bulldozer though. hehe.
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 5:54 PM
Jademz Wrote:DaveTRON Wrote:
I understand the nostalgic need to see these old characters again, but the fact of the matter is that they are not necessary to this new film. |
I imagine you were say a WarGames fan.
David's (Matthew Broderick's) girlfriend (Ally Sheedy) into a future 20 years later role for a todays time, age, and civilization with a supercomputer every 2000 sq. miles, no it isn't necessary to have the original cast. Sure whatever. They were just highschool lovers, it would barely make sense to put her into the plot anyway. It's not like they made any sense to a gameplaying supercomputer in a movie after all.
Sure, his hot highschool girlfriend cleary isn't someone he's going to marry in the future right? it was only about every country on earth getting nuked by a kid playing games with a live missile defense system. No need for nostagia.
Just think of it this way. Their story should be fine, I'm not going to make any complaints..
But use the parallel I see here locally. You see a beautiful beach one day, there's a hurricane, the next day it's gone, and they backfill with this awful looking stuff. It looks like crap. My point? I have a sentimental memory of Tron, that to this day doesn't make sense often because it was written a million times. But the actors and actresses shouldn't be written off the screen for someone's whim, and for what it's worth, that's as important as the CGI.
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Jademz User
Posts: 0 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Wednesday, September, 02, 2009 6:53 PM
That's what's what.
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Traahn User
Posts: 3,301 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 1:44 AM
I just think it would be 'good form' to include the old main characters in the new movie. It would tip the hat to the old crew, and give long-time Tron fans a moment to rejoice in.
To not include Cindy, when they have Jeff and Bruce just doesn't make sense to me. If nothing else, even just a cameo where she's in one scene would be good form, imo. Similarly, I think David Warner and Dan Shor need to be in it, if they're willing, even just as cameos.
Assuming it wouldn't make sense in Tron Legacy's storyline to have Lora/Yori, Popcorn Guy/RAM and Dillinger/Sark's characters in the film, it'd be easy to give them the parts of non-focal point characters, such as fellow scientists that walk by or have one line in the lab or arcade, or whatever.
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retrorandy User
Posts: 220 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 3:12 AM
If you look at the example of Star Trek. After the original TV show a lot of the actors weren't well known or working much. Yet, they brought them ALL back because they made up the original main crew that was Star Trek.
We're not asking for Cindy Morgan to have a BIG role or to make a reunion movie, BUT she was part of the original TRON & should be brought back for this movie. It would have been easy to include her briefly as Alan's wife in the flashback scene taking place in the late 80's.
It's the fans (can you say TRON SECTOR!!!) love of the original that prompted this sequel to be made in the first place. Why Disney is alienating many of them by excluding Cindy Morgan from the sequel is mind boggling to me.
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Posts: 385 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 8:13 AM
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 12:56 PM
I know this question will come up at D23 next week, and I will look forward to hearing the official response in a public setting.
I don't agree that not having her in the film will alienate people. Disappoint, sure, but it isn't going to stop people from seeing the film or enjoying it if it's good.
I get the Star Trek comparison, but Star Trek has always been about that group of people. TRON was not about Yori/Lora, she was part of that particular story, but she wasn't one of the legs that made it stand up in my POV.
I'll miss Cindy and Dan in the film, but after everything I have seen and heard to date, I think I am going to love the new film too.
DaveTRON
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retrorandy User
Posts: 220 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 8:28 PM
This questions of why she's not at D23 celebrating the original TRON's digital debut with fans & why she isn't in TRON Legacy should come up. The only special guest they're having for the original TRON screening is director Steven Lisberger. You'd think from a better panel standpoint you'd want other people from the original cast to answer questions, mingle/take pictures, & sign autographs for the crowd.
I think without Lora/Yori a lot of things wouldn't have happened. A fan, Julie Maxwell explained it best,
"Julie Maxwell (Alderson-Broaddus) wrote
at 6:13am on March 14th, 2009
Why would they even consider NOT bringing her back? I always saw Flynn, Alan, and Lora (and Flynn, Tron, and Yori) as a team. The Three Musketeers of the computer geek world. It was Lora who made the laser. It was Lora who decided to go see Flynn because she figured it was probably him hacking into the system. It was Yori who programmed the solar sailor. She wasn't just a throwaway female love interest character, and I'm upset that she seems to be treated as such. She deserves to be in the sequel.
Plus, in my own personal canon, Alan and Lora got married, and Tron and Yori are still fighting side by side."
Not sure why there's a lack of loyalty to her after all that she's done in promoting and keeping the TRON franchise alive all these years.
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lurkinghorror User
Posts: 803 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 8:58 PM
From a writing perspective, if the story demands for the characters to be there, they should be there. If it doesn't, they shouldn't. I could see working in Lora and Alan. Yori... No. Ram, despite him being my favorite character... No.
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DaveTRON User
Posts: 5,314 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 10:37 PM
Randy,
All I can say is that I am a small part of the TRON part of the event at D23 (video/images for Lisberger's section), and having heard the reasoning for how they are doing it, I think they are right on. They have a message to present and story to tell and Yori/Lora isn't part of it. I think they have the tone right doing what they are doing. I know I won't convert you, so this is the last I will say on the subject.
DaveTRON
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retrorandy User
Posts: 220 | Re: Support for Cindy Morgan on Thursday, September, 03, 2009 11:21 PM
Well Dave,
I wish you luck at D23. Tell Lisberger thanks for being so loyal to his TRON cast. I'm certain the fans will enjoy the lack of the original actors being there, his talk, & recorded video/photos at the event. Hopefully, he will also explain how his input and influence has shaped the new TRON Legacy movie.
In the meantime Cindy's many fans and I will continue to stand by our friend and leading lady in the campaign to get her into TRON Legacy. We know Yori's still out there somewhere on the grid.
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