Well...back in Ye Olde Days of videogames, you could not beat the game (killscreens don't really count as an "ending" since they were not planned on). The game would just go on forever, and eventually you ran out of lives and it was game over.

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I always assumed that he was either coming back from some sort of Mission. Ya know, like not just conquering the ENCOM 511, but every other Electronic device/world out there.

achilles Wrote: Mr. Sinistar Wrote: WHY IS SARK IN THE ARCADE MACHINE, WHEN HE SHOULD BE PLAYING IN THE ENCOM MAINFRAME?! So what do you think the scene really means? remember... Dumont said: All that is visible must grow beyond itself, and extend into the realm of the invisible Dr. Gibbs said: Our spirit remains in every program we design the arcade machines didnt need to be connected to the mainframe. every copy of Sark in every machine is part of Dillinger's digital "soul". once youre on the other side youre on the other side. we only need LANs and WANs on our side - the "real" world.

Yeah, but Dillinger didn't write the lightcycle game, Flynn did. Therefore it should be Flynn in there not Sark...but I see that scene is really just to say to the audience that this is what programs have to put up with.abortion pills online abortion questions cytotec abortion

achilles Wrote: Mr. Sinistar Wrote: WHY IS SARK IN THE ARCADE MACHINE, WHEN HE SHOULD BE PLAYING IN THE ENCOM MAINFRAME?! So what do you think the scene really means? remember... Dumont said: All that is visible must grow beyond itself, and extend into the realm of the invisible Dr. Gibbs said: Our spirit remains in every program we design the arcade machines didnt need to be connected to the mainframe. every copy of Sark in every machine is part of Dillinger's digital "soul". once youre on the other side youre on the other side. we only need LANs and WANs on our side - the "real" world.

Mr. Sinistar Wrote: Yeah, but Dillinger didn't write the lightcycle game, Flynn did. Therefore it should be Flynn in there not Sark...but I see that scene is really just to say to the audience that this is what programs have to put up with.

Combining philosophy and math...

I'm going to brand this term transcendental function, since a user's intelligence, and inner being transposes to the program. This could be best explained by "Tron 2.0 the Continuation" author David1 - who wrote about when a user and a program are within proximity of each other - they both sense it. If a program is used by a one or more users that program absorbs it's user's image in the form of upgrades, or lack thereof.

The point is - when a stolen piece of code is absorbed by the MCP or Sark, it is now under control, and the copy of what the MCP does is imprinted to that arcade machine. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pill

KiaPurity Wrote: But however, we did see an early example of Internet in Tron and keep in mind, this was 1982. Internet surfaced in 1983 and its predecessor was Arpanet-- Now, Flynn had an Apple III (yes, I checked) and a modem with a phone attached in order to hack into the Encom servers. It makes sense that the Encom servers where MCP is likely housed is able to access corporate, government, and universities' servers thanks to the networking wonder! ...still not sure how an Arcade Machine would have networking abilities. Do any of the modern machines even have this?

I thought that some of the late 80s arcade machines had modems, not sure if it was to tell the vendor if they need service, or to do scoreboards, ect. I may be wrong though. it just seems to make sense. Maybe I wanted to make that when I was in an arcade, or saw a machine w/ a telephone line attached? IDK.
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Mr. Sinistar Wrote: 2) There a modem inside all of the lightcycle cabinets and they all communicate to ENCOM's mainframe. Sark probably came over on that cabinet as an order by the MCP in order to defeat the user playing the game...however why would Sark focus his time by playing against some "kid in a backroom"? He's has to conquer the entire computer world for the MCP!

Sorry, I must not have been paying attention, if I'm reading that correctly-

yea I guess that would mean what you are eluding to, that as a supercomputer program Sark could host the games from the encom facility.

Though it was presented as a game (stolen from flynn) to steal programs and indoctrinate them, disabling their ability to serve their user, unless the MCP needed them for his service - which was to take over systems.

The MCP stated that he infiltrated systems, in the movie that infrastructure existed in several countries, including the US.

So Kia made a good point about it's equivocal relevance. ...but I like certain parts of the mechanisms in the plot and characters just as much as the next guy...

But yes it is a good question Mr. Sinistar, and I think it's only reference is the chronology inside Encom, the experiments, and problem with the methodology which the MCP evolved, and now how the subtle plots could have new explanations. where to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

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achilles Wrote: bigbangbilly.exe Wrote: what ever is up there it does not compute srry kid i didnt survive this long by making everything obvious to everyone

I still can't tell if he's agreeing with you because appearance-wise he doesn't seem to communicate in english so that it's drawn out..

I wonder if he's any relation to BLIXX- someone from the boxhat.com days.

I'm a little late to the party, but here's my .02 cents.

I think this has been discussed once before here on TRON-Sector, a long time ago. The same problem was brought up. How can Sark be in the arcade game one minute, then back on the Encom mainframe the next?

Unfortunately, whoever wrote that part of the script somehow overlooked that problem. Or was just hoping no one would notice.

But since it's there, what conclusions can we reach to explain it?

I subscribe to this theory.

Every Light Cycle arcade cabinet was indeed networked to Encom, through a modem or similar. Maybe Encom innovated the idea of being able to update the game over time, to make improvements to it by downloading new code and data.

The person playing the game is the User, controlling the Light Cycle program on the grid. If the player is really good, eventually the game brings in the "boss" program once the player reaches a high enough level. That's when Sark downloads into the game from Encom and takes on the player.

Now, why the "boss" isn't already there from the start and why the original Sark program moves into the game rather than be copied, I can't really explain. (Maybe Encom needed more time to make a good "boss" opponent, and put in the download feature so they could send the completed boss later. Only, later the MCP ended up creating that boss instead.)

If Sark loses, that's the end of him. It would be much wiser to download a copy so there's no risk of losing him. Yet, later on Sark is "congratulated" by the MCP on his match that took place in the arcade game.

Maybe a copy did download, and later uploaded its experiences back to the original Sark? That they merged, somehow?

Yeah, it gives you a headache, doesn't it?

Funny enough, I remember when I used to ask these kinds of questions here on TRON-Sector long ago, I kind of got flamed for asking them. Life ain't fair.

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VRAM Wrote:TronFAQ, Mrs. Bonnie Macbird wrote that part alright and she did an extensive research on computers meeting none other than Alan Kay, THE 'computer guy' of the time fer Christ's sake! He was among the very first persons developing 'networked workstations' AND is now considered as the one 'reinventing programming'... There are no 'overlooked problems' in the script... but our own limited understanding and lack of vision regarding technology in fiction...

I have nothing to offer as far as the discussion of this scene goes but I just want to point out that in the interview that this thread is referencing, Bonnie says she didn't have anything to do with that sequence and therefore didn't write it.

See this thread for the interview with Bonnie.

VRAM Wrote: However, I have one thing to say regarding this interview: "I HAVEN'T READ MORE 'CONTRADICTIONS' IN A SINGLE INTERVIEW IN MY WHOLE LIFE"...

Although I have a hard time picturing and accepting Bonnie's vision of TRON, I don't think she's contradicting herself in this interview. What I understood was that her basic idea and story line (which is about as geeky and techy as you get, really) was originally written by her to be "funnier" "wittier", etc... than the version we know as TRON. Her script was sold to Diz who then had others rewrite and edit it. In other words, I don't think it was technical vs funny but just more funny added to the technical in her version. Now, I'm not sure I would have liked the direction that would have gone but who knows. I do know this - I definitely would not like Mork from Ork as a pizza delivery boy named Flynn who falls into a computer. That would have killed it for me right there.

Again, as for the first sequence, she didn't say that it wasn't worthy or too geeky, although she may think so and you can email her and ask, she said she had nothing to do with it and couldn't help with any information on it.

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