I prefer tangible storage media, so it will be a long while before I jump into the "pure digital" realm entirely.

The fact that I can put one of my old music tapes or CDs into a player and listen to them at any time, or watch an old home movie on VHS or DVD at any time I went is appealing. I still have my C64 with its 5.25" floppies; my old Amiga 500 with 3.5" diskettes; old Dreamcast with discs; etc. The fact that those won't "crash" on me like a hard drive can is appealing. Granted, they're not permanent storage media, but they've held up well for 20 years so far... and I can transfer them to hard drive if I really wanted to (for extra protection). I can transport them, I can store them, I can always have easy access to them because they are tangible, and I love that. If I had my Nintendo 64 still I would want the cartridges in-hand so I could pop Turok, Goldeneye or Zelda in at any time.

With the PS3, I have a 60GB hard drive. I'm constantly deleting stuff from it that I'd rather keep a little longer just so I can load new stuff onto it. So unless you have tons of storage, and are willing to keep adding more and more storage, it becomes a constant "what do I keep/what do I delete" conundrum when dealing with strictly digital media.

If I only had MP3s for my music and my hard disk crashed, well, c'est la vie. But having CDs in-hand, I have a constant backup of my songs.

If I purchase and download a movie, song, video game, etc. and I later lose that data, or want to temporarily uninstall it... what do I do? Worry about making a backup somewhere (on DVD or flash drive?) or completely get rid of it and hope the company is still around for me to download; and if they're still around hope they'll let me re-download it for free because I purchased it once. I'd rather not risk it. I already do on occassion through the PS3 when I download a TV show or video game (that I can download 5 times max)... but I'm fearful of doing it for very much media. If I have my PS3 20 years from now, I'd rather have my games on a blu-ray disc rather than on a hard drive or flash drive somewhere. It just seems a more permanent and portable storage for me. And if I want to take a game to a friend's house, all I have to do is take the disc with me, so it's nicely portable. (Don't have to worry about downloading to flash drive, uploading from, etc.)

And these are a few reasons why I like Blu-Ray. With 40GB or 50GB of storage in a 'portable disc' and 1080p resolution, I take Blu-ray as the next generation of media and don't think it's stillborn. Maybe I'm too 'old school' for wanting tangible media, but Blu-ray has served its purpose well for me and will continue to do so for a long time to come. I feel HD-DVD was stillborn since its storage amount was only a step, not a leap above regular DVDs.

A disc is a disc in that regards. A hard drive might crash, and the DVD might fail. Neither has the advantage in regards to longevity. That's why I do favor legal back-ups of media.

SuperScooby Wrote: lurkinghorror Wrote:A disc is a disc in that regards. A hard drive might crash, and the DVD might fail. Neither has the advantage in regards to longevity. That's why I do favor legal back-ups of media. Legal backups of media that the MPAA and RIAA are always trying to thwart you mean (backing up to hard drives, etc.), as well as those supposed legal backup companies that get shut down so frequently? Those just aren't that reliable and many times can degrade quality with degredation that isn't seen immediately. I'll take the original dvd or bluray disc over those 'other' types of supposed legal backups any day. Reminds me of the current joke that is streaming media. Why would I want to settle for a 320kb amazon, rhapsody rip when I can just buy the CD and then use my discretion to decide when and where I am willing to sacrifice quality (on my older smaller capacity devices, etc.). Overpriced CD's come to mind of course, and that is the catch 22 of current state. Do I buy the best quality CD copy of the song and pay for the extra songs I hate, or settle for the inferior 320kb single track download?

You have a nasty habit of responding to threads weeks after the discussion appears over.

Your comments about the RIAA and MPAA aren't relevant. The claims of degradation of a digital file do not match up with any of the facts I am familiar with.

As high speed internet become faster and more commonplace, downloading blu-ray quality movies to a media center will become more commonplace. No disc required, no loss of quality that you fear.

Blu-ray remains the last gasp of the dinosaur that is physical media. As a standard, it won't last long.
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SuperScooby Wrote: Can you send me a legal link right now that will allow me to do the same thing?

I'm sorry, I was unaware I needed to prove anything to you. I should have guessed you're carrying a chip on your shoulder, what with the way you dragged my name into a conversation months after the fact with the asinine suggestion that because I disagree with investing in dead technology I'm somehow technologically backwards.

Here's what I said to you weeks ago: "Remember, you brought my name up in a long dead discussion and attempted to suggest I'm living in the stone age. You have a preference? Fine. Great for you. It's rather obvious I am willing to wait. You're not. Okay. Why bring me into it now?"

What part of "You have a preference? Fine." are you having difficulty with?

So do us both a favor and drop your petty crusade.

SuperScooby Wrote: You know, you could have just said no, you can't send a link. Why? Because one doesn't exist yet, and it will more than likely be a long time before it does. So. yes, you can wait for everything to be digital, or you can get bluray and take advantage of what it has to offer. Not really a big deal at all. If you don't like the tech, fine, don't get it. You have no obligation to. And remember, you dragged yourself into this whole crusade first by getting upset at me when I dogged the Xbox360. This was a thread that was about Tron on bluray that you turned into a console war thread. I was just stearing it back to the subject which was Tron on bluray, then you started saying how bluray sucked. I and many others happen to disagree. We are looking forward to the release on bluray, so let's just leave it at that. thanks. Here, go play some Lemmings while waiting for the all digital transition to happen: http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/

hah, fun game. Thanks

Like I mentioned previously, go play some Lemmings:

http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
I don't mind re-investing in Tron on bluray because it is a fantastic film and the bluray release will up the resolution to 1920x1080. To me that's worth it, for you, it's not.

"You just do what it looks like your supposed to be doing, no matter how crazy it seems."

lurkinghorror Wrote: SuperScooby Wrote: I don't mind re-investing in Tron on bluray because it is a fantastic film and the bluray release will up the resolution to 1920x1080. To me that's worth it, for you, it's not. Thank you for repeating what I said to you a month ago. Maybe now you will stop bringing this back up.

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I was one of those unlucky saps who got an HD-DVD player and I still don't have BR. But with BR player prices finally coming down, I would be more tempted to get one if Tron were brought over to it. With that and Star Trek I'd be a happy camper.

In the meantime, watching Tron upconverted to HD looks really good. I wasn't sure how the old CG would appear but I think it looks great and when it's finally done in HD I'm sure it will be even better. abortion pills online abortion pill online purchase cytotec abortion

I do wonder if Bluray will ever catch up with DVDs - with the lower prices it certainly helps and with enough content it's possible. I can't say I'm excited about the possibility of download only boxes but it seems like that's the way they are taking it.

I would not be surprised if they hold off on Tron until next year now. As long as they master it right and add a bunch of cool extras then I can live with my 20th anniversary edition for now. By then I should have a BR player at least. order abortion pill abortion pill buy online where to buy abortion pillwhere to buy abortion pill http://blog.bitimpulse.com/template/default.aspx?abortion-types buy abortion pill online

SuperScooby, please stop making comments against lurkinghorror. I'm going to close this thread if this doesn't stop.

EDIT: Just wanna add my opinion on this "debate". We should be happy (and consider ourselves lucky) that Tron got a 20th anniversary DVD release with all those awesome special features, whereas many other movies (such as The Black Hole, for example) have not.