Daddyo Wrote:and found out those guys (take two) are all corrupt, either getting kicked out of the company by investors and facing fines/jail time, so I'm not touching it, thought it'd be interesting to note.

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All good points, MutoidMan. I bow to your logic.

Qix77 Wrote:First off.... Why the hell isn't this thread about Bioshock?

Bio... what?

To broke to buy it. Maybe for my birthday (tomorrow!). Though what I'm really hoping for is Two Worlds, provided it's been released.

DaveTRON Wrote:Admittedly, there are situations where DRM and Copy Supression are used in an over-the-top fashion. Bioshock may be that type of case...

I have to completely agree with DaveTRON regarding copy protection.

Dang, I had no idea that piracy played that large a role in TRON 2.0's commercial failure. What would've happened if all of those thieves had paid for their copies, I wonder. Would we have gotten an expansion pack? I guess we'll never know. Idiots.

Bottom line, you gotta pay if you wanna play. Otherwise, what is the impetus of the people making these games? They have to eat too, you know.

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DaveTRON Wrote:I owned a copy of Copy-II-PC (Still have it actually)

I actually think I still have that program on a disk somewhere, too. Man, how times have changed!

In 1991 when I started at Disney Software one of the questions we asked was "Where did you purchase your copy of the game?", why? Because people would say, "Oh, I got it from my neighbor, it was too expensive to buy." Yet they wanted f***ing customer support for something they STOLE!!!!

I hate those kinds of idiots, who have the nerve to ask for help even though they know they stole the game. (And then to top it off, they're even stupid enough to admit it.) We've had that here on Tron-Sector, as well. I really sympathize with the game publishers, in this type of situation.

It's this kind of passive piracy done by normal people who ought to know better that sucks. I used to be one of them. I still catch myself doing things I shouldn't like downloading music I have never purchased. I even need to stop myself. If I play it, or listen to it, or read it, and enjoyed it, then the people who made it are due their money.

We've all done it, and anyone who claims they haven't is lying. I admit I've done it in the past as well. But as I've gotten older, and seen how the industry is going, I've started supporting publishers by buying my games. I bought Tron 2.0 at full price when it came out, and I bought the more expensive limited edition of Bioshock. Because I don't want games on the PC to disappear.

Get me started on my views on Trialware sometime. I had a plan that I really think would have worked, and got laughed out of a room. I even know a company that wants to do it, but they can't get in a door to sell it in. Good ideas get stomped.

That's the kind of insight I was afraid to hear. It's a shame that corporate suits generally don't listen to their employees' suggestions.

lurkinghorror Wrote:I actually meant the device itself. The Ipod can only be a authorized only on a limited number of machines.

Wow, I had no idea. (I've never used an iPod.) And people actually don't mind that crap? Yikes.

Pirating is hurting the smaller industries more (in a manner of speaking) because they have such a small profit margin to begin with. And how exactly do we put copy protection on a comic book? So it's becoming a smaller and smaller market. What can we do though?

You're right, and sadly there really isn't anything you can do about it, either. It hurts when you create a product that's only about the cost of a cup of really good coffee, and people still feel the need to steal it.

Qix77 Wrote:This is what make me proud to be a sector member.... it's because WE GET IT... I love this sort of mature debate because we all can get into it and leave without harsh feelings..

It's true. Generally, the members here are mature enough to respect each other's opinions without descending into a childish, profanity-laden flame war.

You would not believe the crap I've been reading on the official 2K message board, in the Bioshock forums. Where people are arguing for and against the copy protection, and whether the 360 or PC is better. It's really unbelievable. People cursing at each other, making up total bullshit to support their side of the argument . . . it's sickening.

Daddyo Wrote:I noticed how Bioshock seems like such a popular thing to discuss, so checked out their stock, and found out those guys (take two) are all corrupt, either getting kicked out of the company by investors and facing fines/jail time, so I'm not touching it, thought it'd be interesting to note.

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Daddyo Wrote: TronFAQ Wrote: Daddyo Wrote:I noticed how Bioshock seems like such a popular thing to discuss, so checked out their stock, and found out those guys (take two) are all corrupt, either getting kicked out of the company by investors and facing fines/jail time, so I'm not touching it, thought it'd be interesting to note. I have to agree with Boingo. You shouldn't completely associate the developer with the publisher, and deny yourself a game title because of that. If that was the case, then you shouldn't be playing Tron 2.0 either! (Har har. Sorry, had to get that one in.) Irrational is a really passionate studio that wants to make great games. And up until the release, 2K was actually doing a pretty good job with handling Bioshock. But then they botched and fumbled the release, badly. Didn't mean to sound like the programmers were corrupt, or that I wouldn't buy the game because of publisher activity, only that investors beware...

As someone who just signed on with 2K Games today, I can tell you that they are not 'all corrupt'. That was a specific instance with specific people who were terminated over it. The company is bouncing back nicely or I wouldn't want to go work there starting October 1st.

IF you don't know the truth, it's better to say nothing at all.
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Qix77 Wrote:Any thoughts on this?

That's actually more or less what Divx was, that I was talking about earlier in the thread. Needing to get permission to play a movie disc, when it expires after 48 hours. Having to use your credit card to pay for the right to keep using the disc, and the player receives a signal over the phone line that unlocks it again.

It's been tried once already, and failed miserably. But I expect someone to try again one day.


By the way . . . I can now report that the new SecuROM protection on Bioshock has been cracked. Less than two weeks after the game's release.

Got Bioshock for my 360 3 days ago and completed it.

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Nowadays on some cracks they are easy to do with some research behind it. I remember hearing about that as well Qixx7. Even for Copy protected music that you could not copy. I do not remember which show it was from the US. But they had one guy show that they had even used a marker of some sort colouring with i as well that bypassed the copy protection or something to that effect. I do not remember exactly for what. And they had no problem playing the game or listening to the music.

Qix77 Wrote: TronFAQ Wrote: Qix77 Wrote:Any thoughts on this? That's actually more or less what Divx was, that I was talking about earlier in the thread. Needing to get permission to play a movie disc, when it expires after 48 hours. Having to use your credit card to pay for the right to keep using the disc, and the player receives a signal over the phone line that unlocks it again. It's been tried once already, and failed miserably. But I expect someone to try again one day. By the way . . . I can now report that the new SecuROM protection on Bioshock has been cracked. Less than two weeks after the game's release. Woops.. Sorry I missed the post, this thread flooded rather quickly.. The CrackerJacks (as I use to call them back in my c64 days) always finds a way around copy protection. The host of RetroGamingRadio a while back talked in detail of the history of copy protection for the C64 and how things didn't really seem to change all that much in terms of method.

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