Nothing to do with anything, but speaking of Kim Possible...I would just like to point out here that I find it amusing what the name of that recurring girl-ninja character on it, is. You want to know what her name is?

...Yori!

Seriously! (Well, it _is_ a real Japanese name, but...why that one in particular?! :P)
I took a screenshot of her and, amusingly, in this particular shot she's wearing all white and--because of moonlight coming from behind her--appears to even kinda have a blue glow...(then again everything in this shot does.)

I'm sure everybody else already knew that, but I thought it was funny. Ceasing output operations...

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TronFAQ Wrote: Clavet Wroteisney never knew how to properly market Tron, they didn't know then and they don't know now. They'll just sit on it until Kingdom Come. Maybe they'll do a 50 year special when everybody who seen it in theatres is dead. Sounds about right, sadly. Disney has an opportunity with the comic to cross-promote other Tron products, by placing an ad in the comic. They could have a one-page ad on the back cover or something, for the Disney Store: where they could highlight all the Tron products available. The DVD, CD, Games, Statues, Pins, etc. But do they do it? No. They don't have a clue on how to market it properly. I guess they just don't care. And why isn't the comic sold in the Disney Store? Duh!

Back in my days on the licence I did ask about the comic to be sold in Disney stores and the answer was no.

I was never given an official explanation but it mainly had to do with a lack of interest. Like someone said they didn't do it for their own magazines.

They would have had to spend time to set something like Tron comics in Disney stores, in corporate language it means "more ressource allocation" to a dying property, the numbers didn't add up for them.

I was never told that the comic would need change or modifications if the comics were to go in Disney stores, I was simply told it was not possible from any angle.

I did ask the contact for Monolith, which led to a ad for the comic in the Tron 2.0 Brady Games guide. That was the extent of cross-promotion availability.

Anyway just go to any big comic news websites (like newsarama.com) and see the fan interest in Tron comics, it's a flatline.

The fault is not SLG's, they do a bang-up job. Tron is alone against a sea of merchandising that benefit from massive marketing ressources and cross-promotions.

There is only 2 ways Tron can come back to life.

1. Internally : Someone influencial at Disney proposing a major push to develop the franchise. Improbable but possible.

2. Externally : Somone want to buy a licence for a Tron 2.0 sequel (or a totally new game) that will also make a deal with a toy maker to have figurines of the game characters. This was already done, but utlimately failed. Why ? PC. IN today's market you can develop a game thinking of PC as your first market. You need to think consoles.

Tron 2.0 never succeeded its move over consoles, the game was not as good, console gamers not getting into the game complicated "unlocking" and techno-bable. Too much thinking, not enough action. And when they made their final push they made it look like Tron-in-Halo gear. It had morphed into something it could not be.

Tron needs to go back to its roots.

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Argh . . . I didn't want to continue the (somewhat) off-topic discussion. But I feel compelled to respond to your latest message, Sebastien.

Clavet Wrote:They would have had to spend time to set something like Tron comics in Disney stores, in corporate language it means "more ressource allocation" to a dying property, the numbers didn't add up for them.

Yeah, that's exactly what I figured. Pretty short-sighted thinking.

I did ask the contact for Monolith, which led to a ad for the comic in the Tron 2.0 Brady Games guide. That was the extent of cross-promotion availability.

See, that's just sad. Way to go, Disney.

The fault is not SLG's, they do a bang-up job. Tron is alone against a sea of merchandising that benefit from massive marketing ressources and cross-promotions.

Yup, exactly. That's my point. Other properties have a marketing push behind them. Tron does not at all. Never really has, unless you count the DVD.

1. Internally : Someone influencial at Disney proposing a major push to develop the franchise. Improbable but possible.

This is the only way I can see Tron really coming back in a big way. The interest has to come from within Disney itself.

This was already done, but utlimately failed. Why ? PC. IN today's market you can develop a game thinking of PC as your first market. You need to think consoles.

Sorry, but I disagree here. It wasn't the platform that was the problem.

PC users are exactly the audience they needed to target first. They are generally older, and actually happen to remember the film. Of course, consoles can't be ignored. But console owners were not the place to start.

I remember when the demos for Tron 2.0 were released. And let me tell you . . . not only did the listing of game servers stretch past the bottom of the screen, but those servers were packed. PACKED! You were lucky to get a free spot to play. Interest in the game was considerable.

Also, during its first week of release, the game placed #2 on the PC game sales chart. Only Microsoft Flight Simulator sold better. That's right, number 2! It beat out The Sims, Warcraft III, Madden NFL 2004, Diablo II, and Star Wars Galaxies.

But now we come to the part of this post, entitled "how to fumble a franchise". Instead of seizing upon the early success of the game, and providing good support and additional content . . . BVG did virtually nothing.

The tech support people rarely posted in the game's forum or answered questions. The terms to upload a user-made map were draconian (basically: if you upload it, we now own it). The editing tools and documentation were terrible. There was a lack of advertising. Multiplayer was somewhat weak, and the update that added Deathmatch came too late. Not to mention it "required" XP. The warning that you could not play Light Cycles over the internet was misleading.

The list of screwups goes on and on.

Tron 2.0 never succeeded its move over consoles, the game was not as good, console gamers not getting into the game complicated "unlocking" and techno-bable. Too much thinking, not enough action. And when they made their final push they made it look like Tron-in-Halo gear. It had morphed into something it could not be.

Releasing at the same time as Halo 2, and trying to pass itself off as a Halo clone, is what killed it. Like you said, they were trying to turn it into something it wasn't. Promoting the game as a Halo clone is one of the most bone-headed decisions I have ever seen.

And frankly, I see history repeating itself AGAIN. Disney is not supporting the comic as it should. It's being left up to the fans to get the word out, that there's a Tron comic on the market. They should be doing their part, but they are sitting on their butts and doing nothing except collecting the lice

Pulsewoman: I wish to see the screenshot, or know what scene this is.

Regarding Tron...
I have a feeling the people who were 12 years old when they first watched Tron in 1982 will soon become execs at Disney or other media firms and work to bring the franchise back.

Clavet Wrote:However ALL praises and good comments was coming from the PC world, console gamers might have been interested but got nothing to feed upon. Not tending to the need of the console world was, imo, what killed the game, it killed the momentum, etc.

I agree to a point. You're right when you say that the release should have been simultaneous. That would have definitely helped.

In a previous post I meant you CAN'T developp a game only for the PC market unless you have a very very very very good reason to do so.

Crysis could be made for the Xbox 360, but Crytek has decided not to. I don't know all the reasons behind the decision, but somehow I don't think Crysis is going to fail as a result. Again, it's not really the platform. It's the nature of the game and how it is sold and marketed.

Tron 2.0 website was GORGEOUS, why it was shut-down is still a mystery to me.

I honestly think it was out of spite. That, and to cover up the embarrassing way they handled the game. They want to forget it ever happened, pretend it doesn't exist. Instead of learning from their mistakes, they just bury them.

Face it folks, Tron 2.0 was left to die alone, the decision makers suddenly left while the boat sank slowly into oblivion.

Yup.

And, as much as it pains me to say this, I feel the same is happening with the comic.

I actually think it's doing remarkably well, taking everything into account. But it could be doing even better if Disney would just lift a finger to promote it a little. Put it in the Disney Store, place a few ads. How much could all of this possibly cost? A few thousand dollars? Is that really going to kill them?

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yes/no/yes/no Wrote:Where should I start if I'm interested in reading more about the tron universe?

Issue #1
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Sark _was_ cool. And you can't keep a good program down, entirely. Sure, things are different now, but ever hear of...upgrades?

As for Jet...hmmm...I have to say, that thought _had_ crossed my mind, too. Not to be evil or anything, but...well...? And 1982 is a little early for him to be _born_, considering that I got the impression that Alan and Lora hadn't been together for all that long yet, in the movie. And being a Disney movie, I'm sure they'd get married before...
(Also, this brings up the question of: Was Lora _pregnant_ during the movie, then? She didn't look it. I guess if it was California and the movie took place in January, then Jet could've still been born in December with a month or so left over for Alan and Lora to tie the knot, but...)

I would've placed his birthday in like '83, maybe. Would've side-stepped a lot of awkward questions. :P In my own fanfic "continuity" (what there is of it) they didn't get married until '84...for some reason I'm not sure why I wrote it, now...anyway, that definitely clashes with the Tron 2.0 continuity. Jet is wiped out of existence in my storyline, by the timing. Poor boy.
But then, I did write it in 1998. (shrug)

Okay. Sorry. I had to say something--DoctorClu here just said out loud something _I_ had been wondering for a bit, too. And I know I can't be the only one who thought that, especially when we heard that Jet's birthday was the SAME year as the movie...
(Unless the movie wasn't supposed to be taking place in its own year, maybe 1981 or something instead? Hmm.)

The bottom line, however, is: Jet LOOKS like Alan. So, yeah. Maybe he just hung out with nutty ol' "Uncle" Flynn too much as a child and picked up some of his bad habits. That boy is just a bad influence!

I haven't read the comic (yet), but I agree with DoctorClu's assessment of the character, from what he's like in Tron 2.0. Afraid of technology? I can see where he'd be a smidge leery of standing in front of a laser after that, but otherwise...I like to think he'd be (like Flynn) perhaps a bit shaken and weirded out by the experience, sure. But, if given enough time to fully acclimatize back to the real world, assimilate the memories into deep storage, etc., he'd be able to go back in there, derezz butt and take filenames.
I don't think you could go back in right _away_. At least, I couldn't. It's pretty in there, yeah, but DISTURBING, with how freaking easy it is to die at a moment's notice. But I think Jet could eventually be calm enough about it to go back in, with confidence. He's not one that would remain _permanently_ shell-shocked by it.

And they killed Alan? HEY! I _like_ Alan! Now I'm not sure if I wanna read this...it'd upset me too much...

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I am not gonna lie. I did NOT like the art in issue 3. I felt that it really deviated from the first two issues tremendously. Doesn't mean it was a bad issue or anything, but I hope the art improves in the next issue.on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill online

And frankly, I see history repeating itself AGAIN. Disney is not supporting the comic as it should. It's being left up to the fans to get the word out, that there's a Tron comic on the market. They should be doing their part, but they are sitting on their butts and doing nothing except collecting the licensing fee.

Just my two cents: At all the comic shops around my county (there are three Sky High, Comics 'n Stuff, and another one whose name I can't remember at the moment), the comic #3 was completely sold out day 2. The second shipment also sold out. I had to get the guy at Sky High to special order the damn thing for me.

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I enjoyed the art in Issue 1 best so far, too.