You know, I can't believe how anal the people who maintain Wikipedia pages can be sometimes.

Seems there's a new policy that pages should not link to fan sites any more. They're not "relevant" enough, I guess. So, for example, the link to Tron-Sector on the Tron film page was removed. I expect the same to happen to the Tron 2.0 page soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(film)
This, to me, makes absolutely no sense. If people are looking for information on Tron, what is wrong with listing other sites that can contain more detailed information than what the wikipedia page can provide? Just because they're "fan" sites?

Stupid.

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CyberBlade Wrote: Wiki isnt a public service and never has been since 2004.

Wow... "never" only goes back to 2004?

redrain85 Wrote:EDIT: Haha, what do you know. Someone put the link back. Thanks to whomever did that. I would have done it myself, but it's nice to see someone else agrees.

Well, I saw that someone tried to put a link to TRON-Sector on there, but it wasn't done correctly and didn't show up, so I corrected the link and modified the text a little.

But I'm not sure which other links were removed or missing. Probably best for a volunteer to become a member there and monitor the TRON film page - JUST to make sure no one messes with Wiki's entry of TRON.

redrain85 Wrote:I'm going to download the software that assists in editing Wikipedia pages, and start monitoring the Tron pages more closely. Since I didn't create the pages, I think I'm going to be in for some potentially huge battles. But I'm willing to represent the fan sites in this matter.

Excellent!

I'd hate to think you're going to have to do battle, but if that happens and you feel things are being treated unfairly, you keep us well informed here. You're not alone either. I think it's safe to say you'll have the support of TRON-Sector, Boxhat and many other TRON fan sites behind you. My apologies for knowing the two off the top of my head.

This may prove to make an interesting article for TRON-Sector's main page - one that many TRON fans may be very interested in learning about.

Let's hope there is nothing to have to blow the cover on though. I'd rather TRON and resources there of just be treated fairly there.

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Actually, you don't need to look far to discover the identity of "theplanetsaturn".

The trick is, the listing of Tron Sector IS the compromise. I've been fighting for it's inclusion for over a week, as people who seem to believe themselves to be self appointed Wikipedia guardians keep removing it with the argument that "we don't link to fansites". I've repeatedly readded the link while citing the ACTUAL rules of Wikipedia. That rule being: "According to Wikipedia: External Links "On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate, marking the link as such."

I removed the description for two reasons. One: The entire link can be removed under the justification of "advertising". And after some of my previous conflicts with those behind the blanket deletion, I would not be surprised if that approach was attempted. And two, the fact that the link is there at all basically implies that Tron Sector is THE Tron fansite.

So basically, I'm trying to maintain a neutral position. Arguing for the link, but allowing a compromise by listing it specifically as the Wikipedia guidelines allow.

I've actually had quite a runaround with some of the people who like to practice the blanket deletion of information on that page. Support from the Sector would be most welcome.

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TheReelTodd Wrote:WE fight for TRON!

Some of us fight for the MCP, Throne, FCon or are independant, you insensitive clod!

...oh, you mean the movie, right. Now I feel like an idiot.

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Traahn Wrote:Any time there is information, jurisdiction or some other thing to control, and someone or some people feel they should control or rule said things, there will be power struggles and attempted displays of power. Thus, we have wars. Both at the global level, and the internet Wikipedia level. Pretty sad.

Yes, sad but true.

Unfortunately, everyone seems to "know" (note the quotes) how everyone else should live their life, or how they should do things, or just how things aught to be, period. There are those who take a moment to understand people with opposing views and different opinions. And there are those who seek to control opinion and even knowledge. I generally refer to the latter as politicians.

Sounds like I need to add that page to my watchlist, as well.

I've revived this thread because I see that the struggle to keep Tron-Sector listed a a fan site, continues on the Wikipedia Tron film article.

I still can't believe what a bunch of anal martinets the moderators are, who are maintaining the article. Instead of taking the intent of the rules into consideration, they're following them as literally as possible. And somehow the mention and linkage of Tron-Sector has been deemed not worth inclusion. It has "nothing to offer" you see.

So I guess that means everything on Tron-Sector can be found in the Wikipedia article then. Photos, interviews, discussions that are relevant to Tron . . . those are all part of the Wikipedia article, are they?

I'm probably going to jump into the discussion there, but it seems to be a losing battle. I see Lurkinghorror has been arguing back and forth with them for the longest time. It's gotten simply ridiculous.