Feeling rather stupid right now...
When you refer to Syd Mead's "instructions", are you refering to the couple of notes he left on his numerals sketching above, or are there more explicit notes somewhere in the system?

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wwwmwww Wrote:The first logo appeared on cast and crew clothing as seen here: http://www.tron-sector.com/gallery/show.aspx?ID=928

I've always wondered about this font. What's the story on it? Was it intended to be temporary from the beginning, only for use in pre-production? Or was this originally the font that was actually meant to be used, but plans suddenly changed?

I just remember to check this typeface out again... look very familar yes? Follows sort of the same rules SYD set up. It is by a designer named Nando Costa.

One thing I strived for is to make the font legible, so that it could be used as a TrueType font and people would still be able to read. Although Nando's font is pretty stylish, I feel the designs are too abstract to be functional for a font -- if the font is designed to be readable.

Feeling rather stupid right now... When you refer to Syd Mead's "instructions", are you refering to the couple of notes he left on his numerals sketching above, or are there more explicit notes somewhere in the system?

Yes, I'm referring only to the instructions he noted on his numerals sketch, and observing the patterns used in those numerals, and the word TRON.

Carl,

I sort of like the 1/2 block take out it adds a little more jazz to the set. What do you think? should iI remove it? What do you think on the E & F? If we get rid on the 1/2 block edit the E & F could have a flat top like the org. TRON.ttf

zook_one Wrote:I sort of like the 1/2 block take out it adds a little more jazz to the set.

To be honest a part of me likes it too. I just don't think it was present in Syd's original font.

zook_one Wrote:What do you think? should iI remove it?

Well its your font and it does add something I agree. I guess I'd say leave it. We just can't call it Syd's font but then again non of us can until his font surfaces.

zook_one Wrote:What do you think on the E & F? If we get rid on the 1/2 block edit the E & F could have a flat top like the org. TRON.ttf

Personally I rather like your E and F. Mine which I'm about to post I did a bit differently but I really like yours too. Your Q bothers me a bit as all the other letters and numbers that contain part of a circle either have 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, or a whole circle and the circle is always cut along a horizontal or a vertical. Your Q has 7/8 of a circle and one cut is along a diagonal.

How can the E and F have a flat top without the 1/2 block edit? I'm not seeing it.

Here are 3 attempts I just took a shot at. What do you think?




Carl

redrain85 Wrote:I've always wondered about this font. What's the story on it? Was it intended to be temporary from the beginning, only for use in pre-production? Or was this originally the font that was actually meant to be used, but plans suddenly changed?

The impression I was under was that it was intended to be the actual logo for the movie. Who ever made it, it may have been Syd as far as I know, made it an Ambigram (read the same unsidedown as rightsideup). As such it really wouldn't make a very good font. Its only an Ambigram if you are spelling the word TRON. I think at some point in the production Syd made his font for use in the Light Cycle arena and enough people (or the right people) prefered his new font over the Ambigram so things were changed. DaveTRON was the first to point me to the Ambigram. It's talked about briefly here:

http://www.tron-sector.com/forums/default.aspx?do=top&id=271205
Dave do you have any more info or corrections to the above?

Carl

Jayce Wrote:Greetings, Programs! Even though, as was mentioned earlier, a Tron font might not be true since some letters intersect the space of others, don't you all think it would still be cool to be able to type with such a font? End of line.

Jayce, I wont be able to get my copy of fontographer to work on XP so I'm going to have to wait to drop the coin on a new Font Creation program. I've been playing around with fontlabs software. I did my designs in CAD so it will be easy to cut and paste them to create a usable font. Maybe I'll get my license for TypeTool 2 next month...


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Jayce Wrote:[Personally, I don't quite have a grasp of his font rule just yet.]

Well here is my take on the "rules". This is just my interpretation of Syd's notes and how he applied them to make the numerals.

Lets start with the grid I used to make my font. It looks like this:


With this grid and the fill function in paint I can make all my letters. In making a letter or numeral there are basically just 2 shapes you can use. A quarter circle or a right triangle.


Each can be rotated by 90, 180, or 270 degrees and can be translated as long as it snaps to the 4x4 grid. Here is an example of the quarter circle (arc) being rotated.


and an example of pieces of arc being translated.


Now back to zook_one's point. If it weren't for the 6 and the 9 I'd say these basic shapes couldn't be overlapped, however it does look like the arcs can overlap the triangles. I would however say two triangles can't overlap. Two can be placed together to fill one of the smaller squares but the shape generated by the overlap (seen here in gray) I don't believe is allowed.


Likewise I don't believe 2 arcs can overlap. Aside from this overlapping rule you can use as many triangles and arcs as you'd like.

Atleast that's my interpretation of the rules.
Carl

Greetings, Programs!

zook_one,

Wow. CAD. Computer Aided (Assisted?) Design. Right? I haven't heard about that program since I used to talk with a friend about his study of architecture (Billy is a fellow American I met while we were English teachers in Japan). This was maybe as far back as 1997, although I'm sure CAD is even older than that.

I'm glad to hear CAD is still being used. I wonder how many generations the software has gone through by now. I have never used it myself. I have spent more of my life writing (screenplays, etc.) or sketching with pencil (or pen) on paper. Seeing the stuff you guys (and gals) do here with the software you own is incredible.

I still have to successfully download the Tron font found in Tron-Sector's archives but, if you are willing to share your font, as well, whenever you might complete it, I would be most obliged.

It'd be fun to send letters to people in Tron font both via e-mail & traditional paper mail. Snail-mail may make a comeback. How ironic would that be?

wwwmwww / Carl,

That has got to be one of the most elegant explanations I've ever seen and read. Ha, ha. Thanx for visualizing it out for me (and other Tron fans). I think I may actually have a handle of it now. Your grid definitely makes the rules tangible. As we say in Hawai'i, Mahalo (Thank you)!

Best wishes,
Jayce

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